But I'm for it. At least, it creates a demand which can help spur the economy.



and they are 100% effective in allowing leftist to feel like they are better people..... sooo...we all want them to feel good about themselves

A simple analogy
A friend of mine had a bar. He had a rule, no hats. I asked him, why that.
He said you have to have a rule and it's a pretty easy way to tell apart the people who can and will follow rules from those that you don't want around.

Great, name one.

How many do you want? And make no mistake, I am not saying I agree with his study. I'm saying, I have no way to tell if it's flawed.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/data-do-not-back-cloth-masks-limit-covid-19-experts-say

Asked and answered. Can you show me the same courtesy? Name one meaningful issue, on which you think democrats are wrong. Or admit you're a rabid, blind, thoughtless, partisan.

Trumptard polytechnics institute
And
Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born #^&#^&#^&#^&em they are on there own superpac foundation
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"Trumptard"

Nice, making fun of people with Downs.

"Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born "

Except the data shows that's 100% false.

Didn't the study come from Trump University?

National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

More examples of conservatives claiming no consensus..

Any and every topic they use the same talking point theirs no consensus


Then post their sources articles from Denmark as see they dont work
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National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2020/04/effectiveness-of-homemade-fabric-masks-to-protect-others-from-spread-of-covid-19-examined-in-new-rapid-response-to-government-from-standing-committee-on-emerging-infectious-diseases

This study was about home made masks

Here we go a mask is a mask . Comparing homemade to N95
Then claming masks dont work. Amazing
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https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2020/04/effectiveness-of-homemade-fabric-masks-to-protect-others-from-spread-of-covid-19-examined-in-new-rapid-response-to-government-from-standing-committee-on-emerging-infectious-diseases

This study was about home made masks

Have another link?
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Are you honestly unaware of data showing that masks aren't effective? You think it's all made up? Given the way your side fabricates things non stop, I guess I can see where you might think everyone does that.

Here you go. Again, I do not agree with these studies. I'm just saying I'm aware they exist, and the pose some questions...

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/scientists-tested-14-types-of-masks-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ6SWBQ5hfJB4A2BpXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9 zAzUEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1603843073/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2ffee.org%2farticles%2fnew-study-casts-more-doubt-on-effectiveness-of-masks-in-preventing-covid-19-spread%2f/RK=2/RS=b7EgkDe3OTCFfNjMcwUS6kGKiEo-

https://fee.org/articles/europes-top-health-officials-say-masks-arent-helpful-in-beating-covid-19/

How many do you want?

How many do you want? And make no mistake, I am not saying I agree with his study. I'm saying, I have no way to tell if it's flawed.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/data-do-not-back-cloth-masks-limit-covid-19-experts-say

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now. Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do. As an aside my sister knows the doctor quoted.

Didn't the study come from Trump University?

Smug, from the guy who claims that current unemployment is the worst since the 1930s.

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now. Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general.

see post #258, I can cite as many as you want...and again, I wear a mask because I believe they help. But some smart people disagree.

Spence, people can disagree. The world doesn't have to be all one way or all the other.

And we are all still waiting for one example of an issue on which you disagree with democrats...

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/
The CDC report doesn't demonstrate what the Federalist article says. The conclusion isn't that masks don't work, it's that people who engage in close contact behavior and where mask wearing is difficult to maintain are more likely to get sick.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
Focuses on mask wearing help to prevent you from getting sick, not making others sick.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/scientists-tested-14-types-of-masks-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/
Doesn't say masks don't work, just says bandanas and neck gators are much less effective.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ6SWBQ5hfJB4A2BpXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9 zAzUEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1603843073/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2ffee.org%2farticles%2fnew-study-casts-more-doubt-on-effectiveness-of-masks-in-preventing-covid-19-spread%2f/RK=2/RS=b7EgkDe3OTCFfNjMcwUS6kGKiEo-
Wow looks bad, but, wait for it...

"UPDATE: The authors retracted this study based on the advice of the editors of Annals of Internal Medicine. Read the Notice of Retraction Here"

https://fee.org/articles/europes-top-health-officials-say-masks-arent-helpful-in-beating-covid-19/
This isn't a study, let alone a peer reviewed one. It's a few anecdotes with an ancient CDC statement from February that has long since been revised.

How many do you want?
I'm still waiting for ONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOClXAg9nQU

Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks,

.

that's what everyone wears, fabric masks and buffs

If there was no consensus until "recently," and many worldwide "expert" epidemiologists, including as well the WHO (and even Dr. Fauci) early on and even into august and later, said that masks didn't work, or it was inconclusive if they did, or recommended that only sick people wore them, etc., then all those "experts" were far more responsible than Trump for confusing people and letting the virus spread in the supposedly critical early period of contagion.

I don't recall Trump ever actually saying that masks should not be worn. He seems to have been ambiguous, which is understandable since the "experts" contradicted each other. And he has been evolving (as have the "experts") more toward encouraging mask wearing.

If there was no consensus until "recently," and many worldwide "expert" epidemiologists, including as well the WHO (and even Dr. Fauci) early on and even into august and later, said that masks didn't work, or it was inconclusive if they did, or recommended that only sick people wore them, etc.
Fauci stated very clearly the mask guidance at the outset was due to a lack of PPE and a focus on hospitals.

Fauci stated very clearly the mask guidance at the outset was due to a lack of PPE and a focus on hospitals.

you mean this guy?

Smug, from the guy who claims that current unemployment is the worst since the 1930s.

I lumped unemployment and economy into the same sentence thought you were smart enough to realize the economic state of the US was THE point. I do however know that more US citizens couldn’t work due to business closures percentage wise during the worst os this in the spring than probably the unemployment percentage in that depression, again if you have trouble reading between the lines I can make the text bigger and even color it blue for you.

I lumped unemployment and economy into the same sentence thought you were smart enough to....



that makes even less sense...good job:angel:

Fauci stated very clearly the mask guidance at the outset was due to a lack of PPE and a focus on hospitals.

I know that he later rationalized why he encouraged the general public not to wear masks, but in terms of doing things early that could mitigate the spread of the virus, it makes no difference what his reasoning was. Many people, no doubt, took his encouragement at heart and did not wear a mask. So he was part of the supposed problem of not doing the right thing at the critical early stage.

And the WHO went beyond that rationalization and cast doubts on the actual efficacy, or necessity of wearing masks until sometime in august, which was way past the critical early stage that people want to blame Trump for. And many other worldwide "experts" also were negative about mask usefulness well past the critical early stage.

Fauci was only one of many. But Trump is blamed for not doing some unspecified thing early enough.

I’ll be glad when Covita’s over

On Saturday, President Donald J. Trump emerged from his West Palm Beach voting center, boasting he voted a “straight Republican ticket.” A “straight Republican ticket” in his congressional district—the Florida 21st—is one that includes House candidate Laura Loomer, a QAnon supporter who gained notoriety for being so bigoted that she became, according to herself, the “most banned woman on the planet.” From there, Trump jetted off on Air Force One to dance to the Village People’s “YMCA” at yet another rally amid the pandemic that has struck dead 225,000 Americans.

Four years ago, it would have been impossible to imagine such a vignette—because before Trump became president, most people had no idea what a “coronavirus” was and QAnon didn’t yet exist. Now, though, these hateful mental and physical plagues are inescapable. They are dominant facts of our personal lives and our national politics.

This is America on Trump.
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I lumped unemployment and economy into the same sentence thought you were smart enough to realize the economic state of the US was THE point. I do however know that more US citizens couldn’t work due to business closures percentage wise during the worst os this in the spring than probably the unemployment percentage in that depression, again if you have trouble reading between the lines I can make the text bigger and even color it blue for you.

there is nothing in the US economy, that's at its worst point since the Great Depression. You made a mistake and can't admit it.

that makes even less sense...good job:angel:

He literally found a way to make it more stupid.

How about life expectancy under Trump?! Lowest since the Civil War!

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now..

Aha! So you'll give the scientists the benefit of a learning curve, but not Trump, who is supposed to listen to the scientists.

You guys are unbelievable.

Aha! So you'll give the scientists the benefit of a learning curve, but not Trump, who is supposed to listen to the scientists.

You guys are unbelievable.

You forgot...Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do.

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You forgot...Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do.

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thin masks and gaters, which many people are wearing. it sure what you’re seeing out there.
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thin masks and gaters, which many people are wearing. it sure what you’re seeing out there.
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A lot of people wear homemade masks as when the pandemic got rolling that's about all you could get. Now I see much more if not most people wearing much thicker commercially made masks or KN95's as I don't think N95's are easy to come by yet.

I don't know if the CDC has issued a recommendation on bandanas or neck gators but I don't see much of that around here. The bandanas seem to mostly be people who don't want to wear a mask but need to walk into the store or get some nips after work.

Regardless, none of this is really material to the fact that you still haven't provided a single link that proves "There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing."

A lot of people wear homemade masks as when the pandemic got rolling that's about all you could get. Now I see much more if not most people wearing much thicker commercially made masks or KN95's as I don't think N95's are easy to come by yet.

I don't know if the CDC has issued a recommendation on bandanas or neck gators but I don't see much of that around here. The bandanas seem to mostly be people who don't want to wear a mask but need to walk into the store or get some nips after work.

Regardless, none of this is really material to the fact that you still haven't provided a single link that proves "There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing."

https://www.globalresearch.ca/do-face-masks-work-8-peer-reviewed-studies/5723124

https://www.globalresearch.ca/do-face-masks-work-8-peer-reviewed-studies/5723124
On the surface nothing in those studies referenced back up Jim's claim. I didn't bother to dig deeper because:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/global-research/

On the surface nothing in those studies referenced back up Jim's claim. I didn't bother to dig deeper because:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/global-research/

I find mediabiasfactcheck to be biased. Their sources are not always trustworthy. Any factcheck org that uses the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source, loses any credibility with me.

That said, from your factchecker: "in review, GlobalResearch publishes a combination of real news and conspiracy theories." Being as there were synopses of peer reviewed articles, this should fall into the "real news" categories.

At any rate, you wanted an example. None of the studies, btw, said that masks did "nothing." To a nit-picking degree, Jim may be hard put to find a peer reviewed study that proves that masks do nothing. But more important is that there are differing scientific opinions about various aspects of the virus. That leads to uncertainty in the public.

And, more importantly, blaming Trump for the mask controversy, especially in the important early stages where many "experts" downplayed the effectiveness or necessity of wearing masks, is more politically motivated than factual.

A lot of people wear homemade masks as when the pandemic got rolling that's about all you could get. Now I see much more if not most people wearing much thicker commercially made masks or KN95's as I don't think N95's are easy to come by yet.




...this is ridiculous

...this is ridiculous
It's like your go to. Please think before you post.

It's like your go to. Please think before you post.


you write a lotta stupid stuff;)

Putin orders national mask mandate as coronavirus cases spike in Russia.

Perhaps this is what will convince Trumplicans that Putin really is a bad guy! Or maybe it will convince them to wear masks. Good in either case!
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Putin orders national mask mandate as coronavirus cases spike in Russia.

Perhaps this is what will convince Trumplicans that Putin really is a bad guy! Or maybe it will convince them to wear masks. Good in either case!
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8 of the 10 states with the highest numbers of new corona cases yesterday have mask mandates in place....

The way TDS sufferers brains are wired, if Trump said stay home and wear masks from day one, they would have held orgies in the streets while screaming about Trump being Authoritarian and trying to lock them in their homes.
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The way TDS sufferers brains are wired, if Trump said stay home and wear masks from day one, they would have held orgies in the streets while screaming about Trump being Authoritarian and trying to lock them in their homes.
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^ this.

it doesn’t matter what Trump does, what matters is shrieking that it’s evil.
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this guy sums it up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlCQk36Ln34

There is never a consensus with Republicans unless its abortion or gun control
Where the only consensus lays in a small percent of their base no where else

Republicans party should change its mascot should be the 3 monkeys :faga:

this guy sums it up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlCQk36Ln34


More evidence masks work ..

This is the newest conspiracy going around. Still not sure what the suggestion is that covid is the flu or everyone is lying.. and once again youtube as your source of information is very informative ��

How about his 2 music rap hits bio weapon or i love Trump or go to his web site a buy a 30 dollar god is great hat..

COVID-19 transmission risk on airplanes 'virtually non-existent' when passengers wear masks


https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/2020/09/17/harvard-study-masks-air-travel

There is never a consensus with Republicans unless its abortion or gun control
Where the only consensus lays in a small percent of their base no where else

Republicans party should change its mascot should be the 3 monkeys :faga:

because we are ok with differing opinions. why is it good that democrats never disagree on anything?
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There is never a consensus with Republicans unless its abortion or gun control
Where the only consensus lays in a small percent of their base no where else



:huh:

:huh:

need an english - gibberish translator?
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because we are ok with differing opinions. why is it good that democrats never disagree on anything?
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good little marxists marching in lock step....

corona is terrible for the environment...I see discarded masks and gloves on the ground everywhere I go

6 days
The WH Office of Science and Technology yesterday released a list of first term accomplishments. The first item on the list was eradicating the COVID-19 pandemic.
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good little marxists marching in lock step....

corona is terrible for the environment...I see discarded masks and gloves on the ground everywhere I go

Stay all over the map with your daily conspericy. Focus :wave:

Stay all over the map with your daily conspericy. Focus :wave:

did you guys make your appointments for next wednesday yet?:bl:

need an english - gibberish translator?
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I'll make it easy for you jim... you support dishonesty and lies when you and your conservative pals insist their is no consensus

So what area do Republicans and Americans have a consensus what policy or idea

This poll is very telling on what Shephard the gop sheep are following when it comes to masks

I'll make it easy for you jim... you support dishonesty and lies when you and your conservative pals insist their is no consensus

So what area do Republicans and Americans have a consensus what policy or idea

This poll is very telling on what Shephard the gop sheep are following when it comes to masks
i said there’s no consensus on masks, and posted 10 or so articles citing studies saying masks don’t work against this virus. i don’t know what party has to do with it, the fact is, there are scientists who say masks aren’t effective.

if you want to deny that, fine. all i’m doing is staing the obvious, but once again you display your willingness to deny all facts that don’t serve your personal agenda.

I wear a mask, ok? i’m no saying i agree with those studies. i’m saying they exist.
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So what area do Republicans and Americans have a consensus what policy or idea



perfect consensus? nothing, probably. but americans tend to like the gop position on taxes, border policy, letting the free market lift us all, personal liberty, no 9th month abortions ( public opinion may be changing there, i don’t know), strong national defense, no court stacking, etc...

do you think the gop is a fringe party? for several years now, we’ve had the senate and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. why do you think that is? the gop had had an amazing run since 2010. an amazing run, that lasted ten years.
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i said there’s no consensus on masks, and posted 10 or so articles citing studies saying masks don’t work against this virus. i don’t know what party has to do with it, the fact is, there are scientists who say masks aren’t effective.

if you want to deny that, fine. all i’m doing is staing the obvious, but once again you display your willingness to deny all facts that don’t serve your personal agenda.

I wear a mask, ok? i’m no saying i agree with those studies. i’m saying they exist.
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You posted zero articles saying masks don’t work.
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You posted zero articles saying masks don’t work.
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posted several articles saying masks don’t work, which you didn’t like, so you threw your predictable hissy fit.

you’re acting like i’m supporting that position. i dont.
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Sounds like someone will adopt any position to support Tweety and “own the libs”
At least you’re consistent
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Sounds like someone will adopt any position to support Tweety and “own the libs”
At least you’re consistent
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i choose to wear a mask. how is that supporting trump?
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After Mark Meadows claimed "we are not going to control the pandemic," testing coordinator Adm. Giroir said this a.m., "We can control the virus. We know how to do that." He said that means having smart policies like wearing masks, avoiding crowds & being careful during holidays.
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Now think about the “pro-life” people who refuse to wear masks and say "the government can't tell me what I can and can't do with my body " and the irony will be lost on them all
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After Mark Meadows claimed "we are not going to control the pandemic," testing coordinator Adm. Giroir said this a.m., "We can control the virus. We know how to do that." He said that means having smart policies like wearing masks, avoiding crowds & being careful during holidays.
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Issue is moot now

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/27/white-house-lists-ending-covid-19-pandemic-as-trump-accomplishment/#5428edbc1034
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Issue is moot now

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/27/white-house-lists-ending-covid-19-pandemic-as-trump-accomplishment/#5428edbc1034
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^^

i choose to wear a mask. how is that supporting trump?
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RI is spiking beyond spring levels...not many trump supporters in RI and the spiking is in areas that are not "trump country"....this is true across the country but don't let that get in the way of the narrative that trump supporters refusing to wear masks are driving the covid fall rebound that everyone expected,,,, and which is also reflected around the world....just blame trump...:happy:

Let’s be precise. It’s not getting better no matter what the clown claims. It’s getting worse. The Johns Hopkins University reports another 73,240 Americans were diagnosed with Covid-19 yesterday and another 985 Americans died from the virus yesterday. My Deepest Condolences to their loving families.

Besides they really care

CNN's Alisyn Camerota: "Hospitals in WI are near capacity. Does that give you any pause about going there and holding a big rally?"

Trump 2020 Press Sec. Hogan Gidley: “No, it doesn’t … the VP has the best doctors in the world around him."

just blame trump...:happy:

It appears If the polling is correct and after 2016 I don’t trust polls, the majority of the country is about to do just that. So if and that’s a big if in politics today, Biden wins in a landslide and the GOP looses the senate, what is your view of that majority? Just a country full of stupid people or people who couldn’t stand another minute with this want-to-be dictator and fool in charge.

"In two weeks," Trump should be a lame duck president.

But he was always a quack.

if Biden wins in a landslide and the GOP looses the senate, what is your view of that majority? Just a country full of stupid people or people who couldn’t stand another minute with this want-to-be dictator and fool in charge.



do you expect me to answer one or the other?

do you expect me to answer one or the other?

I already know your answer it’s clear by your posts in this and other threads.

perfect consensus? nothing, probably. but americans tend to like the gop position on taxes, border policy, letting the free market lift us all, personal liberty, no 9th month abortions ( public opinion may be changing there, i don’t know), strong national defense, no court stacking, etc...

do you think the gop is a fringe party? for several years now, we’ve had the senate and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. why do you think that is? the gop had had an amazing run since 2010. an amazing run, that lasted ten years.
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what is a perfect consensus ? this maybe the issue you even can twist the definition of consensus its self ..


Jim a consensus is general agreement. not a super majority of agreement

so if 75 % of science and doctors say masks work ( havent seen any suggesting they are 100% effective thats not what anyone is saying umbrellas dont keep you 100% dry but we still use them ) and 25 % say they dont work at all ?

There's your consensus, a minority view does not void this consensus on Masks

Let’s be precise. It’s not getting better no matter what the clown claims. It’s getting worse.



we knew it was coming back....this is very good...

NPR

Studies Point To Big Drop In COVID-19 Death Rates
October 26, 2020

"The drop is seen in all groups, including older patients and those with underlying conditions, suggesting that physicians are getting better at helping patients survive their illness......Patients in the study had a 25.6% chance of dying at the start of the pandemic; they now have a 7.6% chance.


try to be optimistic...I know it's hard....

I already know your answer it’s clear by your posts in this and other threads.

it's clear by your question that you assume an awful lot

c. I think people will vote for what they believe is in their best interest and I won't hold it against them....can't say that for a lot of people that I know

You won’t hold it against the public who blame Trump, that’s a contradiction of sorts.

we knew it was coming back....this is very good...

NPR

Studies Point To Big Drop In COVID-19 Death Rates
October 26, 2020

"The drop is seen in all groups, including older patients and those with underlying conditions, suggesting that physicians are getting better at helping patients survive their illness......Patients in the study had a 25.6% chance of dying at the start of the pandemic; they now have a 7.6% chance.


try to be optimistic...I know it's hard....

Now tell us about the little known long term effects of contracting COVID-19
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html
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It appears If the polling is correct and after 2016 I don’t trust polls, the majority of the country is about to do just that. So if and that’s a big if in politics today, Biden wins in a landslide and the GOP looses the senate, what is your view of that majority? Just a country full of stupid people or people who couldn’t stand another minute with this want-to-be dictator and fool in charge.

If Biden wins and the Dems take the Senate (very likely), why would anyone assume it's anything other than normal pendulum swinging?

In 2008, Obama won, the dems controlled the house, and had a fillibuster-proof majority n the senate.

Then starting in 2010, for 10 years, a red wave swept the whole country. Now, probably thanks to trump's antics but only because of that, it's likely to go the other way.

Normal pattern...

You won’t hold it against the public who blame Trump, that’s a contradiction of sorts.

why would I? ....and blame trump for what?....you seem to blame trump for everything including the sun coming up...I think, like pete, you concoct things in your head that are not necessarily true then you come here and rail against those things projection them on others...it's odd

If Biden wins and the Dems take the Senate (very likely), why would anyone assume it's anything other than normal pendulum swinging?

In 2008, Obama won, the dems controlled the house, and had a fillibuster-proof majority n the senate.

Then starting in 2010, for 10 years, a red wave swept the whole country. Now, probably thanks to trump's antics but only because of that, it's likely to go the other way.

Normal pattern...

if trump loses and dems take the senate..spence and the democrat geniuses will declare the republican party dead forever...again...for the 4th time :uhuh::rotf2:

I take no responsibility at all
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Well, if you’re brain dead enough to think this is something and someone who deserves your vote.........

“What are your top priority items for a second term?"

This was Trump’s full answer. Savor it:

"Well, one of the things that will be really great -- you know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience, I've always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It's a very important meaning. I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times, all of a sudden, I'm president of the United States. You know the story, I'm riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our first lady and I say, this is great. But I didn't know very many people in Washington. It wasn't my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now, I know everybody and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes like, you know, an idiot like Bolton. All he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to kill people."

Afterward, he was given multiple chances to give a better answer, but he never did.
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if trump loses and dems take the senate..spence and the democrat geniuses will declare the republican party dead forever...again...for the 4th time :uhuh::rotf2:

Correct. Everyone said in 2008 that the GOP was done, a fringe party of nothing but old, rich white guys...then starting only 2 years later, the GOP opened up a can of whoop-azz.

It never lasts forever.

An interesting discussion could be had, in which the premise was that in both the 2008 and 2020 elections, the country was facing crises which the entire media unfairly (in my opinion, obviously) blamed an incumbent republican president, and the democrats used that BS to gain power.

Well, if you’re brain dead enough to think this is something and someone who deserves your vote.........

“What are your top priority items for a second term?"

This was Trump’s full answer. Savor it:

"Well, one of the things that will be really great -- you know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience, I've always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It's a very important meaning. I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times, all of a sudden, I'm president of the United States. You know the story, I'm riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our first lady and I say, this is great. But I didn't know very many people in Washington. It wasn't my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now, I know everybody and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes like, you know, an idiot like Bolton. All he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to kill people."

Afterward, he was given multiple chances to give a better answer, but he never did.
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The thing is, I don't care how he articulated his answer to that question. The true answer, is that he oversaw an administration during which, a record-number of Americans claimed they were better off thnn 4 years ago, and that was during a global pandemic.

Pete, how do you explain that a record number of people say they're better off now than 4 years ago? Never before have more Americans claimed they were better off. How did that happen, what makes them feel that way?

Setting aside how people personally felt about their situation, it asked, “Do you think America is better off or worse off than it was four years ago?”

On this question, the verdict was distinctly different. Just 39 percent said the country was better off than four years ago, while 55 percent said it was worse off. When it came to whether things were worse than four years ago, the number jumped from 32 percent for people’s personal situations to 55 percent for the country’s situation — increasing by at least 16 points for every demographic except Republicans. Positive views overall dropped from 49 percent to 39 percent.

Setting aside how people personally felt about their situation, it asked, “Do you think America is better off or worse off than it was four years ago?”

On this question, the verdict was distinctly different. Just 39 percent said the country was better off than four years ago, while 55 percent said it was worse off. When it came to whether things were worse than four years ago, the number jumped from 32 percent for people’s personal situations to 55 percent for the country’s situation — increasing by at least 16 points for every demographic except Republicans. Positive views overall dropped from 49 percent to 39 percent.

you always dodge any question that you can’t answer with trump bashing. always.

it must be convenient to be able to “set aside” EVERYTHING that doesn’t support your agenda.
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you always dodge any question that you can’t answer with trump bashing. always.

it must be convenient to be able to “set aside” EVERYTHING that doesn’t support your agenda.
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It’s very apparent that the majority of Americans have more empathy than Trump and Trumplicans, that’s why most say while I personally may be better off, the country is not with this administration.
It’s only a few more days and I applaud Covita for unifying the country, it just happens to be against him.
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It’s very apparent that the majority of Americans have more empathy than Trump and Trumplicans, that’s why most say while I personally may be better off, the country is not with this administration.
It’s only a few more days and I applaud Covita for unifying the country, it just happens to be against him.
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"It’s very apparent that the majority of Americans have more empathy than Trump "

Probably true.

"and Trumplicans"

to believe THAT, you'd need to "set aside" the data which clearly shows that conservatives as a group are more likely to donate time and money to charity than liberals. Again, we se your ability to "set aside" any and all facts which contradict your simplistic notion that liberal=good, conservative=bad.

"while I personally may be better off, the country is not"

If most people are better off, how is the country not better off? It's not like only a small number were better off before covid, than they were 4 years prior. Not sure who else was meaningfully worse off, or how. If having a soft cuddly president is more important to you than having a good job and a healthy 401k, I guess you were worse off. I just can't see any meaningful number of people being that stupid.

" applaud Covita for unifying the country"

we can't all be as unifying as Obama was. No division there.

Keep setting aside everything you can't respond to , Pete. That's healthy.

I’m sending good thoughts to you Jim, I know this is going to be a tough couple of weeks, breath in through your nose 1-2-3 and out through your mouth 1-2-3, there isn’t that better.

I’m sending good thoughts to you Jim, I know this is going to be a tough couple of weeks, breath in through your nose 1-2-3 and out through your mouth 1-2-3, there isn’t that better.

Are you illiterate? I am assuming he gets creamed and planned accordingly, I'll actually make out great if he loses. How many times do I have to say it before it sinks in? Should I make you a pop up book? Would that help?

I won't have to hide under my bed like someone here did when he won.

Again, very smug for a guy who says that the US economy is in worse shape now, than at any time since the Great Depression. Wicked smaht. That' snot a sign of TDS. There's ALL KINDS of data to support that statement, right?

Pete, how do you explain that a record number of people say they're better off now than 4 years ago? Never before have more Americans claimed they were better off. How did that happen, what makes them feel that way?
Source.

Source.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-record-56-of-americans-say-they-are-better-off-than-four-years-ago/ar-BB1a0Qbp

I suppose you'll try to tell us the article doesn't say what it explicitly says?

This was during a pandemic? What would the % have been if they asked this last November? Everyone except ISIS sleeper agents would have said they were better off.

Are you illiterate? I am assuming he gets creamed and planned accordingly, I'll actually make out great if he loses. How many times do I have to say it before it sinks in? Should I make you a pop up book? Would that help?

I won't have to hide under my bed like someone here did when he won.

Again, very smug for a guy who says that the US economy is in worse shape now, than at any time since the Great Depression. Wicked smaht. That' snot a sign of TDS. There's ALL KINDS of data to support that statement, right?

You are almost as easy to wind up as DeBarr is.

You are almost as easy to wind up as DeBarr is.

Pointing out the absurdity of your statement, isn't wound up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-record-56-of-americans-say-they-are-better-off-than-four-years-ago/ar-BB1a0Qbp

I suppose you'll try to tell us the article doesn't say what it explicitly says?

This was during a pandemic? What would the % have been if they asked this last November? Everyone except ISIS sleeper agents would have said they were better off.
So what you're saying is a majority thinks they're better off yet they want to boot Trump anyway? Just want to be clear.

Dow Plunges 943 Points; Steep Sell-Off Is Triggered By Fears Of More Lockdowns


Guess this is what rounding the corner looks like. Or is the DOW suffering from TDS also

Dow Plunges 943 Points; Steep Sell-Off Is Triggered By Fears Of More Lockdowns


Guess this is what rounding the corner looks like. Or is the DOW suffering from TDS also

I know WTF didn’t investors see the Trump campaign put out the memo they wiped this pandemic?

So what you're saying is a majority thinks they're better off yet they want to boot Trump anyway? Just want to be clear.

i’m not saying it. the poll said it.

for some reason you have a very hard time differentiating between what i am saying, and what i claim someone else said.

in every presidential
election, the question is asked if poole are better off then 4 years ago.

i claimed, correctly, that this year a record number of people
said they were better off.

you asked for the source.

gave you the source.

you respond with some
kind of an insult i gather, but the answer is yes. IF both polls are accurate, a majority of people
say they’re better off then 4 years ago, yet a majority will vote for biden.

i didn’t invent that theory. it’s what the polls are saying. not what i’m
saying. are you still unclear?
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Guess this is what rounding the corner looks like. Or is the DOW suffering from TDS also

and which candidate, if they win, is likely to support more
lockdowns.

you’re saying fear of lockdowns is a rejection of trump? trump
wants lockdowns, not biden?

that’s some serious logic there boys. trump, not biden, is responsible for fear of lockdowns one week ahead of an election biden is projected to win. trump is calling for opening things up, while
biden is telling people to prepare for a dark winter. Despite all that, you associate lockdowns with trump. incredible.

have you guys all been painting inside with the windows shut? you need to open the windows a crack.
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What Covita’s associated with is a failure to take the virus seriously.
This is evidenced by having mass rallies in places with rising infection rates, claiming he’s saved us from COVID-19 and that it’s over, that we can just go back to normal, that getting the virus is no big deal and that a vaccine will be available shortly.
Don’t worry Mexico paid for the wall, it’s all done, the middle class tax cut will come right after the election and.......infrastructure week
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What Covita’s associated with is a failure to take the virus seriously.

Trump has obviously taken it very seriously.

This is evidenced by having mass rallies in places with rising infection rates, claiming he’s saved us from COVID-19 and that it’s over, that we can just go back to normal, that getting the virus is no big deal and that a vaccine will be available shortly.

Infection rates are rising just about everywhere, not just in places where he has had rallies. He has done a lot to "save us." "It's over" is hyperbole. Death rate is way down from the start.
We need to get back to normal. The sooner the better. The virus is not as deadly as we are scared into believing. And his facilitation of the vaccine coming shortly is one of the many things he has done to save us.

Don’t worry Mexico paid for the wall, it’s all done, the middle class tax cut will come right after the election and.......infrastructure week
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In spite of ferocious opposition, 371 miles of wall have been completed and construction continues. Mexico is spending money on guarding the border, housing illegals, sending many back, and assimilating many. It also wants to continue cooperating on the immigration issue in order to keep intact the the trade deal. Illegal crossings have shrunk. The Repubs delivered on their first tax cut. There is no reason to believe that they won't do so as well with the middle class tax cut.

In spite of ferocious opposition, 371 miles of wall have been completed and construction continues. Mexico is spending money on guarding the border, housing illegals, sending many back, and assimilating many. It also wants to continue cooperating on the immigration issue in order to keep intact the the trade deal. Illegal crossings have shrunk. The Repubs delivered on their first tax cut. There is no reason to believe that they won't do so as well with the middle class tax cut.

*most of that wall has replaced old sections in need of replacement, all that equates to is routine maintenance any parties administration would probably have to do, but thanks for the spin. Hey on the Covid thread issue, new studies on brain function impact on Covid patients, indicate it ages the brain by up to ten years. Now considering Trumps age and his already diminished mental capacity, I think his miss pronounced word count will be epic if elected and we are witness to it.

*most of that wall has replaced old sections in need of replacement, all that equates to is routine maintenance any parties administration would probably have to do, but thanks for the spin. Hey on the Covid thread issue, new studies on brain function impact on Covid patients, indicate it ages the brain by up to ten years. Now considering Trumps age and his already diminished mental capacity, I think his miss pronounced word count will be epic if elected and we are witness to it.

replacement is not "routine maintenance".....you really shouldn't accuse others of "spin"

What Covita’s associated with is a failure to take the virus seriously.

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Which again is funny, because Biden said in January that Trumps travel restrictions were "hysterical", that it was an over reaction. Which necessarily means that back then, Biden took it less seriously than Trump did. Yet with all that, you say with a straight face that Biden would have done more to confront the virus in early days.

You are making stuff up, which is flatly refuted by events that actually happened. Try making that wrong.

You are making stuff up,

.

it's his hobby...

Which again is funny, because Biden said in January that Trumps travel restrictions were "hysterical", that it was an over reaction. Which necessarily means that back then, Biden took it less seriously than Trump did. Yet with all that, you say with a straight face that Biden would have done more to confront the virus in early days.

You are making stuff up, which is flatly refuted by events that actually happened. Try making that wrong.
No he didn’t
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No he didn’t
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he said hysterical, and xenophobic. Those are his exact words.

No he didn’t
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it's biden soooooo.....

No he didn’t
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And Pelosi tried to pass a bill in the house that would have un-did the travel restrictions, even Chris Cuomo had to attack her for that - what does that tell you.

No he didn’t
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On February 1, the day after the travel restrictions were announced, Biden said this...

"We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering"

An exact quote.

On April 3, the Biden campaign finally said it supported science-based travel bans. In April.

How can someone married to a foreigner, be a xenophpobe anyway? Can someone explain that?

Which again is funny, because Biden said in January that Trumps travel restrictions were "hysterical", that it was an over reaction. Which necessarily means that back then, Biden took it less seriously than Trump did. Yet with all that, you say with a straight face that Biden would have done more to confront the virus in early days.

You are making stuff up, which is flatly refuted by events that actually happened. Try making that wrong.

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
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We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores.

We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores.

Oh, that's real specific Pete.

It's Trumps fault that China bungled this?

Oh, that's real specific Pete.

It's Trumps fault that China bungled this?

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

On February 1, the day after the travel restrictions were announced, Biden said this...

"We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering"

An exact quote.

On April 3, the Biden campaign finally said it supported science-based travel bans. In April.

How can someone married to a foreigner, be a xenophpobe anyway? Can someone explain that?
Actually I believe it was the same day, perhaps just hours apart. And anyone with a 5th grade reading comprehension can see he was talking about Trump's history.

Actually I believe it was the same day, perhaps just hours apart. And anyone with a 5th grade reading comprehension can see he was talking about Trump's history.

right the timing was a coincidence

and pelosi trying to pass a bill which would
have reversed the travel ban, what do you call that?

and biden waiting until april
to say that travel bans were a good idea? wasn’t that way too late?
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Janurary 27th 2020 OpEd by Biden in USA Today

The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. I remember how Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014 Ebola epidemic. He called President Barack Obama a “dope” and “incompetent” and railed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place — which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives — in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse. He advocated abandoning exposed and infected American citizens rather than bringing them home for treatment.

Trump’s demonstrated failures of judgment and his repeated rejection of science make him the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge.

The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more.

Diseases don't stop at borders or walls
The State Department has scheduled an evacuation flight and advised Americans against traveling to Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and is evacuating non-essential personnel.

Trump has blithely tweeted that “it will all work out well.” Yet the steps he has taken as president have only weakened our capacity to respond.

Trump has rolled back much of the progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. He proposed draconian cuts to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for International Development — the very agencies we need to fight this outbreak and prevent future ones.

He dismissed the top White House official in charge of global health security and dismantled the entire team. And he has treated with utmost contempt institutions that facilitate international cooperation, thus undermining the global efforts that keep us safe from pandemics and biological attacks.

To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.

Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response.

That’s how we broke the infection curve on Ebola. In September 2014, CDC projections warned that over 1 million people could be infected if we failed to act. By February 2015, thanks to the leadership of our administration, the number of new Ebola cases was fewer than 400. A few months later, the epidemic was essentially extinguished.

I will uphold science, not fiction or fear
We brought the world together behind a response that only the United States could mobilize — including dispatching our military on a limited mission to help build the urgent infrastructure necessary to coordinate a massive global public health response, deploying American disaster assistance response teams to Africa, unleashing the NIH to help spur the discovery of new treatments and vaccines, protecting our citizens from potential cases of Ebola in the USA, and harnessing civilian expertise from the CDC at home and abroad.

We acted over the chorus of uninformed objections from critics like Donald Trump, and more than 60 countries followed our lead, contributing over $2 billion, thousands of health professionals and personnel, and other critical resources like personal protective equipment. Just as important, we strengthened our focus on preparing for the next crisis.

That’s the kind of leadership a moment like this demands — a leadership Trump could never deliver.

As president, I will reassert U.S. leadership in global health security. My policies will always uphold science, not fiction or fearmongering. I will ask Congress to beef up the Public Health Emergency Fund and give me the power to use the Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act to declare a disaster if an infectious disease threat merits it.

I will also renew funding — set to expire in May — for the nationwide network of hospitals that can isolate and treat people with infectious diseases, and fully fund the Global Health Security Agenda so the world is ready for the next outbreak. And I will rebuild public trust, make sure we have dedicated resources to help us respond to crises quickly, and better harness the capabilities of the private sector to protect the American people. Our national security requires nothing less.

and pelosi trying to pass a bill which would
have reversed the travel ban, what do you call that?
Incomplete information.

Incomplete information.

Then please provide the information I missed, so that we can have the complete picture.

Even Chris Cuomo attacked Pelosi for this. But you can't. You're more extremely partisan than he is. Kudos. But you don't have a side, no sir.

and which candidate, if they win, is likely to support more
lockdowns.

you’re saying fear of lockdowns is a rejection of trump? trump
wants lockdowns, not biden?

that’s some serious logic there boys. trump, not biden, is responsible for fear of lockdowns one week ahead of an election biden is projected to win. trump is calling for opening things up, while
biden is telling people to prepare for a dark winter. Despite all that, you associate lockdowns with trump. incredible.

have you guys all been painting inside with the windows shut? you need to open the windows a crack.
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Jim even wall street sees Covid 19 is a big issue. 25% positivity in some states

Sorry if Trump took the virus seriously no lock downs would be required with a low positivity rates ... but that's not what happened.. is it . So take your own advice and open a window and let out your anti science thinking out ... clearly you have limited understanding of how a disease Impacts employees employers hospitals
When you have covid infections out of control . And a POTUS holding rallies after maskless rallies willing to sacrifice his willing sheep

And wall street sees whats possibly comming .. and its not about Biden. Its about whats happening now

Then please provide the information I missed, so that we can have the complete picture.

Even Chris Cuomo attacked Pelosi for this. But you can't. You're more extremely partisan than he is. Kudos. But you don't have a side, no sir.
The resistance to travel bans was mostly concern that the Trump administration would use them to enact immigration policy that was anti-Muslim. The Dems weren't trying to reverse the travel restrictions from China.

The resistance to travel bans was mostly concern that the Trump administration would use them to enact immigration policy that was anti-Muslim. The Dems weren't trying to reverse the travel restrictions from China.

did Trumps travel restrictions regarding China, mention anything about religion? Anything at all?

The No Ban Act had a narrow exception that allows the president to institute travel bans during public health crises, including the current pandemic

seem jim forgets we allowed over 1000 plus infected people back into the country with out testing them from all over the world and released them into airports to travel home spreading covid as they went ... not sure what good a travel ban is if you never tested or tracked returning travelers?

Its like saying dont be mad at we or hold me accountable I locked the front door!!! but you left all the windows and back door open

The partial travel ban is Jim’s fallback.

The White House publicly denies it. But Trump's own COVID advisers now privately admit that he's pursuing a 'herd immunity' strategy. And that gambit could result in the deaths of thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
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seem jim forgets we allowed over 1000 plus infected people back into the country with out testing them from all over the world and released them into airports to travel home spreading covid as they went ... not sure what good a travel ban is if you never tested or tracked returning travelers?

Its like saying dont be mad at we or hold me accountable I locked the front door!!! but you left all the windows and back door open

I don't forget that. I never, ever said that his travel ban was effective. What I said, is that Biden said the ban was hysterical and xenophobic.

The partial travel ban is Jim’s fallback.

My fallback, is that when liberals say he didn't do enough, I'll point out that back then, they said he did too much.

The travel ban, is completely irrelevant. What is relevant, is that liberals said it was an overreaction. The same people who said then that he overreacted, now say he didn't do enough.

That logic may make sense to you, seeing as you somehow conclude that the economy is now at its worst point since the great depression. To non-deranged people, that logic is, to put it politely, lacking.

Tell me more! What stocks should we buy this year? Share your economic knowledge with all of us, don't hoard it to yourself.

You sure showed me...

seem jim forgets we allowed over 1000 plus infected people back into the country with out testing them from all over the world and released them into airports to travel home spreading covid as they went ... not sure what good a travel ban is if you never tested or tracked returning travelers?

Its like saying dont be mad at we or hold me accountable I locked the front door!!! but you left all the windows and back door open

Whew. I'm not saying the travel ban was good. I'm saying that if liberals said then that it was an overreaction, they can't say today that Trump should have done more. You can't have it both ways.

Going too fast for you?

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

right the timing was a coincidence

and pelosi trying to pass a bill which would
have reversed the travel ban, what do you call that?

and biden waiting until april
to say that travel bans were a good idea? wasn’t that way too late?
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Janurary 27th 2020 OpEd by Biden in USA Today

The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. I remember how Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014 Ebola epidemic. He called President Barack Obama a “dope” and “incompetent” and railed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place — which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives — in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse. He advocated abandoning exposed and infected American citizens rather than bringing them home for treatment.

Trump’s demonstrated failures of judgment and his repeated rejection of science make him the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge.

The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more.

Diseases don't stop at borders or walls
The State Department has scheduled an evacuation flight and advised Americans against traveling to Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and is evacuating non-essential personnel.

Trump has blithely tweeted that “it will all work out well.” Yet the steps he has taken as president have only weakened our capacity to respond.

Trump has rolled back much of the progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. He proposed draconian cuts to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for International Development — the very agencies we need to fight this outbreak and prevent future ones.

He dismissed the top White House official in charge of global health security and dismantled the entire team. And he has treated with utmost contempt institutions that facilitate international cooperation, thus undermining the global efforts that keep us safe from pandemics and biological attacks.

To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.

Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response.

That’s how we broke the infection curve on Ebola. In September 2014, CDC projections warned that over 1 million people could be infected if we failed to act. By February 2015, thanks to the leadership of our administration, the number of new Ebola cases was fewer than 400. A few months later, the epidemic was essentially extinguished.

I will uphold science, not fiction or fear
We brought the world together behind a response that only the United States could mobilize — including dispatching our military on a limited mission to help build the urgent infrastructure necessary to coordinate a massive global public health response, deploying American disaster assistance response teams to Africa, unleashing the NIH to help spur the discovery of new treatments and vaccines, protecting our citizens from potential cases of Ebola in the USA, and harnessing civilian expertise from the CDC at home and abroad.

We acted over the chorus of uninformed objections from critics like Donald Trump, and more than 60 countries followed our lead, contributing over $2 billion, thousands of health professionals and personnel, and other critical resources like personal protective equipment. Just as important, we strengthened our focus on preparing for the next crisis.

That’s the kind of leadership a moment like this demands — a leadership Trump could never deliver.

As president, I will reassert U.S. leadership in global health security. My policies will always uphold science, not fiction or fearmongering. I will ask Congress to beef up the Public Health Emergency Fund and give me the power to use the Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act to declare a disaster if an infectious disease threat merits it.

I will also renew funding — set to expire in May — for the nationwide network of hospitals that can isolate and treat people with infectious diseases, and fully fund the Global Health Security Agenda so the world is ready for the next outbreak. And I will rebuild public trust, make sure we have dedicated resources to help us respond to crises quickly, and better harness the capabilities of the private sector to protect the American people. Our national security requires nothing less.

Then please provide the information I missed, so that we can have the complete picture.

Even Chris Cuomo attacked Pelosi for this. But you can't. You're more extremely partisan than he is. Kudos. But you don't have a side, no sir.

The No Ban Act had a narrow exception that allows the president to institute travel bans during public health crises, including the current pandemic

I don't forget that. I never, ever said that his travel ban was effective. What I said, is that Biden said the ban was hysterical and xenophobic.

Whew. I'm not saying the travel ban was good. I'm saying that if liberals said then that it was an overreaction, they can't say today that Trump should have done more. You can't have it both ways.

Going too fast for you?

I think you are going too fast for yourself

Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets.
Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction, just that it alone was not the correct response and apparently you agree.
It had as much effect as designating one part of the pool as the urination area.
If you want to see a detailed pandemic plan I linked it several posts ago, Covita literally threw his in the garbage.

I think you are going too fast for yourself

Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets.
Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction, just that it alone was not the correct response and apparently you agree.
It had as much effect as designating one part of the pool as the urination area.
If you want to see a detailed pandemic plan I linked it several posts ago, Covita literally threw his in the garbage.

"Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets."

Thw day Trump announced his travel restrictions, Biden said Trump was hysterical and xenophobic. Also public record. Right?

"Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction"

Biden said it was "hysterical".

In mid-January, the WHO said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24: "but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”

Bill Diblasio in March 2: ""Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus"

Anderson Cooper on March 2: "The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu"

Mar.9 - Bernie Sanders tells Foxnews he would not close our borders in response to the virus

Dr Fauci on Jan 26: "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci says on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

Feb. 11 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."

Feb. 13 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "We don’t have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that."

Nah, no one was downplaying it in the winter. Nope! Only Trump somehow got it wrong. All the democrats knew exactly what was coming. Right, Pete?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-house-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well

"Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets."

Thw day Trump announced his travel restrictions, Biden said Trump was hysterical and xenophobic. Also public record. Right?

"Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction"

Biden said it was "hysterical".

In mid-January, the WHO said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24: "but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”

Bill Diblasio in March 2: ""Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus"

Anderson Cooper on March 2: "The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu"

Mar.9 - Bernie Sanders tells Foxnews he would not close our borders in response to the virus

Dr Fauci on Jan 26: "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci says on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

Feb. 11 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."

Feb. 13 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "We don’t have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that."

Nah, no one was downplaying it in the winter. Nope! Only Trump somehow got it wrong. All the democrats knew exactly what was coming. Right, Pete?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-house-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well

Simple answer. Trump was right on the partial travel ban, maybe it should have gone further

The liberals listed were wrong at the times you quoted.

This was in the first months of this #^&#^&#^&#^&. We know from Woodward's recording Trump knew early, this had the potential to be bad. How much did the mayors and governors know in Feb/early March? I don't know. We know Trump knew it could be bad.

The difference is, the others (non-Trump) have adjusted course as we learned more about this thing. Trump has basically not. We are at all time daily highs on an upwards sloped and we have 'turned the corner'? (I don't love the SNL debate-stuff right now but Alec Baldwin as Trump had a good line about how this isn't a second wave because it never went back down). He is also out there making fun of mask and mask wearers. Yes there is still reasonable debate on that Jim, but the majority/plurality/consensus is that it seems to help limit spread.

USA Today even had an analysis that following Trump campaign rally's/events brought, cases have increased higher in those counties than elsewhere.

"Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets."

Thw day Trump announced his travel restrictions, Biden said Trump was hysterical and xenophobic. Also public record. Right?

Here is what Biden said "We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus. This is no time for Donald Trump's record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science."

"Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction"

Biden said it was "hysterical".

See above

In mid-January, the WHO said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien told Trump, “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

In a Feb. 7 interview, when asked what Chinese President Xi Jinping
told him about the virus, Trump says, “This is deadly stuff.”

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

When on Feb. 7th Covita told Bob Woodward how dangerous it was, maybe if he had said that to others things would have been different.

It was not until March 11th that he spoke "My fellow Americans: Tonight, I want to speak with you about our nation's unprecedented response to the coronavirus outbreak that started in China and is now spreading throughout the world."

Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24: "but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”

Bill Diblasio in March 2: ""Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus"

Anderson Cooper on March 2: "The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu"

Mar.9 - Bernie Sanders tells Foxnews he would not close our borders in response to the virus

Dr Fauci on Jan 26: "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci says on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

Feb. 11 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."

Feb. 13 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "We don’t have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that."

Oddly enough while those people with the exception of Fauci in January, were saying things, Covita was keeping it on the down low..........

Nah, no one was downplaying it in the winter. Nope! Only Trump somehow got it wrong. All the democrats knew exactly what was coming. Right, Pete?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-house-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well

Keep dreaming in that little Fox echo chamber, remember, it's a hoax and November 4th it will be gone like a miracle.
More and more comes out about the administration's efforts to keep the virus under wraps and failure to act.

Simple answer. Trump was right on the partial travel ban, maybe it should have gone further

The liberals listed were wrong at the times you quoted.

This was in the first months of this #^&#^&#^&#^&. We know from Woodward's recording Trump knew early, this had the potential to be bad. How much did the mayors and governors know in Feb/early March? I don't know. We know Trump knew it could be bad.

The difference is, the others (non-Trump) have adjusted course as we learned more about this thing. Trump has basically not. We are at all time daily highs on an upwards sloped and we have 'turned the corner'? (I don't love the SNL debate-stuff right now but Alec Baldwin as Trump had a good line about how this isn't a second wave because it never went back down). He is also out there making fun of mask and mask wearers. Yes there is still reasonable debate on that Jim, but the majority/plurality/consensus is that it seems to help limit spread.

USA Today even had an analysis that following Trump campaign rally's/events brought, cases have increased higher in those counties than elsewhere.

"The liberals listed were wrong at the times you quoted.
"

Literally, the only democrat here who can bring himself to say that. I respect that.

"We know Trump knew it could be bad. "

What should he have done in March, which he has the authority to do?

"the others (non-Trump) have adjusted course as we learned more about this thing."

Is Trump not now suggesting social distancing, masks, etc? Did he not get hospital ships and ventilators in CA and NY? Did the feds convert the Javits center in NY to a hospital?

"there is still reasonable debate on that (masks) Jim, but the majority/plurality/consensus is that it seems to help limit spread. "

Again, I agree 100% with your statement, and I also lean in favor of the guys who say masks help, and I wear one every time I go out. Again, you're the only liberal who can concede that there are studies questioning the value of masks. I don't buy into those studies, but I admit they exist. Only you can agree they exist.

I absolutely don't give Trump a good grade on his handling of the virus, and I never said I did. But I don't see specific policies that most people suggested, which he ignored, except for masks I guess, which I think he was reckless on. But isn't he now sayong to wear masks?

Bryan, in January, I thought we needed major lockdowns. I was terrified that seniors all over the country would die for lack of ventilators, that hospitals would be overwhelmed. None of that happened.

200k is a staggering, appalling number. If a consensus of experts was begging Trump in January to do something he didn't do, I'd agree much of this is on him. I don't see evidence that's the case. Maybe he was too casual in his words, but I don't take those cues from him or any president. Mt family (we are in CT) locked down in the spring, only went out when necessary, wore masks, stayed 10 feet away, sanitized our hands 25 times a day. Trump didn't tell me not to do those things.

Gov Cuomo ordered nursing homes (nursing homes of all places!) to admit covid-19 residents, when most nursing homes aren't anything close to a hospital. How many died as a direct result of that? And none of that is on Trump. And everyone on the left gives Cuomo a pass.

As I have said so many times, thanks for being the voice of reason and honesty on the left. Have a good afternoon, and stay safe.

My fallback, is that when liberals say he didn't do enough, I'll point out that back then, they said he did too much.

The travel ban, is completely irrelevant. What is relevant, is that liberals said it was an overreaction. The same people who said then that he overreacted, now say he didn't do enough.

That logic may make sense to you, seeing as you somehow conclude that the economy is now at its worst point since the great depression. To non-deranged people, that logic is, to put it politely, lacking.

Tell me more! What stocks should we buy this year? Share your economic knowledge with all of us, don't hoard it to yourself.

You sure showed me...

The "liberals" you bitch about reacted early on in a negative way were NOT in charge and since many others have covered some of the context of those statements by the left, I'm not going to waste time reposted. Screen doors in submarines don't work and partial travel bans without an aggressive national plane to follow don't work either. Trump knew how bad this was going to be and he didn't evolve with the problem, because he was more concerned about his image and how this was going to impact his chances of a second term. If you don't think the messaging from the top, especially in light of what he knew (woodward tapes are very telling), then you are blind.

If you don't think the messaging from the top, especially in light of what he knew (woodward tapes are very telling), then you are blind.

If messaging from the top is that powerful, why did so many states have lockdowns, with people wearing masks and avoiding each other. If everybody blindly listens to Trump, why we were all being so responsible?

On what basis would you say Trumps "messaging" caused more deaths than Gov Cuomo ordering nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents?

Cuomo wasn't a victim of early-days ignorance. By the time he issued his genocidal order, the entire world knew that the elderly were the most at risk. That was well known when that Mensa candidate deliberately sent that disease to nursing homes. But none of you are critical of him. And despite what you say, he was and is in charge of his state.

This is all partisan political BS. liberal=good, conservative=bad. Nothing any of you say (except rockhound), goes against that. Never.

If



Cuomo wasn't a victim of early-days ignorance. By the time he issued his genocidal order, the entire world knew that the elderly were the most at risk. That was well known when that Mensa candidate deliberately sent that disease to nursing homes. But none of you are critical of him. And despite what you say, he was and is in charge of his state.r.



I love how you always fall back on the nursing home argument.

Nursing Homes & Assisted Living Facilities Account for 42% of COVID-19 Deaths

WHO do you blame for deaths not in New York


Ps At issue is a directive that Mr. Cuomo’s administration delivered in late March, effectively ordering nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients from hospitals.

The goal was to free up hospitals’ beds at a time when those facilities were being overwhelmed by fresh waves of virus patients

Yes Jim it was a bad decision but to suggest to suggest malicious intent.

Seems your hate is miss directed Trumps killed 200k by your own logic if i recall you blamed obama for for 12k deaths when you thought covid was BS like Trump .. now you acting all righteous its comical

Meanwhile back in the USA

Today there were 83,757 new coronavirus cases in the U.S., according to data from Johns Hopkins University — making this the highest single day of reported cases since the pandemic began.

Remember Americans don’t panic, Trump panicked.
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well...it IS flu season


looks like New York is trying to work it's way back into the top 10


Europe struggling with 2nd surge of COVID-19 case, and it may be worse than the 1st
The continent now accounts for 46% of global coronavirus cases.
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October 29, 2020, 5:01 AM

^^^^probably trump's fault

Don’t worry Covita won’t be left behind
We will be in the top ten before long and those rallies count
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To follow up on this three year view you seem to have, you can’t judge an administration on one, two or three years; it’s a four year term remember. So tax cuts that may have helped some have been spent to survive. We now have the highest unemployment and worse economy since the Great Depression. Vets expressing their disgust of numerous comments by Trump not sure he is viewed as positively by veterans as you think. Schools for the most part are closed and many if opened are closing again due to covid outbreaks. Report cards are for the entire term Jim, so grades aren’t passing, in fact they are failing grades but keep waving your Trump 2020 flag.

You want to make that fourth year to be considered simply the flow of a four year term. And that what happened economically in that final year was Trump's doing. You ignore what happened to the world economy during that time. All the other countries, including those you credit with handling the pandemic better than Trump, also had their economies tank, most even worse than ours. And now, still part of that fourth year, we are recovering from this worldwide economic disaster much faster and better than expected--a record 33% rise in GDP in the 3rd quarter and the unemployment rate, rather than rising dramatically as predicted, went down to almost half of what it was, and we have a V shaped recovery that signals a rapid recovery. As well, a vaccine is coming way sooner than it normally would, which would certainly help speed up the defeat of the virus.

That is not a failing grade. Nor were the first three years.

Covita is the incumbent and has not been over 45 percent in the polls since March. Incumbents are in trouble when they are under 50 percent going into an election. Covita is currently at 43 percent.

This is due to the fact Covita has been losing support from his base—seniors and whites with only a high school education. At the same time, he’s losing the swing voters who elected him last time Independents, suburban women, and whites with a college ed.

Covita is on the wrong side of COVID, which has been the dominant issue in this campaign for half a year. The public wants a practical plan to protect them from the ravages of this pandemic, to restart sustainable economic growth and return to normal.
Covita has not only misread that desire in the electorate, but has rejected that approach at every turn, vacillating instead between wishing COVID away and pretending that it was already gone.

You want to make that fourth year to be considered simply the flow of a four year term. And that what happened economically in that final year was Trump's doing. You ignore what happened to the world economy during that time. All the other countries, including those you credit with handling the pandemic better than Trump, also had their economies tank, most even worse than ours. And now, still part of that fourth year, we are recovering from this worldwide economic disaster much faster and better than expected--a record 33% rise in GDP in the 3rd quarter and the unemployment rate, rather than rising dramatically as predicted, went down to almost half of what it was, and we have a V shaped recovery that signals a rapid recovery. As well, a vaccine is coming way sooner than it normally would, which would certainly help speed up the defeat of the virus.

That is not a failing grade. Nor were the first three years.

Well Trump should be a shoe in then, you guys on the right have nothing to worry about.
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Well Trump should be a shoe in then, you guys on the right have nothing to worry about.
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No, just a rebuttal to what you said.

I love how you always fall back on the nursing home argument.

Nursing Homes & Assisted Living Facilities Account for 42% of COVID-19 Deaths

WHO do you blame for deaths not in New York


Ps At issue is a directive that Mr. Cuomo’s administration delivered in late March, effectively ordering nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients from hospitals.

The goal was to free up hospitals’ beds at a time when those facilities were being overwhelmed by fresh waves of virus patients

Yes Jim it was a bad decision but to suggest to suggest malicious intent.

Seems your hate is miss directed Trumps killed 200k by your own logic if i recall you blamed obama for for 12k deaths when you thought covid was BS like Trump .. now you acting all righteous its comical

ok einstein, everyone knew this disease was going to be brutal in the elderly. so not every elderly death, is someone’s fault.

but you don’t need to go to johns hopkins medical
school, to know it’s beyond stupid to force nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents. nursing homes aren’t hospitals, they’re not set up to triage or isolate those who need urgent care, that’s what hospitals do.

i work for a company that sellls
professional liability insurance to
nursing homes. i was on calls every day with lawyers and doctors and NY state legislators, we were all begging the state to reaching that idiotic order.

chino is t responsible for every death. he is absolutely, 100% responsible for a fair number of them. there was hospital sieve for those people, but oh no, he had to send them
to nursing homes.
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Internal Documents Reveal COVID-19 Hospitalization Data The Government Keeps Hidden


why would that be done?

The "liberals" you bitch about reacted early on in a negative way were NOT in charge .

Governor Cuomo was not the chief executive of the state of NY in January?

What the f^ck are you talking about?

Governor Cuomo was not the chief executive of the state of NY in January?

What the f^ck are you talking about?

Reacting to comments Pelosi made, pretty sure she isn't in charge of the white house or NY.

TRUMP sees laura Ingram with a mask on makining fun of her. Calling her wearing one politically correct..

Or Jr telling her like no ones dying of covid

If 1000 americans died a day from Islamic terrorist would Trump and Trump jr suggest , almost no ones dying?
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Reacting to comments Pelosi made, pretty sure she isn't in charge of the white house or NY.

You didn't limit your remark to Pelosi. You said the liberals I attacked weren't in charge.

Was Gov Cuomo the chief executive of NY when he ordered nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents?

What did Trump force people to do, which caused more deaths, than what Cuomo forced nursing homes to do?

HAVE FUN ANSERING THAT.

You didn't limit your remark to Pelosi. You said the liberals I attacked weren't in charge.

Was Gov Cuomo the chief executive of NY when he ordered nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents?

What did Trump force people to do, which caused more deaths, than what Cuomo forced nursing homes to do?

HAVE FUN ANSERING THAT.

Have fun answering why the messaging still to this day, with record numbers of new cases, continues to be outright lies and dangerous. Cuomo was presented with extreme conditions and overloaded hospitals and since I am not educated on all the details and parameters he had to consider, all I can say is I hope he had little choice. You keep looking for a win on this Covid issue, what could poor Trump have done differently, good god Jim how about NEVER lying to the American public. He has done so from the start (5 soon to be zero) and continues today, my arse we have turned the corner; I’m expected to just live with the virus and his ineptitude.

Today in one speech, Covita has:
- Called mask use "politically correct"
- Falsely claimed we're turning some corner
- Falsely claimed spike in cases is just more testing
- Dismissed importance of cases in young people
- Accused doctors of inflating death toll to get "more money"

But he's OK and he has your best interests at heart, or is it not his responsibility at all.

Detbuch enters stage left:

I’m expected to just live with the virus.



yes, until there is a vaccine you don't have much of a choice unless you want to lock yourself in your basement ...maybe do things to improve your immune system and overall health so you have a better chance at a good outcome if you do get it....we always hear about how fat and unhealthy Americans are as a whole.....that has sure shown up in the numbers

you should thank trump for fast tracking the vaccine effort.....

Have fun answering why the messaging still to this day, with record numbers of new cases, continues to be outright lies and dangerous. Cuomo was presented with extreme conditions and overloaded hospitals and since I am not educated on all the details and parameters he had to consider, all I can say is I hope he had little choice. You keep looking for a win on this Covid issue, what could poor Trump have done differently, good god Jim how about NEVER lying to the American public. He has done so from the start (5 soon to be zero) and continues today, my arse we have turned the corner; I’m expected to just live with the virus and his ineptitude.

You want to say he lied, fine, it's fair to hold him accountable. But tell me how his lies caused deaths?

"Cuomo was presented with extreme conditions and overloaded hospitals"

WHAT? The feds sent a massive hospital ship to NYC which wasn't needed. The feds converted the Javitts center to a hospital, and it wasn't needed.

What the actual f*ck are you talking about?

"I am not educated on all the details and parameters he had to consider"

No kidding! Yet with incomplete knowledge, you conclude that Cuomo did nothing wrong, and that Trump has 200,000 deaths on his hands.

Today in one speech, Covita has:
- - Falsely claimed we're turning some corner
-:

death rates are dropping. Is that not significant? Or are death statistics only meaningful to you, when you can use them against Trump?

Actually a vaccine is one part of the recommendations in the Pandemic Playbook that Covita threw in the trash.
If you read it you can easily see what was not done.
Now think what an aggressive approach to virus containment like South Korea did would have done for us, I'll let you do the math.

USA
Population 328 Million
Infected 9 Million
Dead 230 Thousand

South Korea
Population 52 Million
Infected 26 thousand
Dead 463 NO thousands

Both US and SK had first cases same day.

SK next day initiated public private partnership to fight the coming pandemic.

Covita didn't want to panic anyone..........

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

You want to say he lied, fine, it's fair to hold him accountable. But tell me how his lies caused deaths?

"Cuomo was presented with extreme conditions and overloaded hospitals"

WHAT? The feds sent a massive hospital ship to NYC which wasn't needed. The feds converted the Javitts center to a hospital, and it wasn't needed.

What the actual f*ck are you talking about?

"I am not educated on all the details and parameters he had to consider"

No kidding! Yet with incomplete knowledge, you conclude that Cuomo did nothing wrong, and that Trump has 200,000 deaths on his hands.

Here Jim see if you can understand this, I don’t care to research want happened in NY, I live in Mass and while I sympathize for their lives lost, I don’t care. What the f*ck does what Cuomo did have anything to do with Trumps incompetence, oh let me answer for you absolutely nothing.

Here Jim see if you can understand this, I don’t care to research want happened in NY,.

So with admittedly no clue what happened, you nonetheless conclude that Trump caused it all.

Brilliant.

So with admittedly no clue what happened, you nonetheless conclude that Trump caused it all.

Brilliant.

Are you dense, or just so obsessed with finding a Covid Trump win you read but don’t comprehend? NY has nothing to do with My opinion of Trumps handling of Covid and the messaging putting people at risk even today with all we know.

U.S. reports 100,000 coronavirus cases in 24 hours, setting world record
Sixteen states reported single-day records for new cases on Friday: Iowa, Kentucky, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Montana, Illinois, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Oregon, Kansas, Ohio, Colorado and Maine. And three states hit record deaths: Tennessee, Montana and New Mexico.
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U.S. reports 100,000 coronavirus cases in 24 hours, setting world record
Sixteen states reported single-day records for new cases on Friday: Iowa, Kentucky, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Montana, Illinois, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Oregon, Kansas, Ohio, Colorado and Maine. And three states hit record deaths: Tennessee, Montana and New Mexico.
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it's easy to set records in the first season of the league...(actually, we haven't even had a full season of play yet)

London (CNN) Concern is mounting in Europe as countries smash records for daily coronavirus cases and the World Health Organization warns that the daily death toll on the continent could reach five times its April peak within months.

it's easy to set records in the first season of the league...(actually, we haven't even had a full season of play yet)

London (CNN) Concern is mounting in Europe as countries smash records for daily coronavirus cases and the World Health Organization warns that the daily death toll on the continent could reach five times its April peak within months.

Yet countries with a strong national message and a population 100% on board with the plan to keep the virus in check are doing well, Australia a perfect example.

Europe is doing better. A lot better. Two European countries are ahead of the US in deaths/m. By the time you count 5-6 countries further, the death rate is half of US. And there are a lot more countries to count.

Your premise is flawed.
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Europe is doing better. A lot better. Two European countries are ahead of the US in deaths/m. By the time you count 5-6 countries further, the death rate is half of US. And there are a lot more countries to count.

Your premise is flawed.
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I didn't mention the death rate....

Yet countries with a strong national message and a population 100% on board with the plan to keep the virus in check are doing well, Australia a perfect example.

it's not 100% in Australia and they are arresting "peaceful protestors"...is that what you'd like to see?....

Trump fans possibly due to their denial of science or they just don't give a flying FK

Seem to not understand a low positivity rate equals things being open and
a resemblance or normalcy. Like school or inside dinning

they feel its easier to blame lockdowns On Government rather then taking any responsibility for their own or others behavior. But suggest hospitals and nurses are trying to make money Or a 25% POSITIVITY rate is a lie claiming more testing
Is the reason numbers are up, as if we stopped testing and just started again:deadhorse:

I didn't mention the death rate....

Ya you did
“ the World Health Organization warns that the daily death toll”
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U.S. reports 100,000 coronavirus cases in 24 hours, setting world record
Sixteen states reported single-day records for new cases on Friday: Iowa, Kentucky, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Montana, Illinois, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Oregon, Kansas, Ohio, Colorado and Maine. And three states hit record deaths: Tennessee, Montana and New Mexico.
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what’s happening to death rates?
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what’s happening to death rates?
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pete doesn't even recognize the difference between daily death toll and death rates so this might be a stumper for him...he'll just find the highest number on the page and blame trump

.he'll just find the highest number on the page and blame trump

bingo.
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what’s happening to death rates?
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Jared said they are practically nothing, the parents, sons, daughters or grandparents of the 1000+ daily dead will be comforted to know the dead mean practically nothing. No empathy ever from this entire family, cold hearted sob’s.
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Jared said they are practically nothing, the parents, sons, daughters or grandparents of the 1000+ daily dead will be comforted to know the dead mean practically nothing. No empathy ever from this entire family, cold hearted sob’s.
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i asked what happened to death rates. i asked, because they are dropping. you can’t concede that, until biden is sworn in, then watch how you all do a 180. shocker.
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No empathy ever from this entire family, cold hearted sob’s.
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why do they support school
choice and criminal justice reform? his is not a family that uses public schools, so it necessarily means they have empathy to advocate school
choice.

why did trump increase funding for black colleges? remember it was biden, it trump, who claimed to go to a black college.
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Big deal, their character is flawed every one, Jim I know you will defend them to the end, I can’t wait to see that family go back to reality TV where they belong.
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why do they support school
choice and criminal justice reform? his is not a family that uses public schools, so it necessarily means they have empathy to advocate school
choice.

why did trump increase funding for black colleges? remember it was biden, it trump, who claimed to go to a black college.
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School choice is a scam it has nothing to do with helping inner-city kids

Its smoke show to get federal and state funds to pay for religous schools and private schools
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Big deal, their character is flawed every one, Jim I know you will defend them to the end, I can’t wait to see that family go back to reality TV where they belong.
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we can’t all have perfect character like biden who is a plagiarist a liar with a rape charge against him and credible charges of corruption, and harris who sucked her way to the top in san francisco. yes sir, the party that worships bill clinton, who could spit in a petri dish and start a whole new civilization, has a lot to lecture me about character.

spare me the empty, fake concern for character.
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School choice is a scam it has nothing to do with helping inner-city kids

Its smoke show to get federal and state funds to pay for religous schools and private schools
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oh! that’s why poor people want it??!!
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School choice is a scam it has nothing to do with helping inner-city kids

Its smoke show to get federal and state funds to pay for religous schools and private schools
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you don’t even know what school choice is. it’s not about diverting public money elsewhere, it’s about letting me use my money as i see fit to help my kids.

what a concept!!
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we can’t all have perfect character like biden who is a plagiarist a liar with a rape charge against him and credible charges of corruption, and harris who sucked her way to the top in san francisco. yes sir, the party that worships bill clinton, who could spit in a petri dish and start a whole new civilization, has a lot to lecture me about character.

spare me the empty, fake concern for character.
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Lack of character is really the least of my concerns Jim, but keep believing this administration and its policies are really helping the majority of Americans and this planet. IF his policies were so good for the majority and his handling of Covid was the best any administration could do, please explain to me why it appears the majority of the voting public are about to kick him to the curb. We know it isn’t about character, because everyone knew what he was coming in.

Obviously Covita wants to get a head start on herd immunity

Eighteen Trump campaign rallies "ultimately resulted" in more than 30,000 incremental confirmed COVID-19 cases and "likely led to more than 700 deaths," researchers at Stanford University concluded in a study published yesterday.
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Yet countries with a strong national message and a population 100% on board with the plan to keep the virus in check are doing well, Australia a perfect example.

Australia had it's "second wave" already June-Sept...not a "perfect example"

AUGUST 22, 2 MONTHS AGO

Australia wrestles with coronavirus second-wave



September 9, 2020

A fall Covid-19 spike could be coming. (And it won't look like anything we've seen so far.)

John Brownstein, a Harvard Medical School professor and ABC News contributor, explained, "As the fall approaches, you have drier conditions. More people are spending more time indoors, so generally the virus is more efficient."

Brownstein also said infections may spike in the fall is because students who return to in-person classes will not be "practicing the same level of social distancing and mask wearing" as they did during initial waves of the epidemic.

But because we know more about addressing the disease, we may fare better, experts say

Australia had no new cases yesterday and we have Americans dying every two minutes and new projections have us at over 400,000 dead by February. Yet Trump is campaigning on this administration having beaten Covid and his idiot sons out saying those daily American deaths are nothing.

Australia had no new cases yesterday and we have Americans dying every two minutes and new projections have us at over 400,000 dead by February. Yet Trump is campaigning on this administration having beaten Covid and his idiot sons out saying those daily American deaths are nothing.

they are on the backside of their second wave,. actually beyond(Sept 22nd if you look at the graph)...we are in the middle of ours, along with Europe...do you not get that?

they are on the backside of their second wave,. actually beyond(Sept 22nd if you look at the graph)...we are in the middle of ours, along with Europe...do you not get that?

I guess the Trump family hasn't gotten that briefing, according to them it's behind us, we are around the corner heading for home and deaths are nothing.

I guess .....

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I'll give you a mulligan if you want one :hihi:

When “Fire Fauci” chants broke out, referring to the federal government’s top infectious disease expert, with whom he has clashed, Covita responded: “Don’t tell anybody, but let me wait ‘til a little bit after the election.”

Covita, two days before the election as he’s delivering his closing message, suggests he’ll fire Fauci - a career appointee who doesn’t work directly for him and who is massively popular - if he wins.
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Covid: White House accuses top scientist Fauci of 'playing politics'



Wow thats an amazing statement.. guess they dont listen to Trump at his rallies :kewl:

if he wins.

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don't fret little marxists...weekend at biden's is up by 57 points nationally and has an 99.7% chance of winning according to the experts...

Would this advice be coming from a little fascist?
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Would this advice be coming from a little fascist?
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you referring to Got Stripers?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post

"countries with a strong national message and a population 100% on board"

El Paso, Texas, Gets 4th Mobile Morgue As COVID-19 Deaths Rise


must be what rounding the corner looks like

Obviously rounding the corner

The United States reported 102,831 new coronavirus cases on Wednesday, the highest number of new cases in a single day since the pandemic began.

But, but, but, I was told that it was going away on November 4th. That it was all a hoax. That it was all the media. Covita said so.

Obviously rounding the corner

The United States reported 102,831 new coronavirus cases on Wednesday, the highest number of new cases in a single day since the pandemic began.

But, but, but, I was told that it was going away on November 4th. That it was all a hoax. That it was all the media. Covita said so.

Do death rates (which are dropping) matter at all? Or is all that matters, the number of people who get it?

Do death rates (which are dropping) matter at all? Or is all that matters, the number of people who get it?

the non-mask wearing conservative republican states of Illinios, Wisconsin and California occupied three of the top 4 spots for new cases yesterday...

Do death rates (which are dropping) matter at all? Or is all that matters, the number of people who get it?

Yes, it matters. The only two metrics that matter are not cases and deaths however.
Given the relatively high percentage of what seem to be longer term complications for many people, that aren't deadly but still serious, this deserves a fair amount of caution still.

And soon to come, COVID-19 as a pre-existing condition
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, this deserves a fair amount of caution still.

Agreed 100%. I'm responding to the kooks here who believe that overall case counts are all that matter.

The one voice of reason here on the left.

Agreed 100%. I'm responding to the kooks here who believe that overall case counts are all that matter.

I don't know anyone who thinks overall case counts are all that matter. Positivity rate is a big factor. You would think that with increased testing the positivity rate would be going down if the virus was under control but it's actually going up which is really bad.

You have to do testing along with tracking, isolation, hygiene and social distancing.

It has worked here in Vermont, even though there are some idiots around.

The magic vaccine will take awhile to arrive and longer yet to reduce the infections to a manageable level.

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear” is baloney.

If and that is a big if, we make a concerted effort it will likely take a year.

I don't know anyone who thinks overall case counts are all that matter. Positivity rate is a big factor. You would think that with increased testing the positivity rate would be going down if the virus was under control but it's actually going up which is really bad.

When has Pete posted about anything else?

Pretty hard to have one without the other.
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Covid immune response faster and stronger post-infection, scientists say:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/covid-immune-response-faster-and-stronger-post-infection-scientists-say/ar-BB1aJlMp?ocid=msnews

The World Health Organization (WHO) in Europe on Thursday said it was seeing an "explosion" of coronavirus cases in the region and warned of a "tough time" ahead as mortality rates rose.

Europe spans 53 countries, including Russia and countries in Central Asia, and on Thursday reported a total of over 12 million cases in the region, with nearly two million in the last seven days.
"We do see an explosion.... in the sense it only takes a couple of days to have over the European region an increase of one million cases," WHO's regional director for Europe Hans Kluge told AFP.

Pretty hard to have one without the other.
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That's brilliant.

You are looking for any statistic that trends bad, and holding that up as the definitive indicator.

How do you not have an increase in cases, as you expand testing? That's not a bad thing, is it?

liberal=good, conservative=bad, no exceptions, not ever.

liberal=good, conservative=bad, pete=crazy no exceptions, not ever.



fixed it

If Fox was still behind Trump, I'd be intensely concerned and predicting dire days ahead.

But since they're not, I'm only a little concerned. And most of my horror is for the long-term institutional damage that he's inflicting through his efforts to undermine American democracy.

Just keep loving him
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Jim haven't you told us you work with liabilitie insurance

If you used what ever model they use to forcast risk any increase in infection is
Naturally going to show an increase in deaths. That the law of probability

Its not a 1 to 1 ratio. And its not just due to an increasing due to testing we have never stopped testing. Its people have the virus 133k new cases yesterday

So kind of what pete was saying you can't have an increase in cases with out an increase in Deaths.

And to depend on therapeutics or trying to run out the clock betting on a vaccine hasn't worked to slow the spread and once again its impacts are rippling thru small business like restaurants gyms schools . Reduced infection rate is our solution in the short term

Jim haven't you told us you work with liabilitie insurance

If you used what ever model they use to forcast risk any increase in infection is
Naturally going to show an increase in deaths. That the law of probability

Its not a 1 to 1 ratio. And its not just due to an increasing due to testing we have never stopped testing. Its people have the virus 133k new cases yesterday

So kind of what pete was saying you can't have an increase in cases with out an increase in Deaths.

And to depend on therapeutics or trying to run out the clock betting on a vaccine hasn't worked to slow the spread and once again its impacts are rippling thru small business like restaurants gyms schools . Reduced infection rate is our solution in the short term

Had a BIL and his wife (Jeanne's youngest sister) come down with Covid-19. They were in Miriam Hospital Covid ICU for a week. Recovering now but they were VERY sick.
Fortunately we have been staying away from everyone.

Guess who’s got it along with eight or more other people in the White House and campaign

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said last Sunday that the US is "not going to control" the coronavirus pandemic, as cases surge across the country and nearly 225,000 Americans have died from the virus.

"We are not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation areas," Meadows told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."
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The World Health Organization (WHO) in Europe on Thursday said it was seeing an "explosion" of coronavirus cases in the region and warned of a "tough time" ahead as mortality rates rose.

The World Health Organization (WHO) in Europe on Thursday said it was seeing an "explosion" of coronavirus cases in the region and warned of a "tough time" ahead as mortality rates rose.

we should send biden immediately, he has a plan....then send him to that non-mask wearing conservative republican state of illinios....they are shattering records:shocked:


seems like we have more cases now...than we did in the spring when we were advised NOT to wear masks...could be wrong...just an observation

in RI we are currently double our daily cases compared to spring #'s with mask wearing....our mask mandate began in RI May 8th which was on the downside of the peak and when people were still resisting wearing masks...probably just the result of more testing right?

I still wear my mask when I'm out but I think the ridiculous overemphasis on masks(it makes you a good person virtue signaling) has led people to believe simply wearing a mask gives them immunity which clearly is not the case...

and...disposable masks and rubber gloves are the new cigarette butts

Don’t worry, the suburbs turn is coming

At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
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Don’t worry, the suburbs turn is coming

At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
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Anti-bodies is the goal. That's what vaccines provide. It's called herd immunity.

Hey I thought this virus was going away after the election, what happened to the conspiracy theory that this was a democratic hoax and death and infection rates were fabricated to hurt Trump.

Hey I thought this virus was going away after the election, .

Apparently it has, at least at CNN. Sounds like they’ve suddenly removed their corona stats tracker as soon as Biden decided he won....
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Apparently it has, at least at CNN. Sounds like they’ve suddenly removed their corona stats tracker as soon as Biden decided he won....
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CNN headlines

Analysis: Trump denies defeat. Biden launches pandemic plan

LIVE UPDATES This is who will sit on Biden's coronavirus board

Strategy: How Biden plans to change the US pandemic response

CNN headlines

Analysis: Trump denies defeat. Biden launches pandemic plan

LIVE UPDATES This is who will sit on Biden's coronavirus board

Strategy: How Biden plans to change the US pandemic response

yes...everything regarding covid will be spun as positive propoganda for biden going forward....



be thankful for Operation Warp Speed:uhuh:

Apparently it has, at least at CNN. Sounds like they’ve suddenly removed their corona stats tracker as soon as Biden decided he won....
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And Pfizer announced this morning that they had a vaccine that has proven 90% effective.
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And Pfizer announced this morning that they had a vaccine that has proven 90% effective.
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is that the biden vaccine????:) or is that the trump vaccine that kamala won't take because trump....wait...they are the same vaccine...I bet she's happy to mandate it now

is that the biden vaccine????:) or is that the trump vaccine that kamala won't take because trump....wait...they are the same vaccine...I bet she's happy to mandate it now

all it took was trump
to lose for the vaccine to be developed.
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Pfizer head of vaccine development Dr. Kathrin Jansen told the NY Times: “We were never part of the Warp Speed ... We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”

To make something clear here about Pfizer and Warp Speed: Pfizer had already sunk its own money into developing the vaccine before getting the July HHS contract. HHS simply bought up a quantity of production.

And from the Covid spreading administration that gets the good drugs:

Secretary Ben Carson attended the election night party at the White House and tested positive for COVID-19 this morning. His deputy chief of staff says he's "in good spirits & feels fortunate to have access to effective therapeutics which aid and markedly speed his recovery."

I hope they can satisfactorily disinfect the Whitehouse come January.

all it took was trump
to lose for the vaccine to be developed.
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This does nothing but sow distrust in the vaccine, meaning fewer Republicans will take it and more will die. All because the president's feelings are hurt.

This does nothing but sow distrust in the vaccine, meaning fewer Republicans will take it and more will die. All because the president's feelings are hurt.

Trump is celebrating it. what are you talking about?
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Trump is celebrating it. what are you talking about?
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I have been on calls all day w/ another at 1p.... :hidin:
Is he taking credit for it even though Pfizer specifically did not opt into 'Operation Warp Speed'

I hope it comes through, a long way to go for final testing and approval. Likely Q3 of next year before it is widely available. Hopefully sooner....

I have been on calls all day w/ another at 1p.... :hidin:
Is he taking credit for it even though Pfizer specifically did not opt into 'Operation Warp Speed'

I hope it comes through, a long way to go for final testing and approval. Likely Q3 of next year before it is widely available. Hopefully sooner....

i’m sure he is to some
extent. i was responding to paul’s
idiotic claim.
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Pfizer specifically did not opt into 'Operation Warp Speed'

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CNBC

Pfizer announced on July 22 that the U.S. agreed to buy 100 million doses of its vaccine for up to $1.95 billion. The agreement, part of the Trump administration’s vaccine program Operation Warp Speed, allows the U.S. to acquire an additional 500 million vaccine doses. Bourla said Monday the company is on track to produce up to 50 million vaccine doses in 2020, and up to 1.3 billion doses in 2021.
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I think we can understand the difference between research and manufacturing.

I think we can understand the difference between research and manufacturing.

I think we can figure out who is trying to spin
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I think we can understand the difference between research and manufacturing.

Correct.

this great news needs to be politicized?
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I think we can understand the difference between research and manufacturing.

Scott can't

Ben Carson got COVID. Carson attended the election night party Must be more fake COVID reporting
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Ben Carson got COVID. Carson attended the election night party Must be more fake COVID reporting
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You can get it a lot of places
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You can get it a lot of places
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but not from going to an Antifa riot or a BLM riot.
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Ben Carson got COVID. Carson attended the election night party Must be more fake COVID reporting
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has anyone ever said guy can’t get covid from going out to crowded places? no. so you’re responding to something that no one ever said.

what conservatives tend to say, is that it might be worth the risk
of covid to keep living our lives. that argument can be made.

if the liberal ideology guarantees better results, please explain why the numbers are obviously the worst in predominantly liberal
states?
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has anyone ever said guy can’t get covid from going out to crowded places? no. so you’re responding to something that no one ever said.

what conservatives tend to say, is that it might be worth the risk
of covid to keep living our lives. that argument can be made.

if the liberal ideology guarantees better results, please explain why the numbers are obviously the worst in predominantly liberal
states?
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Hot spots: Counties with the highest number of recent cases per resident, last seven days


Childress, Texas
Norton, Kan.
Jones, Iowa
Toole, Mont.
Calhoun, Iowa
Eddy, N.D.
Walsh, N.D.
Cavalier, N.D.
Dewey, S.D.
Hodgeman, Kan.

Scott can't

I’m pretty sure the main goal of warp speed was to help speed up the research and trials
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Hot spots: Counties with the highest number of recent cases per resident, last seven days


Childress, Texas
Norton, Kan.
Jones, Iowa
Toole, Mont.
Calhoun, Iowa
Eddy, N.D.
Walsh, N.D.
Cavalier, N.D.
Dewey, S.D.
Hodgeman, Kan.

how about inception to date? how about death rates? is it a coincidence you searches until you found a statistic that fits The Natrative, and you ignored statistics obviously more meaningful, because they didn’t tell the only story you can process?
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I’m pretty sure the main goal of warp speed was to help speed up the research and trials
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I support warp speed but Pfizer didn't participate in this aspect (don't know why).

how about inception to date? how about death rates? is it a coincidence you searches until you found a statistic that fits The Natrative, and you ignored statistics obviously more meaningful, because they didn’t tell the only story you can process?
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Are we treating the virus the same now as when it started? You know we aren't bc we have learned a lot so comparing death rates then and now in this way isn't correct - and you know that as an actuary. It seems those areas didn't learn anything from all the deaths in the areas that got hit the hardest early.

I support warp speed but Pfizer didn't participate in this aspect (don't know why).

if hurdles were lowered for everyone involved in research and trials, which I believe was the main aspect to get a product to market then they did participate or benefit....they chose not to take research funding but they benefitted in other ways and they needed to step up their game to stay in the race...as a result of warp speed...that's why they call it warp speed...I'm sure if we go back all of you were mocking the idea

Are we treating the virus the same now as when it started?

we are taking many more precautions yet in many of the areas where responsible democrats are wearing their masks and distancing it is exploding...weird

if you think about...the BEST thing that has happened for democrats this year is COVID...with all of the death and misery, democrats are the biggest beneficiary...that's pretty creepy

we are taking many more precautions yet in many of the areas where responsible democrats are wearing their masks and distancing it is exploding...weird

if you think about...the BEST thing that has happened for democrats this year is COVID...with all of the death and misery, democrats are the biggest beneficiary...that's pretty creepy

the virus and the media being willing to lie about it, we’re a gift to democrats, as was the subprime
mortgage crisis.

as usual, trump
didn’t help himself by acting so casual about it. his policies weren’t casual ( governors of CA and NY specifically praised him for helping them get what they needed, and those guys both hate him), but he appeared to downplay it in his words. the media fixated on that, and never reported in the things he did, getting hospital
ships where needed, converting the Javitts center to a hospital, getting respirators to hit spots, etc. zero reporting in that.
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how about inception to date? how about death rates? is it a coincidence you searches until you found a statistic that fits The Natrative, and you ignored statistics obviously more meaningful, because they didn’t tell the only story you can process?
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Because that doesn't get us out of it and your hero f'd it up
And I didn't search far at all

Infection last seven days is what counts if your goal is to reduce it and the only way you can is test, trace and isolate

Here is is by state

North Dakota 173.6
South Dakota 130.5
Iowa 110.9
Wisconsin 99.3
Nebraska 90.9
Wyoming 88.5
Montana 82.7
Minnesota 76.5
Illinois 72.3
Utah 71.8
Kansas 63.7
Idaho 63.5
Alaska 60.8
Indiana 60.1
Missouri 56.9
Colorado 52.7

Because that doesn't get us out of it and your hero f'd it up
And I didn't search far at all

Infection last seven days is what counts if your goal is to reduce it and the only way you can is test, trace and isolate

Here is is by state

North Dakota 173.6
South Dakota 130.5
Iowa 110.9
Wisconsin 99.3
Nebraska 90.9
Wyoming 88.5
Montana 82.7
Minnesota 76.5
Illinois 72.3
Utah 71.8
Kansas 63.7
Idaho 63.5
Alaska 60.8
Indiana 60.1
Missouri 56.9
Colorado 52.7

managing the death rate doesnt get us out of it?

if case count is what gets us out of it, we’re never going to be out of it. it’s like the flu, it’s not going away.
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if hurdles were lowered for everyone involved in research and trials, which I believe was the main aspect to get a product to market then they did participate or benefit....they chose not to take research funding but they benefitted in other ways and they needed to step up their game to stay in the race...as a result of warp speed...that's why they call it warp speed...I'm sure if we go back all of you were mocking the idea

You're entirely correct. Operation Warp Speed is not only about providing money for research, it consolidates a whole lot of steps and procedures that are normally required for the development of a vaccine in this country. It consolidates a usual 73 month process to completion into a 14 month one.

It reduces a usual 8 month process of R&D + preclinical trials vaccine candidate/s identified, and phase one clinical trials to a 5 month process.

It reduces a usual 44 month process of phase 2 and 3 clinical trials to a 6 month one.

And it reduces a usual 21 month process of manufacturing and distribution to a 3 month one.

Pfizer benefited from the regulatory consolidations and permissions to make this possible, otherwise it would have had to go through the pre Operation Warp Speed lengthy process.

Pfizer agreed to a OWS contract on July 22 and received a fast track designation. They definitely worked under and benefited from Operation Warp Speed even though they didn't accept up front money. And they do have a guaranteed 1.95 billion dollars for delivery of a successful vaccine.

Without some OWS kind of initiative, it would normally take several years to develope a vaccine.

You're entirely correct.

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I know, it would be great if the leftists could be even a little bit honest:spin:

It would have been great if he hadn't thrown the pandemic playbook in the trash and done the other steps outlined in it for control in addition to vaccine development.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

It would have been great if he hadn't thrown the pandemic playbook in the trash and done the other steps outlined in it for control in addition to vaccine development.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

dont forget he fired the head of the DOD

DOD takes lead role in Trump's 'Operation Warp Speed' vaccine effort

It would have been great if he hadn't thrown the pandemic playbook in the trash and done the other steps outlined in it for control in addition to vaccine development.


What did Trump not follow from the playbook? Biden said that he did not follow page 45 COMMUNITY MITIGATION MEASURES. And Obama claimed that Fauci recommended the five bullet point procedures for carrying out those community measures. But they did not point out, as the heading states, that they were not to be federal mandates, but recommendations for local community action. And that many communties had implemented those recommendations. And that Fauci said Trump did everything he asked him to do.

I tried reading the "playbook" but it was loaded with suggestions and questions in the form of agency jargon and doled out responsibilities to a host of government agencies but only two things specifically for the POTUS--declaring a national emergency, which Trump did, and disaster relief and emergency assistence, which Trump did.

I happened on this article re the "playbook" by Breitbart (I know . . . I know . . . everything Breitbart says is a lie . . . but I found its summarization to be pretty close to what I saw in the pages I read):

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/05/18/pollak-the-obama-biden-pandemic-playbook-is-less-than-advertised/

The people who work in and run government are pretty good at understanding agency “jargon” and just need a leader to push in the right direction.
The reason he lost is his failure to be forthright about the virus so that he wouldn’t “panic” people.

Just keep believing
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The people who work in and run government are pretty good at understanding agency “jargon” and just need a leader to push in the right direction.
The reason he lost is his failure to be forthright about the virus so that he wouldn’t “panic” people.

Just keep believing


So what did he not push? He was extremely forthright in implementing policies which obviously indicated to anybody with a brain that he took it seriously. As for his supposedly "downplaying" it, everybody did, including the WHO, the Dems, the Press, Dr. Fauci, which obviously includes those who would know as much as Trump about the severity. Even Biden in those early days warned us not to panic about the virus.

Obviously, you need to believe that Trump's effort to avoid panic was the sole responsibility for our death total, even though he was criticized for his early travel ban, and that Dems were saying that it was OK to gather in groups without masks or social distancing.

You latch on to that notion like a dog with a bone--with the same lack of thought that the dog would employ. But that is a generous characterization. The more insidious truth is that you know what you are doing.

So what did he not push? He was extremely forthright in implementing policies which obviously indicated to anybody with a brain that he took it seriously. His public statements did not reflect that As for his supposedly "downplaying" it, everybody did, including the WHO, the Dems, the Press, Dr. Fauci, which obviously includes those who would know as much as Trump about the severity. No, Trump never was the leader in the fight against Covid-19. Even Biden in those early days warned us not to panic about the virus. Perhaps he made the incorrect assumption that this administration was acting in the best interest of the American people, not Tweety's reelection campaign.

Obviously, you need to believe that Trump's effort to avoid panic was the sole responsibility for our death total, even though he was criticized for his early travel ban, He was criticized for not doing enough and thinking that just sort of closing a border would be enough and that Dems were saying that it was OK to gather in groups without masks or social distancing. The Democrats were following the guidance of Tweety's agencies, that you sometimes claim he was in charge of and other times say they were totally independent.

You latch on to that notion like a dog with a bone--with the same lack of thought that the dog would employ. But that is a generous characterization. The more insidious truth is that you know what you are doing.

Meanwhile, you repeat the party line.

Currently the Con man in the White House is financing his career after this with arms deals to the UAE. Odd that deal was the day he fired Esper and put Miller and Tata in.

Pfizer partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March and the following month announced the first human study in Germany. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May.

Pfizer partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March and the following month announced the first human study in Germany. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May.

Operation Warp Speed vastly sped up the total process.

Operation Warp Speed works very well

The U.S. has surpassed 1 million new confirmed coronavirus cases in just the first 10 days of November.
And from the administration?
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Operation Warp Speed works very well


Yes it has worked well. Just like Biden planned.