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"Every day I see divisive comments from both parties but FAR MORE from the Rs who have given themselves over to Trump and his classlessness."

Because you watch news you agree with.

Foxnews will show liberals saying mean things, and never show conservatives saying divisive things. Everyone else does the opposite.

So I have no idea how to quantify who does it more, though Trump isn't helping my side in this statistic for sure.

But that's why the right went with Trump. The right had previously nominated decent men who were unfairly attacked. George Bush was a racist and a Nazi (despite doing more to help Africa than any human being who has ever lived), McCain was a senile old racist, Romney was a heartless plutocrat who hated women. When the left keeps throwing cheap elbows, I'm sorry, but don't clutch your pearls when the right nominates someone who is also comfortable fighting with brass knuckles.

Nobody other than Trump could have beaten Hilary - nobody.

If you want a return to civility, I'm all for it. But both sides have to be civil, not just the right. The right appears to be done fighting with velvet gloves while the left uses brass knuckles. The left enjoyed that advantage for many years, and it's over.

"It was the very next day and if you look who was crying for an apology it was people like Trump and K. Conway."

She got CREAMED for saying it. It may have cost her the election. And she deserved it.

"Yes, I would. if it was sincere."

None of them are sincere.

"1st time I've heard that."

You've never heard anyone describe an anti-abortion person as wanting to control women, wanting to take away their choices, being anti-choice, waging war on women? Never?

Come on.

I have never, not once, seen a liberal not do that, when discussing abortion.

Pete just did it.

I'm going to try and talk to you like an adult here, let's see how it goes...

"Abortion opponents, some of whom are conservative, think that other people are required to conform to their beliefs."

Wrong.

Every single criminal law on the books, is an attempt by society (not just anti abortion people) to get others to comply with rules of conduct. Abortion is not unique in this regard, in any way. Liberals just frame it this way, because that's a lot easier for them, than honestly debating what my side is saying.

Pete, are you OK with laws which saw that women can not hurt someone else?

I assume you are. And on that point, you and I agree.

The only topic on which we disagree (therefore, the only issue that actually matters here) is whether or not the unborn baby represents "someone else".

There are all kinds of laws that limit what women can do with their bodies. They can't inject heroin, female teachers cannot be involved with male students, etc...Yet you are OK with those laws. You are OK with all kinds of laws which limit the choices women can make.

Because you agree that women can make whatever choices they want, as long as they don't harm someone else.

So the debate has absolutely nothing to do with women's rights, or choice, or any of that other nonsense...it has everything to do with whether or not the baby is "someone else".

That's literally all that matters.

Your belief, which you want to impose on everyone else is that life begins s at some artificial point prior to birth.
The debate has everything to do with your desire to require other people to conform to your belief and in doing so taking away their right to their own beliefs.

I'm old enough to remember discussions about JFK being a papist and concern about Catholics gaining power and imposing their beliefs on the rest of Americans. I'm beginning see their concerns come true with 7 Catholic Justices.

Your belief, which you want to impose on everyone else is that life begins s at some artificial point prior to birth.
The debate has everything to do with your desire to require other people to conform to your belief and in doing so taking away their right to their own beliefs.

I'm old enough to remember discussions about JFK being a papist and concern about Catholics gaining power and imposing their beliefs on the rest of Americans. I'm beginning see their concerns come true with 7 Catholic Justices.

again, using your logic, every single criminal law then, is imposing ones belief
into another.

saying life begins at conception isn’t arbitrary. That’s the beginning.

saying life begins at any other point is arbitrary. because the baby is no different from one moment to the next. there’s only one moment when something spectacular happens, when something gets created that wasn’t there before. after that it’s a long, slow, continuous process.

again, every single criminal
law law limits choices. nothing unique about abortion in that regard.
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Your belief, which you want to impose on everyone else is that life begins s at some artificial point prior to birth.



do you have children?

again, using your logic, every single criminal law then, is imposing ones belief
into another.

saying life begins at conception isn’t arbitrary. That’s the beginning.

saying life begins at any other point is arbitrary. because the baby is no different from one moment to the next. there’s only one moment when something spectacular happens, when something gets created that wasn’t there before. after that it’s a long, slow, continuous process.

again, every single criminal
law law limits choices. nothing unique about abortion in that regard.
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No, my belief and that of many other Americans is that life does not begin at conception.

I believe that life begins at birth.
You don’t believe that and think that everyone must believe what you do.
Most Americans don’t believe they have the right to make that decision for others, even if they would not make that choice themselves.
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do you have children?

Likely more than you
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I believe that life begins at birth.

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so you didn't consider you children to be life, prior to their birth?

No, my belief and that of many other Americans is that life does not begin at conception.

I believe that life begins at birth.
You don’t believe that and think that everyone must believe what you do.
Most Americans don’t believe they have the right to make that decision for others, even if they would not make that choice themselves.
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our laws against child rape, are an example of imposing our will, on those who are on with child rape.

if you want to say that many more people support abortion than support child rape, of course you’re right.

But every single law limits choices and imposes will. So it’s not a valid argument, it makes no legitimate point.

When do you say life begins?
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so you didn't consider you children to be life, prior to their birth?

Not yet
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our laws against child rape, are an example of imposing our will, on those who are on with child rape.

if you want to say that many more people support abortion than support child rape, of course you’re right.

But every single law limits choices and imposes will. So it’s not a valid argument, it makes no legitimate point.

When do you say life begins?
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Now you’re equating rape with abortion?

Reading is not your strong point
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Not yet
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have you ever seen a sonogram or felt a kick?

"Tucker Carlson, amazingly, on Fox News, said that he would choose Russia over Ukraine"

Show me the quote, please.

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris was a Bill Clinton strategist. Then Foxnews paid him good money to bash democrats, so he did that. Then Fox fired him, so now hes mad at them.

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris will say anything that anyone is willing to pay him to say. He's what you might call "available". That doesn't mean Tucker didn't say what he claims. But I'd like to see the quote. If you don't mind.


Can I see the entire quote #^&#^&#^&#^& Morris was referring to?

"missing the point

I see the point very clearly. The point is, this is another loser of an issue for Biden. Rather than discuss what the currently president is doing, you'd rather share quotes of has-beens saying dumb things. You're all desperately trying to shift attention away from Biden, and focus on GOP has beens.

Tucker Carlson isn't a has-been. But please share that quote. Sorry, I'm not taking #^&#^&#^&#^& Morris' word for it.

I've seen Tucker say America has a lot to lose in this conflict, and that Ukraine isn't so vital to us to be worth hurting American interests. I haven't seen Tucker say he "would choose Russia over Ukraine".

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris will say anything that anyone is willing to pay him

And there you go again making excuses

But you’ll still vote for Trump ..

That says alot
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#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris will say anything that anyone is willing to pay him

And there you go again making excuses

But you’ll still vote for Trump ..

That says alot
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"#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris will say anything that anyone is willing to pay him

And there you go again making excuses "

You call the truth "an excuse", when the truth doesn't fit your agenda.

"But you’ll still vote for Trump"

Not in the republican primary. But if he wins the primary, you bet I'll vote for him , as I voted for Bill Clinton even though he's a deeply corrupt scumbag.

If character matters so much to you, who'd you vote for in 2016? You wrote someone in, I assume? Because don't tell me Hilary is all that virtuous. But you're fine with being immoral, as long as it's a democrat.

I believe that life begins at birth.

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Please tell us, why that belief is less arbitrary than my belief that it begins at conception?

You believe abortion is OK then, even in the 9th month. Lots of folks disagree with that.

Not yet
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So if you and your wife were expecting, Nursery is all painted, just had the baby shower with family and friends. And then Your wife gets taken out by a drunk driver, you lose both her and the baby.

You're telling me you would only mourn the loss of your wife, because the baby was never really here?

I'm calling :bs: on that.
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Wow we went off the rails on this thread, but hey I'll chime into the Ukraine thread going all in on abortion rights. I'm all in for woman's choice up to a point in any pregnancy, but some of the laws are now being structured to put that point well ahead of most women even realizing they are pregnant. I also feel extremely strongly that in certain circumstances, the time line should be more flexible, especially when it comes to rape and incest.

The only time you see any empathy claimed from supposed conservatives is for the “unborn”
Once anyone’s alive it’s tough love….
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The only time you see any empathy claimed from supposed conservatives is for the “unborn”
Once anyone’s alive it’s tough love….
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That's an extremely extreme opinion. One might say it's extremely full of $hit.

That's an extremely extreme opinion. One might say it's extremely full of $hit.

Brilliant and eloquent as always
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Brilliant and eloquent as always
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Damn I'm good!!!!! I wasn't trying to be eloquent.

The only time you see any empathy claimed from supposed conservatives is for the “unborn”
Once anyone’s alive it’s tough love….
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https://youtu.be/fmMvsAjCkog

The only time you see any empathy claimed from supposed conservatives is for the “unborn”
Once anyone’s alive it’s tough love….
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so effing stupid.

conservatives have been shown to be slightly more charitable than liberals, despite being less wealthy.

this is based on data, been discussed here many many times.

how does that reconcile with your nonsensical babble?

you’re a complete utter waste of time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

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so effing stupid.

conservatives have been shown to be slightly more charitable than liberals, despite being less wealthy.

this is based on data, been discussed here many many times.

how does that reconcile with your nonsensical babble?

you’re a complete utter waste of time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

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Carlin was correct

Brilliant, one assessment that you’ve claimed as gospel for years.

Proof is scarce for your claims
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Proof is scarce for your claims

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this is ironic coming with someone with your claims and "beliefs"

i’m stunned Putin did this, but John R correctly saw it coming awhile ago.

God help those people.
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Russia is probably coming this time. Each time RUS flocks to the border they bring more stuff and leave some behind before coming back. Does it happen now (possible) or in late Feb after the Beijing Olympics and Xi goes after Taiwan? Neither are outside the realm of possibility.

I am so glad that the adults are back in charge in the US because they told me this would not happen.

Interesting read; https://nationalinterest.org/feature/not-drill-putin%E2%80%99s-going-ukraine-time-198365

yup...nailed it

He’s afraid of Biden....



clearly terrified....

yup...nailed it

he absolutely nailed it.
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clearly terrified....

and he didn’t nail it.
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yup...nailed it




I also said Xi might go after Taiwan, hope that part is not flushed out.

This is the culmination of a decade and a half of bad leadership. Congress, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden. This is lack of serious thought by most politicians in Europe and the USA, particularly from the far left that shrugged shoulders and ignored all the signs.

So yes, Obama, the 80s had been calling the entire time, leaving all kinds of calling cards. We'll be lucky to live through it and the world will be vastly different in the next decade.

.

So yes, Obama, the 80s had been calling the entire time, leaving all kinds of calling cards. We'll be lucky to live through it and the world will be vastly different in the next decade.

oh, so you’re a racist….
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oh, so you’re a racist….
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I'm getting used to being called that. DILLIGAF?

so effing stupid.

conservatives have been shown to be slightly more charitable than liberals, despite being less wealthy.and much of that goes to their churches and private schools as we've discussed many, many times.

this is based on data, been discussed here many many times.

how does that reconcile with your nonsensical babble?

you’re a complete utter waste of time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

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NM

And pray for the people of Ukraine.

And pray for the people of Ukraine.




Yes.

NM

"and much of that goes to their churches and private schools "

And much of what gets donated to churches, goes to help the needy. I'm sorry if that's going too fast for you.

If you remove every cent that conservatives give to churches, what would it show, Paul? Would it show that conservatives don't give anything? Or would it, at worst, show that conservatives are nearly as generous as liberals?

The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental source of charitable services, in the world, I believe. Giving to churches, isn't mutually exclusive from giving to charity.

And I'm sure plenty of liberal donations go to the massive endowments at elite universities who don't need the money, and aren't spending it to help anybody. But you don't care about that.

Just show me some evidence, any evidence, that conservatives stop caring after a baby is born?

I'll wait.

I'm getting used to being called that. DILLIGAF?

You called this before I heard a single person anywhere call it.

I was sure he was bluffing to strike a deal where we didn't let Ukraine in NATO. I was 100% wrong once again.

"and much of that goes to their churches and private schools "

And much of what gets donated to churches, goes to help the needy. I'm sorry if that's going too fast for you.

If you remove every cent that conservatives give to churches, what would it show, Paul? Would it show that conservatives don't give anything?You're reading comprehension sucks. Or would it, at worst, show that conservatives are nearly as generous as liberals?But you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here.

The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental source of charitable services, in the world, I believe. Giving to churches, isn't mutually exclusive from giving to charity.Did anyone say it was you idiot?

And I'm sure plenty of liberal donations go to the massive endowments at elite universities who don't need the money, and aren't spending it to help anybody. But you don't care about that. Endowments are used to help keep tuiton down you idiot.

Just show me some evidence, any evidence, that conservatives stop caring after a baby is born?Their actions show it everyday. The idea that liberals want Blacks (and it is amazing how much you focus on blacks here - or use the word "urban" which to you means the same) to have more babies so they can "make" more money off the babies show loud and clear that you are a scummy person.

I'll wait.

Ok here it. When I donate my dues to my church and they paint the walls it isn't benefiting poor people. When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

Ric Grenell: Biden Failed, Diplomacy Failed


Germany, President Joe Biden, and his State Department all share in the blame, Grenell told Schmitt

and not a single world of criticism for Putin :btu:

Ok here it. When I donate my dues to my church and they paint the walls it isn't benefiting poor people. When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

"you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here."

The data shows it to be true, and I post it when someone makes the absurd claim that conservatives don't care about helping people. It's a fairly on-point response.

Again, I am sorry that you missed that, I will try to slow down for you.

Ok here it. When I donate my dues to my church and they paint the walls it isn't benefiting poor people. When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

Please tell me which good charitable organizations, have no expenses?

Good lord man...

If your church is hoarding its donations instead of using them to help people, that's an issue for your church.

You called this before I heard a single person anywhere call it.

I was sure he was bluffing to strike a deal where we didn't let Ukraine in NATO. I was 100% wrong once again.

Do you not think the administration or Nato didn't figure Putin was going to Invade they Knew .. but diplomacy must run its course

But again we get the unusual response from Republican and Conservatives "weakness " besides a military response I am not sure what they expect the U.S.A or the world to do besides what they did and are now doing ..

and none of them seem to be laying out What they would be doing .

Ric Grenell: Biden Failed, Diplomacy Failed


Germany, President Joe Biden, and his State Department all share in the blame, Grenell told Schmitt

and not a single world of criticism for Putin :btu:

Grenell...

"You've got to have consequences for bad behavior and I would arm the Ukrainians

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/24/ric_grennel_im_moved_into_the_pissed_off_phase_on_ foreign_policy_after_all_the_work_trump_did.html

"you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here."

The data shows it to be true, and I post it when someone makes the absurd claim that conservatives don't care about helping people. It's a fairly on-point response.

Again, I am sorry that you missed that, I will try to slow down for you.
So show me a study that says conservatives are more generous when it ISN"T self serving charities. That is what matters you idiot.

Please tell me which good charitable organizations, have no expenses?

Good lord man...

If your church is hoarding its donations instead of using them to help people, that's an issue for your church.

So does your church have a meeting hall or anything sponsored by the church for the parishioners? That is self serving and doesn't benefit anyone other than themselves.

So show me a study that says conservatives are more generous when it ISN"T self serving charities. That is what matters you idiot.

Again, maybe your church is self serving. That sounds like an issue for you.

The data clearly shows that conservatives care plenty about people after they are born.

Do you not think the administration or Nato didn't figure Putin was going to Invade they Knew ..



this an impressive sentence...

Again, maybe your church is self serving. That sounds like an issue for you.

The data clearly shows that conservatives care plenty about people after they are born.

paul's church maintains it's property so all churches must be bad...government never wastes money intended to help the poor....you idiot :laughs:...

he's very snarky...

So does your church have a meeting hall or anything sponsored by the church for the parishioners? That is self serving and doesn't benefit anyone other than themselves.

For the second time, yes my church has meaningful expenses. Can you give me a list of charities that have zero expenses please?

Rent, utilities, logistics and infastructure and such cannot be paid for with hugs and fairy dust, I am sorry to break that to you, I assumed even you already knew that. Obviously I was wrong.

I also said Xi might go after Taiwan, hope that part is not flushed out.



next....

paul's church maintains it's property so all churches must be bad...
...

That's literally his entire argument.

The question for me is, why bother. There is no answer, other than there's no fishing to be done yet...

You called this before I heard a single person anywhere call it.

I was sure he was bluffing to strike a deal where we didn't let Ukraine in NATO. I was 100% wrong once again.




The likelihood and motive has been clear as day for years. I did not come up with any of this but I follow people smarter than me that have been warning of the increasing danger of this since 2008.

It merely depended on a sliding scale of reduced capability of the members of NATO, particularity the US and Germany, and the increased of capability of RUS/PRC. It also required the same inversion of will.

When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?



poor people don't use gyms?

.

there's no fishing to be done yet...

soon...

Do you not think the administration or Nato didn't figure Putin was going to Invade they Knew .. but diplomacy must run its course

But again we get the unusual response from Republican and Conservatives "weakness " besides a military response I am not sure what they expect the U.S.A or the world to do besides what they did and are now doing ..

and none of them seem to be laying out What they would be doing .

Other than arming Ukraine earlier, I can't think of anything.

But again, Putin had some reason to not do this when Trump was president, and to feel like now is the time. Maybe he senses dementia and weakness like most people do, and that's what he's counting on.

I can't think of a reason why Putin is doing this now, that's not a criticism of Biden.

12\23 I honestly think Putin was going to invade even if Trump won the election. due to Trump losing the election and with that lost went his free pass . He never Feared Trumps reaction. But now a NATO under a unified front he had to change gears . Being out of Afghanistan has only improved the US and NATO position to re deploy Troops and equipment…. And we have not treaty obligations with Ukraine
12\31

Back to Ukraine for a minute why is every conservatives talking head or Congress member cheering for Putin to invade Ukraine? Instead of getting behind the POTUS and show a United front towards Russia, when they know
Biden or Trump would have used force ..

Rep. Budd to Newsmax: Russian Aggression Due to 'Weakness' From Biden

that Russia would not be threatening to invade Ukraine if former President Donald Trump was still in office, attributing reports of their offensive to "weakness in the way that Biden has led."
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1/28 Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

2-18 "Just because there's Russian buildup does not mean that we know or that there is a plan to actually invade," "I think this has just been an emotional push by the Americans

Grenell said Thursday during an appearance on Newsmax's "Spicer & Co."

Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "In fact, some people are saying, 'Why didn't this take place over the last four years during our administration?' And it didn't for a very good reason and I'll explain that to you someday

LOL

Again, maybe your church is self serving. That sounds like an issue for you.

The data clearly shows that conservatives care plenty about people after they are born.

But they consistently try to cut funding for child care when elected. Am I going too fast for you?

Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "In fact, some people are saying, 'Why didn't this take place over the last four years during our administration?' And it didn't for a very good reason and I'll explain that to you someday

LOL

Do you think Putin threw a dart at a calendar and decided to invade on whatever day it landed on?

Or is there a reason in his mind, which makes sense to him, as to why he did it now?

For the second time, yes my church has meaningful expenses. Can you give me a list of charities that have zero expenses please?

Rent, utilities, logistics and infastructure and such cannot be paid for with hugs and fairy dust, I am sorry to break that to you, I assumed even you already knew that. Obviously I was wrong.

It goes beyond that you idiot. Am I going too fast for you?

You're reading comprehension sucks.

But you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here.

Did anyone say it was you idiot?

Endowments are used to help keep tuiton down you idiot.

Their actions show it everyday. The idea that liberals want Blacks (and it is amazing how much you focus on blacks here - or use the word "urban" which to you means the same) to have more babies so they can "make" more money off the babies show loud and clear that you are a scummy person.

How's that you idiot?

So show me a study that says conservatives are more generous when it ISN"T self serving charities. That is what matters you idiot.

It goes beyond that you idiot. Am I going too fast for you?


Just wanted to save this so I have some solid examples of what adding constructive dialog to the conversation looks like. :rolleyes:

Yeah, all Trumps fault the country is so divided :rolleyes:
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But they consistently try to cut funding for child care when elected. Am I going too fast for you?

unnecessary child care.

Just wanted to save this so I have some solid examples of what adding constructive dialog to the conversation looks like. :rolleyes:

Yeah, all Trumps fault the country is so divided :rolleyes:
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Remember TDF, I am the angry one.

Rudy Giuliani to Newsmax: 'Incompetent' Biden Looks Like 'Weakling, Dope'

no criticism of Putin Playing to the GOP Base

Do you think Putin threw a dart at a calendar and decided to invade on whatever day it landed on?

Or is there a reason in his mind, which makes sense to him, as to why he did it now?

its winter frozen ground good for Tanks no leaves on trees no concealment


But the I see you avoided what Trump said

I am still looking at what actions Trump or Republicans (besides the timing of Sanctions which themselves say wouldn't have stopped Him ) beyond Boots on the Ground would have stopped Him .. we have Trump's answer "Trump calls Russia-Ukraine crisis a 'European problem'" and in 2016 Trump He buys into Russian President Vladimir Putin's ridiculous theory that Ukraine is not a "real country. Ukraine as so universally corrupt that he Trumps paints Ukraine's new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, with this same brush of false allegations
and wait for it Trump didn't want Ukraine in NATO


I am convinced he Putin took these actions because Trump Lost the election . who would have given Putin what he wanted "No NATO in Ukraine " and other security guarantees



These Conservatives Are Defending Russia In Ukraine Crisis—And Trump Leads The Way

://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/02/23/these-conservatives-are-defending-russia-in-ukraine-crisis-and-trump-leads-the-way/?sh=dd2cfec78cf9

Endowments are used to help keep tuiton down you idiot.


I looked it up.

Harvard's endowment is $53 billion.

It's annual tuition plus room and board is $74,528.

They have 23,000 kids.

They could not charge a penny for tuition for any of those kids, and the endowment wouldn't run out for decades, and that's if it earned zero interest.

Yeah, that endowment is really keeping tuition down, Paul, you sure showed me..

its winter frozen ground good for Tanks no leaves on trees no concealment


But the I see you avoided what Trump said

So there were no winters in Russia from 2017 - 2021? Because Trump caused global warming, right??!!

Trump is an idiot. Fair enough?

Just wanted to save this so I have some solid examples of what adding constructive dialog to the conversation looks like. :rolleyes: Why should anyone here take his or your insults?

Yeah, all Trumps fault the country is so divided :rolleyes:
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Feel free. But what do you add other than calling people dumb or trying to insult people with memes?

So what exactly do you add here?

Remember TDF, I am the angry one.

You are. Every post (slight exageration) has insults. Why do you think anyone here should take your classless insults?

I looked it up.

Harvard's endowment is $53 billion.

It's annual tuition plus room and board is $74,528.

They have 23,000 kids.

They could not charge a penny for tuition for any of those kids, and the endowment wouldn't run out for decades, and that's if it earned zero interest.

Yeah, that endowment is really keeping tuition down, Paul, you sure showed me..

Again, you demonstrate your lack of intelligence so I'll help you by not going so fast:



About a third of Harvard’s annual operating budget comes from the endowment; last year, it contributed around $1.7 billion to Harvard, or over a third of the University’s entire operating budget. That spending supports all the vital functions of the University, from professorships to the library collection to financial aid. Harvard’s 12 schools are funded by the endowment to different extents: The Faculty of Arts and Sciences, for example, receives about 50 percent of its funding from the endowment, while the School of Public Health—many of its expenses provided for by a $350 million gift from 2014—takes only about 15 percent of its budget from the endowment.


Edit - and remember when you couldn't understand how E. Warren's Harvard pay wasn't paid for by student's tuition bc it was an endowed chair. It was like you had no understanding of what an endowed chair was.

And let's not forget the idiotic statement about trying to compare church's charity (maybe 3-5% of donations?) to what say the American Red Cross provides - prob. 85% - 95% of donations.

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Feel free. But what do you add other than calling people dumb or trying to insult people with memes?

So what exactly do you add here?

The exact same quality of content that you do.

All you really do is come here to pick a fight with Jim, that's been pretty much it.
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So there were no winters in Russia from 2017 - 2021? Because Trump caused global warming, right??!!

no but Trump was in Office ( And that's the issue because he was in office !)

I am convinced he Putin took these actions because Trump Lost the election . who would have given Putin what he wanted "No NATO in Ukraine " and other security guarantees

Trump is an idiot. Fair enough?

Global warming LOL

[/COLOR]1223171]The exact same quality of content that you do. No, You hardly ever post anything at all related to the subject.

All you really do is come here to pick a fight with Jim, that's been pretty much it.
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no, I make a counter arguement. You pretty much only make insults.

Whatever Paul, you do you :rolleyes:
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Again, you demonstrate your lack of intelligence so I'll help you by not going so fast:



About a third of Harvard’s annual operating budget comes from the endowment; last year, it contributed around $1.7 billion to Harvard, or over a third of the University’s entire operating budget. That spending supports all the vital functions of the University, from professorships to the library collection to financial aid. Harvard’s 12 schools are funded by the endowment to different extents: The Faculty of Arts and Sciences, for example, receives about 50 percent of its funding from the endowment, while the School of Public Health—many of its expenses provided for by a $350 million gift from 2014—takes only about 15 percent of its budget from the endowment.


Edit - and remember when you couldn't understand how E. Warren's Harvard pay wasn't paid for by student's tuition bc it was an endowed chair. It was like you had no understanding of what an endowed chair was.

And let's not forget the idiotic statement about trying to compare church's charity (maybe 3-5% of donations?) to what say the American Red Cross provides - prob. 85% - 95% of donations.

So it's OK when rich liberals donate to Harvard, which uses those donations to pay Liz Warren $400,000 a year to teach one class.

But when your church maintains its buildings, that means it's not really a worthwhile charity.

So what you're really saying is, "it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it".

Whatever Paul, you do you :rolleyes:
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and you do you - :rotf3:

So it's OK when rich liberals donate to Harvard, which uses those donations to pay Liz Warren $400,000 a year to teach one class.They can give it to whomever the law allows. Just as you and I can give to a church.

But when your church maintains its buildings, that means it's not really a worthwhile charity.

So what you're really saying is, "it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it".

No clown, let me take it step by step bc you can't seem to grasp anything. I'll go nice and slow.

You frequently claim that cons. give more than liberals. I always tell you that lot of it has to do with their giving it to churches which is somewhat self serving. You claim churches provide charity and I showed you that the vast majority of $ donated to churches goes to the church and very little goes to actually benefit a non member vs the vast majority donated to Red Cross which goes to people in need.

So I never claimed giving $ to churches was bad like the snarky troll claimed and which you agreed with or "that it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it" but to show you that a lot of the donations is somewhat self serving and your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong and they prob. give the same $%.

As usual, the poor dictim is crying about how liberals are hurting him.

In real terms, Harvard is a conservative place. Everyone who attends worked hard to get into there. Students like money and they like success. They place a great deal of focus on hard work and business connections. They understand the importance of preexisting institutions and don't attempt to alter that. Students at Harvard work within the current system; that is what conservatism means.

Of course if the standard bearer of what you claim is conservative america is a con man..........

Whatever Paul, you do you :rolleyes:
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and you do you - :rotf3:

I thought you guys were claiming to imitate Joe Rogan

no, I make a counter arguement.



that's an interesting description....

As usual, the poor dictim is crying about how liberals are hurting him.

In real terms, Harvard is a conservative place. Everyone who attends worked hard to get into there. Students like money and they like success. They place a great deal of focus on hard work and business connections. They understand the importance of preexisting institutions and don't attempt to alter that. Students at Harvard work within the current system; that is what conservatism means.

Of course if the standard bearer of what you claim is conservative america is a con man..........

"Students at Harvard work within the current system; that is what conservatism means."

Except for the kids who deserve to get in but don't, because of their skin color.

"the poor victim is crying about how liberals are hurting him."

Let's be very clear...you are making me crack up, you are not, and can not, hurt me. You're a source of entertainment.

So I never claimed giving $ to churches was bad like the snarky troll claimed and which you agreed with or "that it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it" but to show you that a lot of the donations is somewhat self serving and your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong and they prob. give the same $%.

You said it doesn't really count as charitable giving, because (God forbid!) churches will use some of that money for expenses.

Third time, please tell me which charities you donate to, which have zero expenses.

"your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong"

Not according to the study I posted.

"they prob. give the same $%"

LET'S STICK TO THAT, because you may well be right...

If conservatives and liberals are about equally charitable, then on what basis could you say that conservatives stop caring about people after they are born?

The likelihood and motive has been clear as day for years. I did not come up with any of this but I follow people smarter than me that have been warning of the increasing danger of this since 2008.

It merely depended on a sliding scale of reduced capability of the members of NATO, particularity the US and Germany, and the increased of capability of RUS/PRC. It also required the same inversion of will.

Ding, ding, ding, bingo, yessir, spot on!! If the purpose of NATO is a defense against Russia, then do what is militarily and willfully necessary. Depending on the U.S. military to protect the world, for a host of reasons including the cost and the fluctuating leadership of US politics, is stupid if not suicidal.

Europe, with support from America, needed to be cohesive in a bold face to Russia, investing its superior wealth and potential power as an ugly and frightful face that glared at Russia's threats with a "don't tread on me" or I'll kick your ass demeanor. And BTW, if you want to sell us gas you can disarm and we can do the same and be peaceful trading partners. Otherwise, shove off and crawl back to your commie $hithole and expect self destruction if you eff with us.

No doubt it could have been stated more diplomatically . . . but the message should still have been basically the same stallwart and severe and constant message. And, yeah, Ukraine should have been allowed in as a NATO member long ago.

You said it doesn't really count as charitable giving, because (God forbid!) churches will use some of that money for expenses.I said it is self serving

Third time, please tell me which charities you donate to, which have zero expenses.Are you hearing things bc no one every claimed a charity had zero expenses (although there might be a few where expenses are subsidized).

"your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong"

Not according to the study I posted. and I always show you a lot of it is self serving

"they prob. give the same $%"

LET'S STICK TO THAT, because you may well be right...
But your the one who constantly posts a study which doesn't take into account the self serving aspect - not me or anyone else here
If conservatives and liberals are about equally charitable, then on what basis could you say that conservatives stop caring about people after they are born?
Their repeated attempts to cut benefits to minors/people who have babies whenever cons. come into control. Charity is never going to replace govern. spending.

Charity is never going to replace govern. spending.

Right.

This is precisely why, in cities with the highest government spending, things are in such great shape.

Bill Clinton is an absolute hero on the left. He cut taxes (including capital gains taxes!), and paid for it with welfare cuts. But the left LOVES him. Because it's OK when democrats do it!!

Their repeated attempts to cut benefits to minors/people who have babies whenever cons. come into control. Charity is never going to replace govern. spending.

"your the one who constantly posts a study which doesn't take into account the self serving aspect"

But you're the one who would exclude some conservative charity on the grounds that it's self serving, but you never once mention liberals giving to Ivy League schools, or to the National Endowment of the Arts (investment bankers in Manhattan really need subsidized opera tickets), etc...

Because, as always, everything is OK when liberals do it!!

Right.

This is precisely why, in cities with the highest government spending, things are in such great shape. I know you think every problem in cities is related to blacks but it is not. Poor people, people with mental/emotional, drug issues all live their. Plus a lot of the buildings are tax exempt.
Bill Clinton is an absolute hero on the left. He cut taxes (including capital gains taxes!), and paid for it with welfare cuts. But the left LOVES him. Because it's OK when democrats do it!!

NM

"your the one who constantly posts a study which doesn't take into account the self serving aspect"

But you're the one who would exclude some conservative charity on the grounds that it's self serving, but you never once mention liberals giving to Ivy League schools, or to the National Endowment of the Arts (investment bankers in Manhattan really need subsidized opera tickets), etc...how is giving money to a opera house the same as giving money to a church?

Because, as always, everything is OK when liberals do it!!

NM

I know you think every problem in cities is related to blacks but it is not. Poor people, people with mental/emotional, drug issues all live their. Plus a lot of the buildings are tax exempt.

Jim has never said that, when specifically discussing issues with black communities, he has said the problems blacks are experiencing have a correlation to democratic policies.

He never said that all problems in the cities are related to blacks
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Jim has never said that, when specially discussing issues with black communities, he has said the problems blacks are experiencing have a correlation to democratic policies.

He never said that all problems in the cities are related to blacks
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Thank you, and of course I didn't ever come close to saying that. In my opinion, skin color says absolutely nothing about a person, zilch. It's liberals who feel otherwise.

And it's liberals, not me, who seem intent on aborting blacks almost out of existence. In New York City, more black babies are aborted than are born. That's repulsive to me, but totally fine to liberals.

Everyone, regardless of color, tends to struggle when you make poor life decisions (or if you have bad luck obviously). Like not working hard in school, not working hard at work, having babies without a strong dad in the picture.

Those things drive poverty. And thanks directly to liberalism, blacks are disproportionately likely to embrace a culture that leads to that bad decision making.

Paul, there is no clearer way for a liberal to say "you win Jim, you beat me", than by calling me a racist. Just waive a white flag, that would be way more dignified than what you did.

PS. hers's a gift...looks like you could truly use it.

"Students at Harvard work within the current system; that is what conservatism means."

Except for the kids who deserve to get in but don't, because of their skin color.

"the poor dictim is crying about how liberals are hurting him."

Let's be very clear...you are making me crack up, you are not, and can not, hurt me. You're a source of entertainment.

Sad little man, my aim is not to hurt you, I’ll leave the causticity for you.

You think Harvard is more or less diverse than Jesuit Schools?
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Sad little man, my aim is not to hurt you, I’ll leave the causticity for you.

You think Harvard is more or less diverse than Jesuit Schools?
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I don't know if Harvard or more or less diverse than Jesuit schools. I know for a fact that Harvard drastically adjusts admissions criteria based on skin color.

Too many Asians at Harvard, so they made it a lot harder for the Asians to get in. Conrad and Muffy can't be expected to share the sushi bar with too many Asians...

Pete, I could care less how diverse a student body is or isn't. I don't reduce people to their skin color. You just don't get it.

Thank you, and of course I didn't ever come close to saying that. In my opinion, skin color says absolutely nothing about a person, zilch. It's liberals who feel otherwise.

And it's liberals, not me, who seem intent on aborting blacks almost out of existence. In New York City, more black babies are aborted than are born. That's repulsive to me, but totally fine to liberals.I thought liberals give them more aid to keep them hooked on it and want more blacks people bc Blacks vote for Dems?

Everyone, regardless of color, tends to struggle when you make poor life decisions (or if you have bad luck obviously). Like not working hard in school, not working hard at work, having babies without a strong dad in the picture.

Those things drive poverty. And thanks directly to liberalism, blacks are disproportionately likely to embrace a culture that leads to that bad decision making.And that is the convers. thought process. Give aid to Blacks somehow hooks them on aid - like it is a drug. It must suck to have that view of Blacks. That they are too stupid to realize that Liberals only want to give poor people aid to make them depend. on aid so they will continue to vote for Dems.

Paul, there is no clearer way for a liberal to say "you win Jim, you beat me", than by calling me a racist. Just waive a white flag, that would be way more dignified than what you did.

PS. hers's a gift...looks like you could truly use it.Shows what a classless P O S you are.
NM

NM

"I thought liberals give them more aid to keep them hooked on it and want more blacks people bc Blacks vote for Dems?"

The ones who survive the abortion gauntlet, are rewarded by liberalism to all the benefits of multi-generational poverty. Hooray!

"Shows what a classless P O S you are."

Read how you spoke to me all day, grow a pair, and get over yourself.

I don't know if Harvard or more or less diverse than Jesuit schools. I know for a fact that Harvard drastically adjusts admissions criteria based on skin color.

Too many Asians at Harvard, so they made it a lot harder for the Asians to get in. Conrad and Muffy can't be expected to share the sushi bar with too many Asians...

Pete, I could care less how diverse a student body is or isn't. I don't reduce people to their skin color. You just don't get it.

If you don’t care then why are you worried?
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NM

"Give aid to Blacks somehow hooks them on aid - like it is a drug"

You rob people of the inherent desire to strive and be self sufficient, you get what you see in the liberal sh*thole cities.

Welfare is absolutely like a drug. That's exactly why more isn't always better.

Why do liberals mercilessly attack any black who dares to venture off the liberal plantation and embrace conservatism? Have you ever seen an influential black conservative who was embraced by liberals across the board? Or are they all called tokens and Uncle Toms and sellouts?

Why is that?

"I thought liberals give them more aid to keep them hooked on it and want more blacks people bc Blacks vote for Dems?"

The ones who survive the abortion gauntlet, are rewarded by liberalism to all the benefits of multi-generational poverty. Hooray!

"Shows what a classless P O S you are."

Read how you spoke to me all day, grow a pair, and get over yourself.Look at your very first post you made in response to my first post. Your a classless P O S.

No one here has to take your classless comments.

"Give aid to Blacks somehow hooks them on aid - like it is a drug"

You rob people of the inherent desire to strive and be self sufficient, you get what you see in the liberal sh*thole cities.

Welfare is absolutely like a drug. That's exactly why more isn't always better. and that is exactly the cons. mind set.
Welfare is a drug and is not an attempt to help people. Shows the lack of compassion cons. have for anyone less fortunate than themselves (unless of course it impacts them or their families then it is different)

Why do liberals mercilessly attack any black who dares to venture off the liberal plantation and embrace conservatism? Have you ever seen an influential black conservative who was embraced by liberals across the board? Or are they all called tokens and Uncle Toms and sellouts?

Why is that?

NM

NM

read what i wrote. i didn’t say all
welfare is bad. i said more, isn’t always better.

the conservative mindset is help people while they need help, with the goal of allowing them to become self sufficient if possible.

tell me whats sinister about that?
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read what i wrote. i didn’t say all
welfare is bad. i said more, isn’t always better.Can't recall you ever making that comment.

the conservative mindset is help people while they need help, with the goal of allowing them to become self sufficient if possible.

tell me whats sinister about that?
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So why do you assume anyone would rather be on welfare rather than work which would provide far more money

So why do you assume anyone would rather be on welfare rather than work which would provide far more money

Because they're lazy.
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Because they're lazy.
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what goes on in his head? :1poke:

Because they're lazy.
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it’s not that complicated to figure out, is it?
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So why do you assume anyone would rather be on welfare rather than work which would provide far more money

follow if you can…

in some cases, especially with federal supplements, working didn’t provide “far more money.”

Paul, have you not heard about all the open jobs right now? why can’t they fill those jobs?

because many people would rather not work, even if it means taking a pay cut.

this is not rocket science.
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"Biden’s worst line today was, ‘they are profound sanctions. Let’s have a conversation in another month or so to see if they’re working...now I need to go take my nap’....."

Biden has completely outsmarted Putin. He undercut every pretext Putin cultivated to justify an invasion, leaving the world - and especially the Russian people - without any plausible explanation for the invasion. And Biden unified democratic allies to support Ukraine’s defense.
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Biden has completely outsmarted Putin.
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This will be a great comfort to the Ukrainians who got blown to bits.

This will be a great comfort to the Ukrainians who got blown to bits.

Russian TV is now showing Trump’s praise of Putin to justify their invasion.

Because if only the Stable Genius had won no Ukrainians would have died, Trump would have told them they’d be much better off with a strong leader like Putin

Today doesn't feel like it's gone as Putin wanted:

* Ukrainian defence stronger than expected.
* Massive US/EU/UK sanctions for all major banks
* Stockmarket down 40%
* Protests across Russia (despite thousands of arrests)
* Finnish MPs pushing to join NATO
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Russian TV is now showing Trump’s praise of Putin to justify their invasion.

Because if only the Stable Genius had won no Ukrainians would have died, Trump would have told them they’d be much better off with a strong leader like Putin

Today doesn't feel like it's gone as Putin wanted:

* Ukrainian defence stronger than expected.
* Massive US/EU/UK sanctions for all major banks
* Stockmarket down 40%
* Protests across Russia (despite thousands of arrests)
* Finnish MPs pushing to join NATO
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Biden’s approval will
skyrocket. Even more when fuel costs plummet.
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Biden’s approval will
skyrocket. Even more when fuel costs plummet.
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It’s always about money with you.

You should join your hero at Mar a Lago, you could both praise Putin over the great deal he got.

I’m confident you will disapprove of the protests across 53 russian cities, more than 1700 people detained tonight. the regime did not bother with counter-protests. I wonder if Putin underestimated just how unpopular this would be.
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Biden has completely outsmarted Putin.

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is spence really posting as pete now? ...:rotflmao:

I wonder if Putin underestimated just how unpopular this would be.

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he's a dictator...soooo....likely not a concern

Quote:
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It’s my hunch that what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine.. but we shall see.




Originally Posted by scottw View Post

Nebestrodamus.....we will watch this one



ummmmm....nope

By the time this invasion is over the only two places to which Putin will ever again receive an invitation are The Hague and Mar-a-Lago.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe View Post

It’s my hunch that what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine.. but we shall see.



Originally Posted by scottw View Post

Nebestrodamus.....we will watch this one



ummmmm....nope
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It’s not over yet.

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It’s not over yet.

this is correct...they are about to take the Capitol...which is the opposite of

"what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine"

this is correct...they are about to take the Capitol...which is the opposite of

"what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine"

Right. And that can still happen.
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Right. And that can still happen.
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yeah...I think we're pretty far past that...but like brandon said.."give it a month"

Right. And that can still happen.
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Maybe explain the logic here. Putin threatens to and then invades Ukraine which he knows will get the approval of a pipeline that is completed, full of gas and just waiting some compliance approvals halted so that he can bargain to get it unhalted by uninvading Ukraine?
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I’ll agree that I was wrong about threatening to invade in hopes of pipeline approval. But I’m still convinced that the pipeline was a serious play in this game. For example, Pakistan is sending someone to Moscow right now to discuss a pipeline. Wars are always about natural resources and the excuse of ancestral lands or what ever are made but it’s all about the money.
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I’ll agree that I was wrong about threatening to invade in hopes of pipeline approval. But I’m still convinced that the pipeline was a serious play in this game. For example, Pakistan is sending someone to Moscow right now to discuss a pipeline. Wars are always about natural resources and the excuse of ancestral lands or what ever are made but it’s all about the money.
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I also thought he was bluffing to get the west to never let Ukraine into NATO.

But wasn't the pipeline already approved and underway, before he invaded? The one that Germany put a halt to after he invaded?

I also thought he was bluffing to get the west to never let Ukraine into NATO.

But wasn't the pipeline already approved and underway, before he invaded? The one that Germany put a halt to after he invaded?

Nordstram 2 is fully completed and was just waiting for formal approval.
The game oil companies play now is the build it first and then get aproval. ETP pulled this with the Dapl pipeline as well which by the way I believe a lot of the anonymous $$ sent to fund the protestors came from Russia ;)
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Nordstram 2 is fully completed and was just waiting for formal approval.
The game oil companies play now is the build it first and then get aproval. ETP pulled this with the Dapl pipeline as well which by the way I believe a lot of the anonymous $$ sent to fund the protestors came from Russia ;)
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so you are maintaining he invaded Ukraine to get the completed pipeline unapproved so he could retreat in order to get it approved?

Biden’s approval will
skyrocket. Even more when fuel costs plummet.
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Jim you seem to want a leader that leads for His Poll Numbers
which is about every Republican who wants to run in 2024

Bidens not that leader He'll rip the band Aid off He tells the American people the Truth and Fuk the polls .. Doing what's right is Hard



Even Before this russian invasion. Republicans started their PlayBook

1. call your POTUS weak (they want bombs and boots on the ground they won't say aloud! and that's why Trump and his cult love Putin he's a mans mans )

2. Call the Info coming out of the white house a Hoax

3. then move to calling it Fear mongering

4. then call it wagging the dog

5. Putin does what the white house says they were going to do and they go back to weak yet offering no plan themselves

6 Conservatives blame Biden for the invasion while Trump and his inner circle heap praise on Putin

6. Next they will shift back to gas prices screaming Biden is Sanctioning Americans


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-other-top-conservatives-rally-to-putins-side-over-ukraine-threat-2022-2

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-putin-russia-ukraine-invasion-republican-response/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/02/23/these-conservatives-are-defending-russia-in-ukraine-crisis-and-trump-leads-the-way/?sh=2dde72778cf9

Trump and his supporters praise Putin and dismiss Biden as crisis unfolds
A vocal group of right-leaning figures admires the Russian president for what they depict as his strength and shrewdness, while disdaining a U.S. president they dismiss as weak

a faction made up of conservative Republicans, supporters of former president Donald Trump and conservative media figures says Putin should be left alone, or even congratulated, by Americans.

Trump complimented Putin on Tuesday, saying it was a “smart move” by the Russian president to send “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the Ukraine border.


Poll: As Ukraine tensions escalate, 62% of Republicans say Putin is a 'stronger leader' than Biden

With at least 100,000 Russian troops massing on the border of Ukraine, more than 6 in 10 Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (62 percent) now say Russian President Vladimir Putin is “a stronger leader” than Joe Biden, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

Fewer than half as many Republicans (25 percent) decline to take sides, saying neither leader is stronger than the other.

And just 4 percent of Republicans say Biden is stronger than Putin.

it may not be the All the leadership Buts its seem to be the party as a whole ... Like I have been saying :deadhorse:

Jim you seem to want a leader that leads for His Poll Numbers



brandon's speech and speach yesterday sounded like someone deeply concerned over his poll numbers

I was just reading that much of green, environmentally conscious Western Europe is now modernizing and turning to woodstoves to keep warm this winter....

I tried to see Trump's Letter on his website
Guess what I found The page you requested could not be found.
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com ›

Full Trump statement. Does not include condemnation of aggression, call for sanctions, or other consequences
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I’ll agree that I was wrong about threatening to invade in hopes of pipeline approval. But I’m still convinced that the pipeline was a serious play in this game. For example, Pakistan is sending someone to Moscow right now to discuss a pipeline. Wars are always about natural resources and the excuse of ancestral lands or what ever are made but it’s all about the money.
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The NS2 pipeline is a serious play on many levels:

It allowed RUS to gain massive influence, particularly on Germany, by having German Pols. Former Kanzeller Gerhardt Schröder was instrumental, and paid by Gazprom, to help push NS2 thru implementation. So much so that 3 weeks ago we was put on the board of Gazprom. Think Gazprom didn't know Putin was doing all this? Hahaha.

NS1 and NS2 would allow the European Greens, particularly Germans, to ween off destructive coal and dangerous Nuclear and use friendly RUS NatGas until they got enough solar panels that would run off moonlight. In the process they made Germany dependent on RUS, and introduce additional fractures into NATO.

This has also allowed RUS to hinder Germany's massive economy from being a primary positive member of NATO.

Remember, evil Trump had been cajoling Europe to move up to 2% of GDP FOR THEIR OWN DEFENSE. Eastern Europe has been begging for FR/DE to step up (France has, a little).

Instead, Vlad made it easy for Germany to not step up by providing security (wink) assurances and a bared teat of Natgas.

Jesus, this is like half of everything I have been saying on here for the past #^&#^&#^&#^&ing 10 years has come true - hope the other half doesn't.

Obviously there is massive amounts of leverage that VP has on Europe, for years using Natgas in winter to apply leverage on UA, Eastern Europe and a hint on Germany. In preparation for these events, for leverage, they reduced flows of gas so the reserves IN EUROPE would be minimum oncve the invasion started.

So yes, Eben, the Pipeline is a serious play in all of this, for Vlad.

This Play is NOT about natural resources. Natural Resources are a character in the Play.

The goal is to prevent a large, increasingly successful, European aligned Slavic Country from experiencing a working Democracy on Russia's doorstep, proving the Russian Autocracy a failure.

I was just reading that much of green, environmentally conscious Western Europe is now modernizing and turning to woodstoves to keep warm this winter....

so did I How to Modernize the Wood Stove and Help Save the Planet
The humble wood stove is getting a high-tech makeover, and may be going green


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/how-modernize-wood-stove-and-help-save-planet-180957866/

to Bad its from 2016

Jim you seem to want a leader that leads for His Poll Numbers
which is about every Republican who wants to run in 2024

Bidens not that leader He'll rip the band Aid off He tells the American people the Truth and Fuk the polls .. Doing what's right is Hard



Even Before this russian invasion. Republicans started their PlayBook

1. call your POTUS weak (they want bombs and boots on the ground they won't say aloud! and that's why Trump and his cult love Putin he's a mans mans )

2. Call the Info coming out of the white house a Hoax

3. then move to calling it Fear mongering

4. then call it wagging the dog

5. Putin does what the white house says they were going to do and they go back to weak yet offering no plan themselves

6 Conservatives blame Biden for the invasion while Trump and his inner circle heap praise on Putin

6. Next they will shift back to gas prices screaming Biden is Sanctioning Americans


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-other-top-conservatives-rally-to-putins-side-over-ukraine-threat-2022-2

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-putin-russia-ukraine-invasion-republican-response/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/02/23/these-conservatives-are-defending-russia-in-ukraine-crisis-and-trump-leads-the-way/?sh=2dde72778cf9

Trump and his supporters praise Putin and dismiss Biden as crisis unfolds
A vocal group of right-leaning figures admires the Russian president for what they depict as his strength and shrewdness, while disdaining a U.S. president they dismiss as weak

a faction made up of conservative Republicans, supporters of former president Donald Trump and conservative media figures says Putin should be left alone, or even congratulated, by Americans.

Trump complimented Putin on Tuesday, saying it was a “smart move” by the Russian president to send “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the Ukraine border.


Poll: As Ukraine tensions escalate, 62% of Republicans say Putin is a 'stronger leader' than Biden

With at least 100,000 Russian troops massing on the border of Ukraine, more than 6 in 10 Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (62 percent) now say Russian President Vladimir Putin is “a stronger leader” than Joe Biden, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

Fewer than half as many Republicans (25 percent) decline to take sides, saying neither leader is stronger than the other.

And just 4 percent of Republicans say Biden is stronger than Putin.

it may not be the All the leadership Buts its seem to be the party as a whole ... Like I have been saying :deadhorse:

"Bidens not that leader He'll rip the band Aid off He tells the American people the Truth"

He said the following pearls of truth...Republicans want to put blacks back in chains, he was arrested with Nelson Mandela, he beat up an armed drug kingpin named Corn Pop, he used to drive an 18 wheeler, he said we have a duty to believe all women accusers, then he was accused and said "don't believe this one", he promised to cure cancer, got caught plagiarizing, how many do you want?

Biden isn't a constant liar like Trump, but he's a loooooong way from being truthful.

"call your POTUS weak "

What if he is weak? Can't you say it?

"more than 6 in 10 Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (62 percent) now say Russian President Vladimir Putin is “a stronger leader” than Joe Biden"

Listen carefully...Putin is far, far, far stronger than Biden is capable of ever being again. It's not even close. That doesn't mean I'm saying Putin is a better person. Putin deserves to be executed for what he's doing. Joe Biden is a far better person than Putin. But a much weaker leader. When Biden speaks, people point and laugh. He's weak and feeble. We knew that before the election.

You're equating strong with good, just to make republicans look bad.

Biden is laughably weak and uninspiring. We elected a president with dementia. Nobody, anywhere, is intimidated by Biden. That doesn't mean he's incapable of being a great president. It means he isn't going to get respect of bloodthirsty tyrants like Putin.

Putin didn't roll into Ukraine because of Bidens strength.

Strong isn't anywhere near the same as good. In some cases strong is good. Not always.

Obviously there is massive amounts of leverage that VP has on Europe, for years using Natgas in winter to apply leverage on UA, Eastern Europe and a hint on Germany. In preparation for these events, for leverage, they reduced flows of gas so the reserves IN EUROPE would be minimum once the invasion started.



I think China was keeping busy yesterday....it's all about opportunity for the bad guys

Biden: OPEC And Russia Must Pump More Oil To Help America's Working Class
Editor OilPrice.com
November 1, 2021

I think China was keeping busy yesterday....it's all about opportunity for the bad guys

Biden: OPEC And Russia Must Pump More Oil To Help America's Working Class
Editor OilPrice.com
November 1, 2021


Look at what China and RUS have done with Corn, Fertilizer (potash), and Wheat contracts for the past few months. They are joined at the hip, this is a coordinated attack against the West.

this is a coordinated attack against the West.



yup...

yup...

Been years in the making too…
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Been years in the making too…
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Hey, at least the adults are in charge now that the 80s Foreign Policy came calling.

Hey, at least the adults are in charge now that the 80s Foreign Policy came calling.

that was just so witty when Obama said that!
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No doubt the guy who tried to extort the Ukrainian president by withholding vital military aid and peddled Russian propaganda in the process would have stood up to Putin and prevented this war.

Putin didn’t need war to try to destabilize the West because he had Trump to do it.
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No doubt the guy who tried to extort the Ukrainian president by withholding vital military aid and peddled Russian propaganda in the process would have stood up to Putin and prevented this war.

Putin didn’t need war to try to destabilize the West because he had Trump to do it.
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The Ukrainian President said he was not extorted, the military aid was given withing the allowed time period, and the West has been gradually destabilizing itself well before Trump. Trump tried to put a little muscle back into NATO which prompted the lie that he weakened NATO.

You're a critical theory type liar who willfully uses any means, including repeated bald-faced lies, to defeat who you oppose.

For a moment, just contemplate the difference in moral character between the two men on the so-called "perfect" phone call.
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Trump impeached after freezing $400 million in military aid to Ukraine during "perfect" phone call.
Trump says Ukraine crisis would not have happened if he were still president.
Trump said Crimea is part of Russia, not Ukraine.
Trump praised Putin actions as "genius" and "savvy."
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For a moment, just contemplate the difference in moral character between the two men on the so-called "perfect" phone call.
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Contemplating your moral character is easier as you display a constant lack of it.

Contemplating your moral character is easier as you display a constant lack of it.

Sure, tankie
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Trump impeached after freezing $400 million in military aid to Ukraine during "perfect" phone call.
Trump says Ukraine crisis would not have happened if he were still president.
Trump said Crimea is part of Russia, not Ukraine.
Trump praised Putin actions as "genius" and "savvy."
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Trump has said a lot of things, many of which you won't quote because they don't fit your one-dimensional portrayal of him. And many of which you twist into the pretzel of disinformation you wish to feed us.

Trump is not the President. Biden is. The Democrats have control of all three branches.

pete seems extraordinarily bitter...

Trump impeached after freezing $400 million in military aid to Ukraine during "perfect" phone call.
Trump says Ukraine crisis would not have happened if he were still president.
Trump said Crimea is part of Russia, not Ukraine.
Trump praised Putin actions as "genius" and "savvy."
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And yet Russian tanks are on the outskirts of Kiev.

you’d never know Biden won the election, based on how much time the liberals dedicate to bashing trump.
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you’d never know Biden won the election, based on how much time the liberals dedicate to bashing trump.
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"This is genius. Bin Laden takes down these buildings with a couple of planes. How smart is that? That's pretty savvy.

"Bin Laden liked me. I liked him. Had I been in office, this wouldn't have happened."

— What former president Clinton did not say on Sept. 11, 2001

Within the first 24 hours of Putin's invasion, Trump was recorded at least three times praising Putin. Twice he called into FoxNews to do it.

Y’all skipped this one
Of course the satirical comment was easier
Nobody’s connecting the dots between Paul Manafort's work in Ukraine, the Trump campaign's change to the GOP platform in 2015, Trump's withholding of support and attempted blackmail of Zelensky, and this invasion.

Not to mention Trump’s planned removal of US troops in
Germany/EU that Biden reversed shortly after taking office.

Trump was setting the stage for this kremlin military action from the day he took office.

For a moment, just contemplate the difference in moral character between the two men on the so-called "perfect" phone call.
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For a moment, tell me why moral character matters much.

Bill Clinton was of low moral character, George W Bush is of good moral character. Does that mean you'd say Bush was superior as president?

What matters, is effectiveness.

— What former president Clinton did not say on Sept. 11, 2001

He was probably on Epstein's private island at the time doing god knows what.

Bill Clinton is a disgusting person. When the american bar association says you're unfit to associate with lawyers, that's saying something. He's a deeply corrupt scumbag. .

But he was a very good potus.

"This is genius. Bin Laden takes down these buildings with a couple of planes. How smart is that? That's pretty savvy.

"Bin Laden liked me. I liked him. Had I been in office, this wouldn't have happened."

— What former president Clinton did not say on Sept. 11, 2001

More of you're critical theory type trickery. You post something that notorious anti-Trump George Conway tweeted, but you don't mention the source. You do insert the quotation marks, but Conway already put them there in his tweet. Conway was never all that meticulously truthful in the things he said about Trump. And I couldn't find with a quick search the words he seems to attribute to Trump actually being said by Trump. Conway's Tweet sounds like something he made up then followed by saying that Clinton never said it. OK . . . so what?

Trump did sort of say the "that's pretty savvy" bit in a radio interview. He said that about Putin's method and rhetoric in the invasion of Ukraine. And he mentioned Putin's framing his invasion as peace-keeping. “How smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No . . . Here’s a guy who’s very savvy" It was typical Trump sarcasm. He said that the invasion was a disaster. He was mocking the notion that Putin was merely "peace-keeping."

More of you're critical theory type trickery. You post something that notorious anti-Trump George Conway tweeted, but you don't mention the source. You do insert the quotation marks, but Conway already put them there in his tweet. Conway was never all that meticulously truthful in the things he said about Trump. And I couldn't find with a quick search the words he seems to attribute to Trump actually being said by Trump. Conway's Tweet sounds like something he made up then followed by saying that Clinton never said it. OK . . . so what?

Trump did sort of say the "that's pretty savvy" bit in a radio interview. He said that about Putin's method and rhetoric in the invasion of Ukraine. And he mentioned Putin's framing his invasion as peace-keeping. “How smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No . . . Here’s a guy who’s very savvy" It was typical Trump sarcasm. He said that the invasion was a disaster. He was mocking the notion that Putin was merely "peace-keeping."

GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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GFY

Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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By Jiminy, THAT'S good enough for me! Because everything pulled behind a plane, MUST be true!

GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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Don't know what this debatable, unresolved, speculative, insinuation has to do with Conway's phony tweet. You seem to be struggling for some way to blame everything bad on Trump, and somehow make Biden a glittering arch-angel of good and justice.

You might be more successful if you quit resorting to deception.

GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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You are off your rocker if you think this is Trump's fault. I wish he did more and fvcked up less, I wish he wasn't an a$$hole, I wish Obama did more, I wish Congress did more. I don't want Biden to do anymore. For you to blame this on Trump is a shining example your uberpartisanship.

The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.

The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.


The moment the West declares a No Fly Zone, WWIII is on like Donkey Kong. Total War. Based on the fact that Vlad is only putting the less capable third of his forces in Ukraine makes me wonder if he is saving it for NATO.

The ONLY things we can do now short of offensive operations against Russian Forces is to provide armaments and intelligence to Ukraine, provide training to UKR personnel outside of Ukraine. Find some extra Fulcrums from former WPact countries, get them more former WPact kit,

So now Russia is even threatening Finland and Sweden if they join NATO. This may all wake Europe up to the fact it needs to go on offence. Not necessarily military action yet, but a serious build-up of their military and a very serious posture of being absolutely willing to fight. No more appeasement. No more backing down. No more Munich agreements. No more weakness.

Russia and China have been for several years building up a global coalition that seeks to replace the West as the dominant world power, both economically and militarily.

There may no longer be any room for retreat.

you’d never know Biden won the election, based on how much time the liberals dedicate to bashing trump.
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Guilty conscious !
They know JoBama never won the election.

All Ukraine has left is small unit operations . Tank javelin anti tanks small arm ambushes to harass and delay the Russians and attack extended supply lines and inflict Russian casualties

And I expect the Russians will start brutalizing the civilian population in retaliation of partisan attacks on their forces once they install their puppet Government
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Ronald Reagan: "Tear down this wall."

Republicans today: "Tear down our president."
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Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine

You are off your rocker if you think this is Trump's fault. I wish he did more and fvcked up less, I wish he wasn't an a$$hole, I wish Obama did more, I wish Congress did more. I don't want Biden to do anymore. For you to blame this on Trump is a shining example your uberpartisanship.

NO
Quite simply, Trump was and is bought and paid for

Trump is a dime-store Putin.

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We'll let Putin come to Europe. The Hague is beautiful in the Spring.
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NO
Quite simply, Trump was and is bought and paid for

Trump is a dime-store Putin.

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I really feel you would sacrifice anything and everything to take a shot a Trump. It is really unhealthy.

Make not mistake - we are likely as close to all out nuclear war as we have been since Cuba. Putin is a madman.

Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine


Yep. How much have you been watching what is happening there? Seems to me the best and brightest RUS forces have not been as much in contact as expected. Some of the forces used are the Rosgardia, loosely akin, but not as capable / competent as our National Guard units.

The fact that Ukraine still has active AAD and Air Forces not yet 72 hours in is impressive. Block to block fighting in Kyiv might favor the Ukranians.

Ukraine has held Cherniv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mariupol, the rough line of Kuhansk Donetsk. Yesterday they staged a deep strike to a couple airfields close to Kyiv, initially held those fields but were beaten back enough that the follow on Ilyushins carrying reinforcements were reportedly turned around.

Also rumors of two RUAF Ilyushins shot down tonight IAO Kyiv carrying landing forces with probably a 150-200 troops each.

They have a lot of issues with RUS forces in outskirts of Kyiv as well as a 100-120K breakout from Crimea. Some RUS SF have reportedly shed their RUS uniforms and donned UA uniforms.

Fustercluck

Some estimates of over 3000 Russian casualties so far.

Fighting in Kyiv relatively close to Maidan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7FuPINDjA

Ronald Reagan: "Tear down this wall."

Republicans today: "Tear down our president."
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Speaking of stealing quotes from other people

I really feel you would sacrifice anything and everything to take a shot a Trump. It is really unhealthy.

The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.

JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements
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The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.


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this is completely delusional......

best meme comment of the week...

"imagine voting for biden thinking he was going to forgive your student loans and end covid....and all you got was World War 3 and a crack pipe"

:scream:

A brutal poll number for Joe Biden
Chris Cillizza
CNN Editor-at-large
Fri February 25, 2022

(CNN)Joe Biden has been president for a little over a year. And that year was not kind to him.

In a new NPR/PBS/Marist College poll, more than half -- 56% -- of Americans said that Biden's first year in office was a "failure," while just 39% described it as a success.
The news doesn't get better the more you dig into the survey. Two-thirds of independents said Biden's first year was a failure, while more than 9 in 10 Republicans (91%) agreed with that assessment.

JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements
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Pete: Biden is bad, but there might be a person or two who’d be worse.

he’s tanking with independents. that’s the ballgame.
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Biden, as a candidate for potus:

“Putin doesn’t want me to be president. If you’re wondering why, it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s gone toe-to-toe with him.”

First Biden clobbered an armed drug kingpin named Corn Pop. taking on Putin is nothing compared to that.
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I heard Putin just used the term ‘drug-addicted neo-Nazis’ and I think it’s nice he finally gave the Trump’s a shout-out.
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The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.


The truth is the Admin did a good job at warning everyone this was coming, heck a lot of us were warning this was coming.

Te Admin did a bad job at convincing others to prepare. They did a bad job of altering the equation to the point of change in Putin's calculations (might be nothing would have).






JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements
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Well, looking at what he did to help Ukraine before Biden it looks like Trump has had a successful impact. In addition known assistance like Javelins, there was USA support including several years of significant training - which we are seeing the results of now. They are holding, taking a beating, but holding.

Trump withheld aid authorized by Congress for months until he was forced to release it, then when he authorized Javelins he did it with the caveat that they couldn’t be used against the Russian backed separatists.
Luckily for the Ukrainians, Zelensky didn’t listen to Trump who said “ I think he’s going to make a deal with President Putin, and he will be invited to the White House,” Mr. Trump said of the Ukrainian president
“I really hope you and President Putin get together and can solve your problem.”
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Make not mistake - we are likely as close to all out nuclear war as we have been since Cuba. Putin is a madman.




Yep. How much have you been watching what is happening there? Seems to me the best and brightest RUS forces have not been as much in contact as expected. Some of the forces used are the Rosgardia, loosely akin, but not as capable / competent as our National Guard units.

The fact that Ukraine still has active AAD and Air Forces not yet 72 hours in is impressive. Block to block fighting in Kyiv might favor the Ukranians.

Ukraine has held Cherniv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mariupol, the rough line of Kuhansk Donetsk. Yesterday they staged a deep strike to a couple airfields close to Kyiv, initially held those fields but were beaten back enough that the follow on Ilyushins carrying reinforcements were reportedly turned around.

Also rumors of two RUAF Ilyushins shot down tonight IAO Kyiv carrying landing forces with probably a 150-200 troops each.

They have a lot of issues with RUS forces in outskirts of Kyiv as well as a 100-120K breakout from Crimea. Some RUS SF have reportedly shed their RUS uniforms and donned UA uniforms.

Fustercluck

Some estimates of over 3000 Russian casualties so far.

Fighting in Kyiv relatively close to Maidan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7FuPINDjA

I saw those troop carries being shot down man pads? I didn’t think we gave them any stingers but did just read Poland sent some Grom shoulder-fired heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, and it look like they are using them on high casualties targets …with success

The Ukraine’s know their land not sure if they ever constructed many obstacles or mined road ways


Sending Conscripting troops with less than a year experience to fight a 3 front war , looks like Russians haven’t learned from WW2 and their send everyone approach
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I saw those troop carries being shot down man pads? I didn’t think we gave them any stingers but did just read Poland sent some Grom shoulder-fired heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, and it look like they are using them on high casualties targets …with success

The Ukraine’s know their land not sure if they ever constructed many obstacles or mined road ways


Sending Conscripting troops with less than a year experience to fight a 3 front war , looks like Russians haven’t learned from WW2 and their send everyone approach
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We sent planeloads of Stingers and additional planeloads of Javelins. Baltic states and several former WPact, (CZ, PO, RO, BU) sent hundreds of stingers, and late RUS MANPADS.

The RUS gains, other than in the south, are really not inspiring confidence.

We sent planeloads of Stingers and additional planeloads of Javelins. Baltic states and several former WPact, (CZ, PO, RO, BU) sent hundreds of stingers, and late RUS MANPADS.

The RUS gains, other than in the south, are really not inspiring confidence.

I figure the Javelins but haven't heard of their use. Because I am sure we want to know their effectiveness on New Russian Armor
including AT4s I fired a few hard to hit at distance


I have no expectations of a Ukraine Military victory .. but seems they are winning the public relation war .. Swinging many to support more equipment then a few days ago

Its going to get uglier in the coming days for both sides

I figure the Javelins but haven't heard of their use. Because I am sure we want to know their effectiveness on New Russian Armor
including AT4s I fired a few hard to hit at distance


I have no expectations of a Ukraine Military victory .. but seems they are winning the public relation war .. Swinging many to support more equipment then a few days ago

Its going to get uglier in the coming days for both sides

BTW - RUS had retrofitted much of the their armor / mechanized for drone submuntioins - still those Turkish made Bayraktar drones UA is using seem to be hitting RUS hard.

Yes. Embarrassment for Putin is going to change things not in a good way. Talks of kicking RUS out of SWIFT, lots of countries denying RUS commercial aviation, shipping.

oh boy....

A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president.

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way. . . . A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden.

Thirty-eight percent of Democrats think Trump would have prevented this. After six full years of blanket press coverage calling Trump a pawn of Putin.

oh boy....

A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president.

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way. . . . A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden.

Thirty-eight percent of Democrats think Trump would have prevented this. After six full years of blanket press coverage calling Trump a pawn of Putin.

..

..

oh the kids are gonna love that…
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Ukraine claims it's killed almost 3,000 Russian soldiers in the first 36 hours of the invasion.

As ever, you have to take these things with a grain of salt, but anything even remotely close to that number would be stunning – the US lost 4,431 in two decades in Iraq
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oh boy....

A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president.

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way. . . . A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden.

Thirty-eight percent of Democrats think Trump would have prevented this. After six full years of blanket press coverage calling Trump a pawn of Putin.

That same 62% think he won the election or the election was rigged

Of course Putin wouldn’t have invaded because Trump would have given Putin what he wanted no nato in Ukraine and more us Troops removed from Europe .

Not because he’s a strong leader as you cult members suggest

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.

Who would have guessed

However, 38 percent of all Americans polled believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump had been president


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That same 62% think he won the election or the election was rigged

Of course Putin wouldn’t have invaded because Trump would have given Putin what he wanted no nato in Ukraine and more us Troops removed from Europe .

Not because he’s a strong leader as you cult members suggest

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.

Who would have guessed

However, 38 percent of all Americans polled believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump had been president


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you sound like biden struggling to make a point....

thermobaric rockets systems seen on their way

Yes. Embarrassment for Putin is going to change things not in a good way.
I think it could go way beyond embarrassment. If there’s no clear path out through Ukraine he could drag other countries into this mess or just wage war on the West in general. Start stockpiling canned tuna.

I think it could go way beyond embarrassment. If there’s no clear path out through Ukraine he could drag other countries into this mess or just wage war on the West in general. Start stockpiling canned tuna.

he threatened finland and sweden not to join NATO. If Putin had a brain, i think it’s broke.

it’s hard to believe we’re actually talking about an unprovoked invasion.

I’d love to see Putin answer for this someday.
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he threatened finland and sweden not to join NATO. If Putin had a brain, i think it’s broke.

it’s hard to believe we’re actually talking about an unprovoked invasion.

I’d love to see Putin answer for this someday.
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it's not the first time in history...we just like to act as though it can't happen....

it's not the first time in history...we just like to act as though it can't happen....

but it’s the first time in a loooong time. you’re right, dangerous to get complacent.
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but it’s the first time in a loooong time. you’re right, dangerous to get complacent.
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depends on your definition of long :D

some would include this "And then there was George W. Bush, who unnecessarily invaded Saddam’s Iraq—which had been severely weakened by Bush Sr.’s pounding of it a decade before—on a bunch of trumped up-accusations."

depends on your definition of long :D

some would include this "And then there was George W. Bush, who unnecessarily invaded Saddam’s Iraq—which had been severely weakened by Bush Sr.’s pounding of it a decade before—on a bunch of trumped up-accusations."


very true.
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depends on your definition of long :D

some would include this "And then there was George W. Bush, who unnecessarily invaded Saddam’s Iraq—which had been severely weakened by Bush Sr.’s pounding of it a decade before—on a bunch of trumped up-accusations."
As much as the Iraq war was a tragic blunder all around at least you could argue we were up against an incredibly corrupt authoritarian regime. In Ukraine we’re talking about a mostly peaceful democracy.

Worst quote reportedly overheard from a Russian soldier: “We don’t know who to shoot, they all look like us.”

As much as the Iraq war was a tragic blunder all around at least you could argue we were up against an incredibly corrupt authoritarian regime. In Ukraine we’re talking about a mostly peaceful democracy.



2 for 2 stating the obvious today...good job!

Ukraine claims it's killed almost 3,000 Russian soldiers in the first 36 hours of the invasion.

As ever, you have to take these things with a grain of salt, but anything even remotely close to that number would be stunning – the US lost 4,431 in two decades in Iraq
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I am seeing enough that convinces me that number might be close to accurate. Ukraine's losses are also much higher than reported, but they are holding so far. Ballsy AF.

thermobaric rockets systems seen on their way

They've been doing a lot of Grads in different places but the Thermobaric weapons are an entire different level of bad.

I think it could go way beyond embarrassment. If there’s no clear path out through Ukraine he could drag other countries into this mess or just wage war on the West in general. Start stockpiling canned tuna.

True. Having the electricity off for a long time is not out of the question (cyber or worse) and we are always about 9 meals away from absolute mayhem.

good job....


During the phase of Russia’s troop buildup that began last fall, the White House presented evidence of Russia’s activities surrounding Ukraine to Qin Gang, China’s ambassador to the U.S., according to the New York Times. Instead of pressuring Moscow to back down, the Chinese government shared that intelligence with the Kremlin.

I am seeing enough that convinces me that number might be close to accurate. Ukraine's losses are also much higher than reported, but they are holding so far. Ballsy AF.

Conscripted troops with less training contribute to early losses

They've been doing a lot of Grads in different places but the Thermobaric weapons are an entire different level of bad.

Horrible weapon system. Horrible way to die



True. Having the electricity off for a long time is not out of the question (cyber or worse) and we are always about 9 meals away from absolute mayhem.

Choose your level of preparation...
I think German Chancellor is taking the lead here for a European led coalition. Might be NATO, but could involve non NATO countries as well. He had Polish PM and head of Lithuania in Berlin today. It would be best IMO if this were not US led response. American participation, in a significant way, but not at the head of the coalition.

good job....


During the phase of Russia’s troop buildup that began last fall, the White House presented evidence of Russia’s activities surrounding Ukraine to Qin Gang, China’s ambassador to the U.S., according to the New York Times. Instead of pressuring Moscow to back down, the Chinese government shared that intelligence with the Kremlin.

I think this was good. They tried to get China to assist - no surprise they didn't , but it is good others know.

I think it is good that the Biden admin spilled a lot of beans on RUS leading up to this, including that VP had made its decisions. Too many important leaders with willing to ignore what was happening.

Choose your level of preparation...
I think German Chancellor is taking the lead here for a European led coalition. Might be NATO, but could involve non NATO countries as well. He had Polish PM and head of Lithuania in Berlin today. It would be best IMO if this were not US led response. American participation, in a significant way, but not at the head of the coalition.

I think Poland should be leading, Germany is NOT yet to be trusted based on how they have behaved the past decade WRT Russia and their own defense.

Too bad about all that weaponry we left in Afghanistan...... Just imagine if that had been put in someone else's hands

Too bad about all that weaponry we left in Afghanistan...... Just imagine if that had been put in someone else's hands
Seems like those stories while in know way insignificant were grossly overstated.

JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements


. (Reuters) -Former President Donald Trump condemned on Saturday Russia's invasion of Ukraine and said he was praying for Ukrainians . . .

Trump expressed empathy for Ukrainians and this time praised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, calling him "brave" as he stays in Kyiv, the capital.

"The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all," Trump said.

. (Reuters) -Former President Donald Trump condemned on Saturday Russia's invasion of Ukraine and said he was praying for Ukrainians . . .

Trump expressed empathy for Ukrainians and this time praised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, calling him "brave" as he stays in Kyiv, the capital.

"The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all," Trump said.

Correction: Putin invaded Ukraine because he believed Trump had weakened NATO, split the allies, and divided America.
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Correction: Putin invaded Ukraine because he believed Trump had weakened NATO, split the allies, and divided America.
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which is why he waited for more than a year after trump was gone....

I think this was good. They tried to get China to assist - no surprise they didn't , but it is good others know.

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seems like we overestimated our influence with China, underestimated the relationship China has with Russia....Russian got all of our intelligence and a stronger alliance with and reassurances from China...not sure how that is good

maybe we can give putin our intelligence regarding china and taiwan and ask him to encourage them not to invade :hee:

is putin simply "wrecking Ukraine"?

pretty interesting from 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

Correction: Putin invaded Ukraine because he believed Trump had weakened NATO, split the allies, and divided America.
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No, NATO is divided because Central/Western Europe but particularly Germany got used to spending less on their own defense and expecting the USA to pick up their defense. Putin has for well over a decade done everything possible to erode NATO.

Trump surely divided you.

seems like we overestimated our influence with China, underestimated the relationship China has with Russia....Russian got all of our intelligence and a stronger alliance with and reassurances from China...not sure how that is good

maybe we can give putin our intelligence regarding china and taiwan and ask him to encourage them not to invade :hee:

No, we'll still need to work with them and vice versa - for now. Wait till we bring up Climate Change.

is putin simply "wrecking Ukraine"?

pretty interesting from 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

Going to cost Putin Russia at this rate.

Well Germany has finally come with their checkbook. $100 billion Euro commitment to a military fund. Just this morning in an emergency Sunday morning session.

BERLIN (AP) — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Sunday that Germany is committing 100 billion euros to a special fund for its armed forces, raising its defense spending above 2 percent of GDP.



Not exactly what I would have thought they could do, but clearly a major shift in their defense and security policy

Too bad about all that weaponry we left in Afghanistan...... Just imagine if that had been put in someone else's hands

if Afghan fought like the Ukcrains (as we expected them and fight for Their Freedoms )after we left Biden would have been a Hero

But as we know it never happened

Well Germany has finally come with their checkbook. $100 billion Euro commitment to a military fund. Just this morning in an emergency Sunday morning session.

BERLIN (AP) — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Sunday that Germany is committing 100 billion euros to a special fund for its armed forces, raising its defense spending above 2 percent of GDP.



Not exactly what I would have thought they could do, but clearly a major shift in their defense and security policy

emphasis on "finally"...:laugha:

It has become clear that “we need to invest significantly more in the security of our country, in order to protect our freedom and our democracy,” Scholz said.

Germany has been widely criticized for what many describe as meager investment in its military and its slow and lackluster response to Russia’s military buildup around, and subsequent invasion of, Ukraine.

which is why he waited for more than a year after trump was gone....

Trump if re-elected would have withdrawn the USA from NATO, as he had threatened.
Trump had arms for Ukraine removed from the Republican Party platform as a candidate, Congress had to make arms for Ukraine veto proof and add provisions to prevent the Trump administration from holding up the aid.
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Ukraine, agrees to meeting

lets see how this Goes

I could see the possibilities Ukraine telling Russia you withDraw your forces we will Agree not to Join NATO but will Join the EU ..

It will be a hard Choice For Them to Make or they decide just to go down Swinging no matter the Cost

Trump if re-elected would have withdrawn the USA from NATO, as he had threatened.

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he threatened to get those European countries to commit more...seems like he was right about a lot...

NOV 2018 MILITARY TIMES

President Donald Trump on Monday unloaded on the U.S.’s European allies, and appeared to threaten to pull out of NATO, French President Emmanuel Macron openly rebuked Trump’s political philosophy in a speech the day before.

The U.S. by far spends the most in NATO, both on its own defense budget and on programs to increase the readiness and capabilities of its European allies.

In 2014, NATO countries agreed to raise their defense spending to 2 percent of gross domestic product by 2024. So far, only five countries — mainly in eastern and central Europe where the threat of Russia looms large — have met that pledge.

Since his campaign days, Trump has demanded NATO countries meet that 2 percent figure, or even double it, immediately.

Germany, Europe's biggest economy, has expressed little interest in hitting that benchmark.

Greece is one of the few NATO countries that meet the 2percent spending mark, but it spends much of that on pensions.

WASHINGTON — There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, the military alliance among the United States, Europe and Canada that has deterred Soviet and Russian aggression for 70 years.

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.
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he threatened to get those European countries to commit more...seems like he was right about a lot...

NOV 2018 MILITARY TIMES

President Donald Trump on Monday unloaded on the U.S.’s European allies, and appeared to threaten to pull out of NATO, French President Emmanuel Macron openly rebuked Trump’s political philosophy in a speech the day before.

The U.S. by far spends the most in NATO, both on its own defense budget and on programs to increase the readiness and capabilities of its European allies.

In 2014, NATO countries agreed to raise their defense spending to 2 percent of gross domestic product by 2024. So far, only five countries — mainly in eastern and central Europe where the threat of Russia looms large — have met that pledge.

Since his campaign days, Trump has demanded NATO countries meet that 2 percent figure, or even double it, immediately.

Germany, Europe's biggest economy, has expressed little interest in hitting that benchmark.

Greece is one of the few NATO countries that meet the 2percent spending mark, but it spends much of that on pensions.

Trump nor Biden are responsible for Putin's Invasion Putin is solely Responsible

yet Feel free to Ignore the rest of Trump Actions with NATO and Ukraine and the removal of 12k troops from Germany ...

Trump is Playing you if you think his intentions were to get NATO to Pay More Just like he is still claiming the election was Rigged .. Keep supporting Trump who is more like Putin than your willing to Admit and His past action Show how he's on the Same page as Putin when is comes NATO and Ukraine joining NATO


Cheney Rips Trump, Pompeo for 'Praising' Russian President: 'Putin Is Evil'

Funny I've been pointing these people Siding with Putin showering him with praise offering no condemnation out since this started

and the response from the TRUMP fan club was "who" and now you are attempting to spin Trump's current Action with nonsense from 2018

Putin's war effort in Ukraine seems rather Trumpian in its half-assedness.
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Putin nuclear warning 'dangerous'


Lets see if the russian Military are that stupid to open that pandora's Box

even a small Tactical nuke would be disastrous

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization....
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dear pete...it is currently 2022

Trump nor Biden are responsible for Putin's Invasion Putin is solely Responsible

yet Feel free to Ignore the rest of Trump Actions with NATO and Ukraine and the removal of 12k troops from Germany ...

Trump is Playing you if you think his intentions were to get NATO to Pay More Just like he is still claiming the election was Rigged .. Keep supporting Trump who is more like Putin than your willing to Admit and His past action Show how he's on the Same page as Putin when is comes NATO and Ukraine joining NATO


Cheney Rips Trump, Pompeo for 'Praising' Russian President: 'Putin Is Evil'

Funny I've been pointing these people Siding with Putin showering him with praise offering no condemnation out since this started

and the response from the TRUMP fan club was "who" and now you are attempting to spin Trump's current Action with nonsense from 2018

you are great at getting just about everything wrong :rolleyes:

Funny I've been pointing these people Siding with Putin showering him with praise offering no condemnation out since this started



I didn't see you show that any one person was siding with Putin.

Saying he's cunning and formidable and smart, isn't nearly the same as saying "I hope he wins in Ukraine".

I didn't see you show that any one person was siding with Putin.

Saying he's cunning and formidable and smart, isn't nearly the same as saying "I hope he wins in Ukraine".

he's pretty evil....seems like the euro-weenies are just figuring that out

he's pretty evil....seems like the euro-weenies are just figuring that out

Correct. He's evil. Unfortunately, he's not a buffoon. I wish he was.

That I say he's not a buffoon, doesn't mean I'm siding with him, and you'd be fairly idiotic to say it does mean I'm siding with him.

Tucker Carlson DID say he was siding with Russia, and said he was "obviously kidding". It's a pretty godawful thing to kid about.

Sad, but it’s perfectly ok isn’t it

“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump told conservative podcaster Buck Sexton.

I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right,” Trump continued. “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.”

Then you have the useful idiot Tucker who suggested that Putin’s invasion is just a border dispute. He’s suggested that Biden is doing this to pay off imagined debts to Ukrainian Oligarchs. Tucker laid out Putin’s plan for costs to impose on Americans, in terms of energy costs. Tucker included every single false claim about Ukraine that Russia has been planting since 2016. Every single one.
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I didn't see you show that any one person was siding with Putin.

Saying he's cunning and formidable and smart, isn't nearly the same as saying "I hope he wins in Ukraine".

your Rationalization skills and denial skills once again clearly on display !

Mitt Romney calls pro-Putin sentiments from some in GOP and media ‘almost treasonous’

you dont know him either or he's Just another RINO

another Tucker 2018 0r 2019 moment I am Sure will He be defended as it was Just Humor or Hyperbole


But How Dare the POTUS claim to want to defeat Cancer !

Sad, but it’s perfectly ok isn’t it

“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump told conservative podcaster Buck Sexton.

I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right,” Trump continued. “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.”


You left out Trump's word "No" between the sentences "They’re gonna keep peace all right,” and “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… ” He said No after the sarcastically stated "They're gonna keep peace all right" bit. I listened to the whole podcast. In it Trump said the invasion was a disaster. He was being sarcastic about the "Oh, that's wonderful," and the "They're gonna keep peace all right,"--his tone was his usual sarcasm re that and the "he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper." He didn't actually mean that the invasion was wonderful or that it was a "peace keeping" invasion--He said "No" to that. He actually said in the podcast that it was a disaster.

You left out Trump's word "No" between the sentences "They’re gonna keep peace all right,” and “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… ” He said No after the sarcastically stated "They're gonna keep peace all right" bit. I listened to the whole podcast. In it Trump said the invasion was a disaster. He was being sarcastic about the "Oh, that's wonderful," and the "They're gonna keep peace all right,"--his tone was his usual sarcasm re that and the "he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper." He didn't actually mean that the invasion was wonderful or that it was a "peace keeping" invasion--He said "No" to that. He actually said in the podcast that it was a disaster.

Russian newscasts make it sound much better
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Russian newscasts make it sound much better
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The Buxton and Travis shows are on Apple podcasts.

Here are some other things Trump said on the podcast you misrepresented:

RE NATO: "here were eight countries out of 28 that were paid up, including us. We were paid up. We were more than paid up. We were making up the difference. But we have 28 countries, and eight were paid up, and you had 20 countries that were not. And I was asked a question by one of the presidents of one of the countries in a closed meeting, “Does that mean…?” “Do you mean to say that you wouldn’t protect us?” And I said, “You mean you’re not paid up and you want us to protect you?” I said, “That’s right. We will not protect you if you’re not paid up.” You know what happened? The next day, billions of dollars flowed in."

RE PUTIN AND THE INVASION: "This would never have happened if we [Trump administration] were there. But . . . Chuck Todd asked that question. How come there was none of this happening during the Trump administration? . . I think he [Putin] sees this opportunity. I knew that he always wanted Ukraine. I used to talk to him about it. I said, “You can’t do it. You’re not gonna do it.”

More baloney from you and Trump

Trump, when he claims he got $130 billion extra, is really talking about indirect funding. Since 2006, each NATO member has had a guideline of spending at least 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense spending. At a 2014 summit, responding to Russian aggression in Ukraine, NATO members pledged to meet that guideline by 2024.
Note the date — that was three years before Trump became president, and a year before he even announced he was running for president. Yet he persistently claims credit for actions that were underway before he became president — and consistently misleads about where NATO funding was headed before he became president.

Trump’s foreign policy sought to do much of what Putin wants to achieve, including intimidating Ukraine by withholding vital defensive weapons.

Putin wanted to undermine the NATO alliance, and Trump undermined the NATO alliance. Putin wanted to weaken the E.U., and Trump did everything he could to damage the E.U. Putin wanted to weaken the U.S. political system, and Trump was constantly trying to weaken the U.S. political system.

If Trump had been re-elected, Russia would have become a member of the G8, the sanctions would have ended and Trump would have paved the way for Putin’s seizure of Ukraine
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More baloney from you and Trump

What baloney? You said "JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements"

Which you followed by selecting parts of his statements out of full context and true meaning. I did, as you suggested, read his FULL statements, then corrected your baloney.

Trump, when he claims he got $130 billion extra, is really talking about indirect funding. Since 2006, each NATO member has had a guideline of spending at least 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense spending. At a 2014 summit, responding to Russian aggression in Ukraine, NATO members pledged to meet that guideline by 2024.
Note the date — that was three years before Trump became president, and a year before he even announced he was running for president. Yet he persistently claims credit for actions that were underway before he became president — and consistently misleads about where NATO funding was headed before he became president.

"Were underway? "was headed" Russia was going to wait until 2024? Eight countries had already achieved that goal. The U.S. was spending beyond that goal. The head of NATO praised Trump for helping to speed up the process. We're still almost 3 years away from 2024 and Russia has again done what was the reason for pledging the money.


Trump’s foreign policy sought to do much of what Putin wants to achieve, including intimidating Ukraine by withholding vital defensive weapons.

Trump's foreign policy did not "seek to do what Putin wants. It even countered Putin in some regards. Including the damage to Russias profits from oil with making us a net exporter of oil thus lowering the world price for it.

Ukraine got the vital defensive weapons. And now NATO members are ponying up more money to send Ukraine more weapons and other help. It seems like NATO needed a wake up call to action and spending well before 2024.

Putin wanted to undermine the NATO alliance, and Trump undermined the NATO alliance.

Trump did not undermine the alliance. And there was already grumbling within the alliance which was not putting up as strong a face to Russia as it should.

Putin wanted to weaken the E.U., and Trump did everything he could to damage the E.U.

Trump did not, as you say, do everything he could do to damage the E.U. And the E.U. members had forever conflicted and bickered and "damaged" the efficacy of the EU.

Putin wanted to weaken the U.S. political system, and Trump was constantly trying to weaken the U.S. political system.

Trump was not trying to weaken the U.S. political system. And the Progressives have a hundred year history of weakening the founded system and transforming it into an authoritarian system that is totally turningthe system on its head.

If Trump had been re-elected, Russia would have become a member of the G8, the sanctions would have ended and Trump would have paved the way for Putin’s seizure of Ukraine


The President doesn't have the authority to unilaterally decide who will be accepted into the intergovernmental forum. And, obviously, Putin didn't need being a member of the G8 to "pave his way."

Trump would have paved the way for Putin’s seizure of Ukraine

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dumbest thing written anywhere today :hihi:

Trump was pursuing a deal for his Moscow tower through his campaign and even into his first months in office…and lied to the public about it. Putin knew Trump had balls because he was holding him by them
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The President doesn't have the authority to unilaterally decide who will be accepted into the intergovernmental forum. And, obviously, Putin didn't need being a member of the G8 to "pave his way."

So you would really argue that the West would have produced this level of organized response if Trump was in office and belittling allies, praising Putin, & denigrating international institutions-after extorting Zelensky and falsely claiming Ukraine interfered against him?
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So you would really argue that the West would have produced this level of organized response if Trump was in office and belittling allies, praising Putin, & denigrating international institutions-after extorting Zelensky and falsely claiming Ukraine interfered against him?
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if that’s all so obvious, why didn’t Putin move when Trump was in office? you’re saying Putin would have been far better off invading then, so why didn’t he?

Have fun getting out of that one.
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if that’s all so obvious, why didn’t Putin move when Trump was in office? you’re saying Putin would have been far better off invading then, so why didn’t he?

Have fun getting out of that one.
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Putin’s goal in 2020 just like in 2016 was to get Trump elected.
I’m sure if he had been re-elected and it came out that Putin had waited till after the election, you would be claiming “well, Obama did it”
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Putin’s goal in 2020 just like in 2016 was to get Trump elected.
I’m sure if he had been re-elected and it came out that Putin had waited till after the election, you would be claiming “well, Obama did it”
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you’re saying it was more important for Putin to make Trump look good, than to invade at the optimal time.

Makes sense.
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you’re saying it was more important for Putin to make Trump look good, than to invade at the optimal time.

Makes sense.
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Optimally, Putin would have it given to him.
Like Belarus
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you’re saying it was more important for Putin to make Trump look good, than to invade at the optimal time.

Makes sense.
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Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing? The GOP became the party of Trump, everything he does and says appears to point to him running again, so when we are in the worst European conflict since WWII, instead of showing support for Ukraine, the US or the EU, he lavashes praise on Putin and criticizes everything nato is doing. Trump continues to give Putin wonderful state media clips to bolster his image.

Trump gave Putin just what he needed while in office, undermining nato, legitimizing Putin’s views of Ukraine and his goals, attempting to withhold funding, it’s an easy argument to win on why Putin waited until now, knowing Trump was not in a position to help him further. Keep believing Trump isn’t influenced by Russia, I loved Mitt Romneys comments on both Trump and Green, spot on.

Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing? The GOP became the party of Trump, o when we are in the worst European conflict since WWII, ineverything he does and says appears to point to him running again, sstead of showing support for Ukraine, the US or the EU, he lavashes praise on Putin and criticizes everything nato is doing. Trump continues to give Putin wonderful state media clips to bolster his image.

Trump gave Putin just what he needed while in office, undermining nato, legitimizing Putin’s views of Ukraine and his goals, attempting to withhold funding, it’s an easy argument to win on why Putin waited until now, knowing Trump was not in a position to help him further. Keep believing Trump isn’t influenced by Russia, I loved Mitt Romneys comments on both Trump and Green, spot on.

"Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing?"

No, I'm not questioning it (I'm well aware of Trump Derangement Syndrome), I'm poking fun at it.

"he lavashes praise on Putin"

Is saying "Putin is cunning" the same as saying "I hope Putin wins"? I keep hearing democrats say that republicans and trump are "siding with Putin".

It's fait to speculate about what Trump would have done. But it's all you guys are talking about, you spend almost no time discussing what Biden is doing, and one can assume it's because you know this is another policy failure for Biden and you can't bear discussing it.

I'm with you, I don't want Trump as potus.

How come no word about the Turkish drones the UKR has? Wonder if they have been ineffective?

"Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing?"

No, I'm not questioning it (I'm well aware of Trump Derangement Syndrome), I'm poking fun at it.

"he lavashes praise on Putin"

Is saying "Putin is cunning" the same as saying "I hope Putin wins"? I keep hearing democrats say that republicans and trump are "siding with Putin".

It's fait to speculate about what Trump would have done. But it's all you guys are talking about, you spend almost no time discussing what Biden is doing, and one can assume it's because you know this is another policy failure for Biden and you can't bear discussing it.

I'm with you, I don't want Trump as potus.

Biden has been ramping up sanctions as has the EU, what would you have him do Jim, put boots on the ground in Ukraine? If anything I think both the US and the EU should have initiated sanctions earlier, although based on Russia's troop build up I think Putin wasn't stopping regardless.

Biden has been ramping up sanctions as has the EU, what would you have him do Jim, put boots on the ground in Ukraine? If anything I think both the US and the EU should have initiated sanctions earlier, although based on Russia's troop build up I think Putin wasn't stopping regardless.


another policy failure for Biden


Jims just towing the Party Line ..

Only trump supporters and Haters of the Radical Left would Blame a Sitting U.S President for the invasion of another country 4,800 miles away ... By another Super Power :kewl: it defies Logic or critical thinking

So you would really argue that the West would have produced this level of organized response if Trump was in office and belittling allies, praising Putin, & denigrating international institutions-after extorting Zelensky and falsely claiming Ukraine interfered against him?


Trump's so-called "belittling allies" was to a great extent pointing out that they needed a higher level of response to their own security. He did not see the need to spend so much of our resources to protect them if they did not do so themselves. We were spending tons of money and resources world-wide, Europe, Asia, the Middle East, south of our border, for our security and that of the rest of the world. Trump wanted others to pull some more of that weight. No doubt, that was not a popular message to those who would rather we ease their burden.

So now, Europe understands that he was right. Of course, they wouldn't put it that way.

And Trump's so-called praise of Putin was carefully diplomatic, as was his "praise of Xi and the "little rocket man." But he was also very tough on them. He was tougher on Putin than his predecessor was. He was attacking China's economy and putting pressure on NK.

Sure, tankie
I wonder if it occurs to Trump how useless he is becoming to Putin & his oligarchs now that there’s no more money flowing into USA to launder?
Given that no US, UK or EU bank is willing to lend to Trump Co, and Russia’s banks now appear off limits, that leaves only the Saudi’s to bail Trump out on the millions of loans coming due. Will they?
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PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

Scary that now Putin is really in a bad position and the influx of supplies and troops seems to indicate a renewed commitment to take the capital city. I certainly hope all the new sanctions and arms aid help them hold Russia a bay long enough for the impact in Russia to start to make him think twice about going further.

Only Biden supporters and Haters of the Conservative Right would Blame a Former U.S President for the invasion of another country 4,800 miles away ... By another Super Power :kewl: it defies Logic or critical thinking

Fixed it. :kewl:
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Scary that now Putin is really in a bad position and the influx of supplies and troops seems to indicate a renewed commitment to take the capital city. I certainly hope all the new sanctions and arms aid help them hold Russia a bay long enough for the impact in Russia to start to make him think twice about going further.

agreed 100%.

i just worry that Putin is crazy and capable of anything if he senses his back is against the wall.
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PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

Never in my lifetime would i think that the Swiss would do that. Bravo to them.

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.



Pete is the CNN of S-B
Trump hate 24-7-365 and if you don’t agree with him you’re a Racist
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