Russia is probably coming this time. Each time RUS flocks to the border they bring more stuff and leave some behind before coming back. Does it happen now (possible) or in late Feb after the Beijing Olympics and Xi goes after Taiwan? Neither are outside the realm of possibility.

I am so glad that the adults are back in charge in the US because they told me this would not happen.

Interesting read; https://nationalinterest.org/feature/not-drill-putin%E2%80%99s-going-ukraine-time-198365

will be very interesting.
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It will be just like watching January 6... We ALL knew it was coming and who was behind it all...

Putin smells weakness in Washington, Europe, and Ukraine. There’s never been a better time to reclaim his “historic lands.” Will we let him?

Read The Whole article and saw nothing on their suggestion on how we won’t let Him. Except For the mention of moving Troops into Poland?

Putin knows NATO won’t respond with military force or we already would have moved Troops and equipment already

so what the answer to stop him if he wants. Force ? I know many conservatives think so , it’s that masculinity thing , but the Article levels out the previous administration. Putin didn’t start and plan this build up since January

I honestly think Putin was going to invade even if Trump won the election. due to Trump losing the election and with that lost went his free pass . He never Feared Trumps reaction. But now a NATO under a unified front he had to change gears . Being out of Afghanistan has only improved the US and NATO position to re deploy Troops and equipment…. And we have not treaty obligations with Ukraine

And yet Republicans and right media are beating the war drums and calling the new administration weak? But they praised Trump at ever turn for him not starting a new war! Trump was the first president since Ronald Reagan to not wage a new war. Kiss ass Pence made some very powerful claims. "I’m proud to report with just a few days left in our Administration, our Administration is the first in decades that did not get America into a new war. That’s Peace through Strength,"
Guess war against American voter don’t count

Here is a different opinion piece

We don’t need any conspiratorial analysis of Trump’s links with Russia to make this case. We just need look at the facts. Trump has been sympathetic to Putin in public statements for nearly a decade. As for Ukraine, Trump was so heedless of its security that he conditioned U.S. military aid on political favors in the famous 2019 phone call that resulted in his first impeachment.


The record of Trump’s fawning comments is embarrassingly long. In March 2014, he tweeted: “I believe Putin will continue to re-build the Russian Empire.” In August 2015, he told Fox News: “Frankly, I’d get along great with him.” In April 2016, he enthused: “We’re going to have a great relationship with Putin and Russia.” Most egregiously, Trump encouraged Russia’s meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. (“Russia, if you’re listening …”) Even after the U.S. intelligence community presented him with hard intelligence about Russia’s sabotage in January 2017, Trump publicly minimized it.
At the Helsinki summit in 2018, Trump actually took Putin’s side on the election-meddling issue — over that of his intelligence advisers. (“I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be.”) Daniel Coats, then director of national intelligence, rebuffed Trump.



Trump supporters blame Biden for making Putin think America is in retreat. There’s no question that the world is worried about U.S. resolve after the chaotic Afghanistan withdrawal, but in the Ukraine crisis Biden has behaved with the right mix of firmness and diplomacy.
Putin and Trump share the same playbook. Defy and disrupt; plead innocence when confronted; negotiate through intimidation. They act like pro wrestlers with fake theatrical bluster, but the danger is all too real. The rule of law is a noble concept, but it needs to be enforced.

Trump’s links
Trump has
Trump was
Trump’s fawning
Trump encouraged
Trump publicly
Trump actually
Trump.
Trump supporters
Trump share



obviously trump's fault :rotflmao:

It will be just like watching January 6... We ALL knew it was coming and who was behind it all...

yes...the Illuminati :kewl:

yes...the Illuminati :kewl:


Your New World Order is going to come with a cost.... I will be on the side of America, first and always. Not sure where some here stand.:deadhorse:

Your New World Order is going to come with a cost.... I will be on the side of America, first and always. Not sure where some here stand.:deadhorse:

you heard there are two america's...right?

you heard there are two america's...right?

When you have Tucker Carlson broadcasting Russian propaganda and all the Trumplicans listening, what would you expect.
The head of one party has spent the past five years pushing Putin’s agenda and his followers blindly obey.
Oh, it’s a hoax, we’ll soon see the results of TFG’s gaslighting and he’ll get another loan
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It will be just like watching January 6... We ALL knew it was coming and who was behind it all...


Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

^^^^THIS^^^^^

First time a coup/insurrection ended with a subway ride home for most involved. :rolleyes:
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Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

Why is Rachel Maddow always the conservatives example ?

Funny most of people professing Jan. 6th wasn’t a threat to democracy and claiming the rest of America is over reacting. Are mostly conservatives funny how that works ..


I find it amazing at the lengths some go to rationalize to themselves and others , the events during the election after the election and the clear coordination by Republicans leaders to overturn the election are some how separate and apart to those who attacked the capital And just not an area of concern :rotflmao:

Just stupid?

On Jan. 6, 2021, hundreds of supporters of former President Donald Trump broke through police lines and stormed the U.S. Capitol, forcing a panicked evacuation of top political leaders and threatening the country's peaceful transfer of power. The violent attack was an act of domestic terrorism, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Approximately 140 members of law enforcement suffered injuries in the attack, many at the hands of rioters wielding pepper spray, metal pipes and American flags fashioned into clubs. Those injuries included brain damage and crushed spinal discs. Five people ultimately died during or soon after the riot, though not all their deaths have been directly attributed to the events that day. One woman, Ashli Babbitt, was shot and killed by Capitol police. More than 1 million dollars of damage was done to the Capitol building.

In response to the attack, the Department of Justice launched what has become the largest criminal investigation in American history, involving scores of federal investigators and prosecutors across the country.
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Election denier who circulated Jan. 6 PowerPoint says he met with Meadows at White House

I guess nothing to see
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Just stupid?

On Jan. 6, 2021, hundreds of supporters of former President Donald Trump broke through police lines and stormed the U.S. Capitol, forcing a panicked evacuation of top political leaders and threatening the country's peaceful transfer of power. The violent attack was an act of domestic terrorism, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Approximately 140 members of law enforcement suffered injuries in the attack, many at the hands of rioters wielding pepper spray, metal pipes and American flags fashioned into clubs. Those injuries included brain damage and crushed spinal discs. Five people ultimately died during or soon after the riot, though not all their deaths have been directly attributed to the events that day. One woman, Ashli Babbitt, was shot and killed by Capitol police. More than 1 million dollars of damage was done to the Capitol building.

In response to the attack, the Department of Justice launched what has become the largest criminal investigation in American history, involving scores of federal investigators and prosecutors across the country.
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Up to your usual tricks--John didn't say JUST stupid. And, yeah, he is right. It was stupid. And he is right about it being "not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says."

But it sure looks like the Dems are trying to make it look it was.

And nice slide out of the thread subject into your favorite stuff.

Up to your usual tricks--John didn't say JUST stupid. And, yeah, he is right. It was stupid. And he is right about it being "not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says."

But it sure looks like the Dems are trying to make it look it was.

And nice slide out of the thread subject into your favorite stuff.

It’s important stuff and what happened will come out.


Agreeing (and ordering subordinates) to plan and participate in an effort to obstruct the vote certification
Encouraging the Proud Boys to believe they are his army
Personally sowing the Big Lie about voter fraud to lead supporters to believe Trump has been robbed of his rightful election win
Asking subordinates and Republican politicians to lie about the vote to encourage supporters to feel they were robbed
Encouraging surrogates and campaign staffers to fund buses to make travel to DC easier
Using the January 6 rally to encourage as many people as possible to come to DC
Applauding violence in advance of January 6 and tacitly encouraging it on the day
Recruiting members of Congress to raise challenges to the vote count
Asking members of Congress to delay evacuation even as the rioters entered the building, heightening the chance of direct physical threat (and likely contributing to Ashli Babbitt’s death)
Asking Mike Pence to do something unconstitutional, then targeting him after he refused, virtually ensuring he would be personally threatened
Possibly muddling the line of command on which civilian agency would coordinate response, ensuring there would be none
Possibly taking steps to delay any Guard response at the Capitol
Possibly ignoring immediate requests from help from leaders of Congress
DOJ knows exactly what happened with Trump’s requests that DOJ serve as the civilian agency to lead response on Janaury 6, and some of the witnesses have given transcribed interviews to Congress and probably DOJ IG. Some details about which there remain questions — who delayed the National Guard — would be available to subpoena. The big question, and it’s a big one, is what kind of communications Trump had with members of Congress to ensure there was maximal conflict and physical risk on that day.
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Just stupid?


American flags fashioned into clubs.


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:uhuh:

Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

John, I am surprised at your assessment of my post. It did not mention any media member by name, nor did it give such a magnanimous label to the event... The point was that you and I knew there was a confrontation of sorts coming on January 6. We also knew what type of group was coming and who was encouraging them to travel there. And if I knew, why wasn't there a beefed up presence of "security" to support the Capitol Police, who in the end, were the ones who took the hit.

In the Ukraine, the world watched as Putin directed his troops to the border in numbers that would easily support a successful invasion of the country. While I am reading reports of their pullback by the thousands this morning, it does not change the fact that we know who is in charge of those troops and what their intent was meant to be.

Technology has allowed us to see these events in real time. Both appear to be over, but we watched history from our homes as it happened, and were powerless to change or stop it. Yet we could all see the build up in the days and weeks ahead of their happening. Which is the bigger threat? More to the point, which can we have the greater effect on to change the course of history going forward?

Lastly, stupid is too timid, weak, and unassertive a word to describe what we bore witness to on January 6. It certainly doesn't cover the actions I saw by zealots trying to stop the Congress from doing their work in ratifying the Electoral College process. The division in our country is real. But this was a very wrong way to effect change or even gain clear thinking supporters. If anything, it deepened the divide and pushed away many lifelong republican supporting voters.

I’ve done a search with Rachel maddow January 6th the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War

All I found was

Right-wing erupts after Biden declares Jan. 6 “worst attack on democracy since Civil War"
One right-wing website angrily "fact-checked" the claim as "false"


Biden ripped for calling Capitol riots ‘worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War

https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/biden-calls-capitol-riots-worst-attack-on-our-democracy-since-the-civil-war/

And as if on cue the right can’t accept the truth and this is how they respond.. with their hero Glenn Greenwald .. he is a local favorite of some here

January 6 was worse than 9/11? Or Pearl Harbor?” prominent journalist Glenn Greenwald asked of the president’s claim to Congress Wednesday night used as apparent proof that he was leading the US out of crisis.

“Or the Oklahoma City bombing? Or the dismantling of civil liberties in the name of the Cold War and War on Terror?

“Or the mass surveillance program secretly and illegally implemented by NSA aimed at US citizens?” continued Greenwald, referring to the Edward Snowden expose of government documents he first reported.

“How about the War on Drugs, mass incarceration and Jim Crow? Were those worse ‘attacks on democracy’ than the 3-hour Capitol riot on Jan. 6?

Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..

All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?". :huh:

John, apparenly, your thread title should have been "Ukraine--or Jan. 6 if You'ld Rather."

Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..

All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?". :huh:

Yup
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Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?". :huh:

But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?

hope they got stress balls for Christmas....:hihi:

Is it possible, as some are saying, that Russia doesn't need to nor has the desire to invade Ukraine? That the conflict is not really between Ukraine and Russia, but between Ukraine and two of its territories, Donetsk and Luhansk. That those two have been trying to negotiate its disputes, as required per the Minsk accords, with Ukraine, but Ukraine is not relenting. And that Russia has been asking Biden to intervene and convince Ukraine to settle its internal problems, but no US intervention has occurred, so Donetsk and Luhansk are threatening to break away from the Unkrainian federation and asking Russia to accept them. And Russia is saying OK. So Russia doesn't have to invade. Just sit back and take them. It may show troops at the border to signal that it will back the breakaway regions.

Any opinions on that?

Is it possible, as some are saying, that Russia doesn't need to nor has the desire to invade Ukraine? That the conflict is not really between Ukraine and Russia, but between Ukraine and two of its territories, Donetsk and Luhansk. That those two have been trying to negotiate its disputes, as required per the Minsk accords, with Ukraine, but Ukraine is not relenting. And that Russia has been asking Biden to intervene and convince Ukraine to settle its internal problems, but no US intervention has occurred, so Donetsk and Luhansk are threatening to break away from the Unkrainian federation and asking Russia to accept them. And Russia is saying OK. So Russia doesn't have to invade. Just sit back and take them. It may show troops at the border to signal that it will back the breakaway regions.

Any opinions on that?

State Dept has issued an advisory for Americans not to travel to Ukraine due to an impending further invasion threat by Russia.
Americans should be “aware of reports that Russia is planning for significant military action against Ukraine” and that security could deteriorate
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State Dept has issued an advisory for Americans not to travel to Ukraine due to an impending further invasion threat by Russia.
Americans should be “aware of reports that Russia is planning for significant military action against Ukraine” and that security could deteriorate
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Any opinion on the Ukraine internal conflict being peacefully resolved between Ukraine and its dissident regions, Donetsk and Luhansk, or is that baloney?

Any opinion on the Ukraine internal conflict being peacefully resolved between Ukraine and its dissident regions, Donetsk and Luhansk, or is that baloney?

Are you really a Russian troll or do you just play one on the internet?

You do know that Russia already invaded Ukraine in 2014 and still occupies Ukrainian territory?
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Are you really a Russian troll or do you just play one on the internet?

You do know that Russia already invaded Ukraine in 2014 and still occupies Ukrainian territory?
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What's to stop Russia from occupying more?

But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?

I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.

So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.

Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.

So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.

So you think America and nato should have used force to stop Putin when he took Crimea? And should do so if they move on Ukraine ? For what benefit?

Also you think all Trump did to nato was make nato pay more?? To strengthen nato Thats funny he weakened Nato more in 4 years than any previous POTUS ..

Try searching how Trump weakened nato

All lies??
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So you think America and nato should have used force to stop Putin when he took Crimea? And should do so if they move on Ukraine ? For what benefit?

Also you think all Trump did to nato was make nato pay more?? To strengthen nato Thats funny he weakened Nato more in 4 years than any previous POTUS ..

Try searching how Trump weakened nato

All lies??
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I didn't render an opinion on how Putin should have been stopped. I asked you "So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now"?

And opinions on NATO being weakened or strengthened during Trump's administration are prone to being politicized. Here's one for you that's more balanced and says NATO became stronger and it criticizes Trump but says that NATO was strengthened partially in spite of Trump and partially because of him:

http://turkishpolicy.com/article/965/nato-at-70-how-trump-has-strengthened-the-alliance

I didn't render an opinion on how Putin should have been stopped. I asked you "So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now"?

And opinions on NATO being weakened or strengthened during Trump's administration are prone to being politicized. Here's one for you that's more balanced and says NATO became stronger and it criticizes Trump but says that NATO was strengthened partially in spite of Trump and partially because of him:

http://turkishpolicy.com/article/965/nato-at-70-how-trump-has-strengthened-the-alliance


Turkish Policy Quarterly is an Istanbul-based quarterly magazine
From 2018 From Turkeys no less
Not sue if you missed theses in the article

Paradoxically Trumps attacks on the alliance are actually strengthening the alliance defenders are coming out the woodwork especially in Congress. Jedi mind trick?

Or how about “ European confidence in American leadership has plunged during Trumps watch

So basically Trumps incompetent behavior and treatment towards NATO accidentally strengthens NATO LOL


The only person stopping Putin is Putin
Risk vs reward

only the Trump fan club think Trumps masculinity kept Putin out and Biden is weak
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Turkish Policy Quarterly is an Istanbul-based quarterly magazine
From 2018 From Turkeys no less
Not sue if you missed theses in the article

Paradoxically Trumps attacks on the alliance are actually strengthening the alliance defenders are coming out the woodwork especially in Congress. Jedi mind trick?

Or how about “ European confidence in American leadership has plunged during Trumps watch

So basically Trumps incompetent behavior and treatment towards NATO accidentally strengthens NATO LOL


The only person stopping Putin is Putin
Risk vs reward

only the Trump fan club think Trumps masculinity kept Putin out and Biden is weak
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Criticizing NATO, especially when criticism is needed, is not "attacking" NATO. Calling criticism "attacking" is oppositional framing. Criticizing flaws in an alliance is needed to strengthen it, not make it weaker. Signaling that you may leave a bad alliance should motivate corrections rather than only complaints. It was already weakened before Trump. Stiffening a few wobbly spines may raise some bitchy complaints. But it's for the better. No doubt Biden will build it better. At least he'll frame it that way.

So what do you think the risks and rewards are for Putin to attack. By "attack," I mean an actual physical, armed attack, not political verbiage.

Turkish Policy Quarterly is an Istanbul-based quarterly magazine
From 2018 From Turkeys no less

The writer of the article is Charles A. Kupchan a Professor of International Affairs at Georgetown University and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Is that good enough for you?

Not sue if you missed theses in the article


Kupchan gave the "good" and the "bad." Overall, he said that NATO was strengthened during Trump, not weakened. And that, overall, Trump aided in the strengthening. As I said, his opinion is more balanced (as opposed to politically driven opinions).

Not sure if you also missed this: https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/428920-trumps-criticisms-have-reinvigorated-nato

If you were Ukraine, Russia today would be like a person you divorced thirty years ago because he was beating you, now coming back with a knife saying you belong to him.
With all your neighbors standing around saying how concerned they are but doing nothing to help as they don’t want to make him angry.
And he claims that the knife is not to attack you but to protect himself from your new boyfriend. Claims he feels threatened by the guy you’re about to marry while you’re not even engaged yet.
It says something about Russia that even Bulgaria, once renowned as the unofficial 16th republic of the USSR, couldn't wait to join the EU and NATO.
But keep arguing for the most corrupt oligarchy in the world.
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There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.

Just a hunch

But keep arguing for the most corrupt oligarchy in the world.
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Who's doing that?

only the Trump fan club think Trumps masculinity kept Putin out and Biden is weak

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so you are saying Russia annexed Crimea because they feared obama...they annexed/invaded nobody during the trump years because trump was a weak puppet of putin and now they are threatening to invade Ukraine because biden is a strong leader and they are terribly afraid...

makes sense to me:)

So basically Trumps incompetent behavior and treatment towards NATO accidentally strengthens NATO LOL


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this is your bias screaming....HELP

so you are saying Russia annexed Crimea because they feared obama...they annexed/invaded nobody during the trump years because trump was a weak puppet of putin and now they are threatening to invade Ukraine because biden is a strong leader and they are terribly afraid...

makes sense to me:)

I am not surprised

No I have said Putin invaded Crimea because he wanted to

He’s afraid of Biden because he’s fixing the damage done to nato by you know who, who questioned NATO existence and Trump Told G7 Leaders That Crimea Is Russian Because Everyone Speaks Russian In Crimea .. with his enablers out of the White House ! now he needs to change gears..

And if Putin does invade Ukraine there is not military response Biden could make with out congressional approval.. but most conservatives want a tough guy response it their viagra ,, sanctioning Russia isn’t masculine enough

this is your bias screaming....HELP

Even you have fallen to his Jedi mind trick

If you think Trumps behavior towards nato was intentional .

With the goal of strengthening NATO

Russian court orders oldest civil rights group Memorial to shut

Curious timing

Ric Grenell, former acting director of national intelligence, told Newsmax on Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ''smelling weakness'' from the U.S. and President Joe Biden regarding the situation in Ukraine.

''It's really a problem because Putin is seeing weakness. He's smelling weakness,'


Like I said it’s all the right is pushing :btu:

He’s afraid of Biden......



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Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.
January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

Not to the right, who are trying every which way they can to regain or hold on to power.

January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?

i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.

when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?

When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.

When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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Do as I say, not as I do
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Do as I say, not as I do
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and both sides constantly do it, obviously, politics attracts the worst. but they’ll never admit it. never. they can’t. democrats are always right, republicans are always wrong, because life is just that simple.
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and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?

i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.

when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?

When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.

When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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More false equivalencies :1poke:

More false equivalencies :1poke:

More as in added to yours.

More false equivalencies :1poke:

Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.

try making that even a little bit wrong.
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Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.

try making that even a little bit wrong.
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Pretty simple to make it wrong
There’s no provision for “primaries” in the Constitution.
In fact the current two party system is the founder’s nightmare.
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Pretty simple to make it wrong
There’s no provision for “primaries” in the Constitution.
In fact the current two party system is the founder’s nightmare.
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ok.

how about the left, after the 2016 election, asking electors to ignore the outcome of our democratic process, the left didn’t like the outcome, so they tried to change the outcome after a free election.

isn’t that pretty much what trump was asking for on january 6th?

have fun with that.

there are democrats in congress today, who objected to states’ electors casting their votes for trump after the 2016 election. but as always, it’s ok when they do it.
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Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.
Couple a Sanders supporters, a few wanted some to go against Clinton also.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.
No it just means I’m tired of your - I read on a tabloid two years ago and can’t drop it - level of insight.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.
Actually super delegates represented a small minority of overall delegates, but it’s kid of moot anyway as they only use them in contested primaries now.

:1poke:

Couple a Sanders supporters, a few wanted some to go against Clinton also.


No it just means I’m tired of your - I read on a tabloid two years ago and can’t drop it - level of insight.


Actually super delegates represented a small minority of overall delegates, but it’s kid of moot anyway as they only use them in contested primaries now.

:1poke:

that whole post s a joke.

yes, superdelegates only matter in close primaries. but why not just trust the democrat voters? why do unelected superdelegates get to overrule the results of a free and fair election?

why was it ok when democrats asked electors not to cast their votes for trump? why wasn’t that undermining free and fair elections?

you can’t begin to make that wrong. lobbing baseless insults just proves my point.

everything is ok when democrats do it.
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ok.

how about the left, after the 2016 election, asking electors to ignore the outcome of our democratic process, the left didn’t like the outcome, so they tried to change the outcome after a free election.

isn’t that pretty much what trump was asking for on january 6th?

have fun with that.

there are democrats in congress today, who objected to states’ electors casting their votes for trump after the 2016 election. but as always, it’s ok when they do it.
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No, You’re wrong
It’s not fun, it’s the greatest threat to the constitution since the war between the states.
And let’s not forget Y’all are acting like you’ve never seen a 43 year old Governor who only won by 30k votes in a State with 21m people who he failed to protect from a deadly virus for 2 years so he could suck-up to MAGA base & imitate a septuagenarian grifter go missing for 2 weeks at Xmas before.
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No, You’re wrong
It’s not fun, it’s the greatest threat to the constitution since the war between the states.
And let’s not forget Y’all are acting like you’ve never seen a 43 year old Governor who only won by 30k votes in a State with 21m people who he failed to protect from a deadly virus for 2 years so he could suck-up to MAGA base & imitate a septuagenarian grifter go missing for 2 weeks at Xmas before.
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why is it wrong for trump to try and undermine an election, but no problem when democrats did it in 2016?you keep dancing around that, can’t imagine why.

you say desantis failed, but you won’t say that about Cuomo, whose numbers are worse despite having a fewer percentage of elderly.

You’re a thoughtless political hack. you are the exact, precise mirror image of sean hannity, you’re exactly as predictable as he is. Do you not see that? You’re the same parrot that he is.

So according to your side, Cuomo was the “gold standard “ in covid leadership. And even though Desantis has a lower death rate ( with more seniors and fewer lockdowns), he failed??

That just makes ALL KINDS of sense.

And huge numbers of people
are moving to FL. So America doesn’t agree with you, Pete. You’re scared sh*tless of Desantis, and it shows, and you’re right to be.


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Keep making up baloney
You tried to make primaries, which only exist in the realm of political parties equivalent to a general election.
Then you falsely claim some equivalence between Cuomo and DeathSantis
Poor victim
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Keep making up baloney
You tried to make primaries, which only exist in the realm of political parties equivalent to a general election.
Then you falsely claim some equivalence between Cuomo and DeathSantis
Poor victim
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again, why was it so bad for trump to try and undermine the 2020 election, but no big deal when democrats tried to undermine the 2016 election?

there is no equivalence between Cuomo and Desantis. Desantis did better, he had more seniors, he didn’t crush his states economy,,didn’t keep kids out of school as long, yet he has a lower death rate. That’s as clear as “winning” can be. Winning, winning, winning.

And huge numbers of new yorkers are fleeing to FL, and if weather was the only reason, they’d be going to CA instead of FL but they aren’t. They’re choosing FL in huge numbers.

Winning, winning, winning. And it’s eating at you!!!’
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pete, enjoy…new yorkers moving to florida “in record numbers.”. record numbers. do you know what that means?



https://brooklyneagle.com/articles/2021/08/31/nycs-exodus-to-florida-big-businesses-residents-fleeing-at-record-levels-despite-rosy-census-data/
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Sure Jim,
I’m of an age where I have a lot of retired friends
Some have adopted Floriduh residency to escape income taxes, spend half the year plus a day there, still keep a home in the North.
Retirees don’t give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about education in Floriduh, their grandchildren aren’t there.
Just where’s DeathSantis anyway?
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Floriduh virus increased over the past two weeks by more than 1000%, winning the role as leader among the states.
DeathSantis has disappeared
Counties are overwhelmed w/ lines that stretch for miles, DeathSantis said FL will not open state run testing sites, @HealthyFla has basically declared the pandemic is over, and FL has over 46K COVID cases today. It’s every man/woman for themselves, because leadership is MIA.
Maybe he’ll blame it on Cuomo and all the New Yorkers who fled bringing Covid with them.
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He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

Back to Ukraine for a minute why is every conservatives talking head or Congress member cheering for Putin to invade Ukraine? Instead of getting behind the POTUS and show a United front towards Russia, when they know
Biden or Trump would have used force ..

Rep. Budd to Newsmax: Russian Aggression Due to 'Weakness' From Biden

that Russia would not be threatening to invade Ukraine if former President Donald Trump was still in office, attributing reports of their offensive to "weakness in the way that Biden has led."
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why is every conservatives talking head or Congress member cheering for Putin to invade Ukraine? Instead of getting behind the POTUS and show a United front

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I remember when all of those leftist talking heads and congress members got behind trump....yeah...that was great.....

Rep. Budd to Newsmax: Russian Aggression Due to 'Weakness' From Biden

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I'm sure putin is even more afraid after their recent discussions...

I remember when all of those leftist talking heads and congress members got behind trump....yeah...that was great.....

I know right! shame on the Democratic’s for not getting getting behind the Trump about a stolen election or support him giving North Korea legitimacy and Trumps bromance or get behind him that the virus is going to disappear or getting behind him that hydroxy works or getting behind Trump when he believes Putin over his own intel community

It’s always the same with conservatives it’s about owning the libs and cheering for the enemy to assist in embarrassing the current administration if possible
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It’s always the same with conservatives it’s about owning the libs and cheering for the enemy to assist in embarrassing the current administration if possible

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you are hilarious.....

He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

al those businesses and people
moving there have been fooled. that’s why everyone lives there, sees how awful it is, and returns to NY. right, Einstein?

did you ever criticize Gov Cuomo?
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He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

not that bad apparently....

By BRIAN STIEGLITZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 02:40 EST, 31 December 2021

'Welcome to Florida, AOC!' NYC Rep. escapes Big Apple's restrictive COVID mandates to dine maskless in Miami - sparking Gov. DeSantis's office to congratulate her on 'enjoying a taste of freedom'
U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was seen having a maskless meal in Miami Beach, Florida, on Thursday
The outspoken progressive Democrat staunchly supports mask and vaccine mandates, despite the state foregoing them
Ocasio-Cortez was dragged on Twitter by conservatives joking about her strict stance on COVID protocols
'We hope you're enjoying a taste of freedom here in the Sunshine State thanks to @RonDeSantisFL's leadership,' the Team DeSantis account tweeted

not that bad apparently....

By BRIAN STIEGLITZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 02:40 EST, 31 December 2021

'Welcome to Florida, AOC!' NYC Rep. escapes Big Apple's restrictive COVID mandates to dine maskless in Miami - sparking Gov. DeSantis's office to congratulate her on 'enjoying a taste of freedom'
U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was seen having a maskless meal in Miami Beach, Florida, on Thursday
The outspoken progressive Democrat staunchly supports mask and vaccine mandates, despite the state foregoing them
Ocasio-Cortez was dragged on Twitter by conservatives joking about her strict stance on COVID protocols
'We hope you're enjoying a taste of freedom here in the Sunshine State thanks to @RonDeSantisFL's leadership,' the Team DeSantis account tweeted

AOC is partying in FL, while he says there are no covid survivors there. that’s too perfect.
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al those businesses and people
moving there have been fooled. that’s why everyone lives there, sees how awful it is, and returns to NY. right, Einstein?

did you ever criticize Gov Cuomo?
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Florida had the largest net migration gains in the country, a measurement of people moving in and out of the state. But it also had the biggest “natural” decrease in population, which involves comparing numbers of births and deaths.
OMG people moved out?

The Sunshine State’s growth rate during the year, 1.0%, was eighth highest. Idaho had the nation’s fastest growing population during the year, increasing by 2.9%, followed by Utah, Montana,

Idaho most are from California sell a house make a quick 600k or more move to Idaho build a nice house pocket the rest .. and still be a liberal what’s not to love ❤️


With over 31,000 migrants from Canada to Florida between 2005 and 2015, Florida saw more in-migration from Canada than Texas and New York combined!

Don’t tell Jim that ! He insist Everyone was moving to FLA to because they like conservatives
And don’t forget the 4.5 million immigrants (foreign-born individuals) comprised 21 percent of the population. In FLA….
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He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

AOC was photographed drinking without a mask in miami mensch this weekend.

what does that tell you? how concerned is she with Florida’s covid policies?

let’s change his name to governor death-sentence!!!
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Florida had the largest net migration gains in the country, a measurement of people moving in and out of the state. But it also had the biggest “natural” decrease in population, which involves comparing numbers of births and deaths.
OMG people moved out?

The Sunshine State’s growth rate during the year, 1.0%, was eighth highest. Idaho had the nation’s fastest growing population during the year, increasing by 2.9%, followed by Utah, Montana,

Idaho most are from California sell a house make a quick 600k or more move to Idaho build a nice house pocket the rest .. and still be a liberal what’s not to love ❤️


With over 31,000 migrants from Canada to Florida between 2005 and 2015, Florida saw more in-migration from Canada than Texas and New York combined!

Don’t tell Jim that ! He insist Everyone was moving to FLA to because they like conservatives
And don’t forget the 4.5 million immigrants (foreign-born individuals) comprised 21 percent of the population. In FLA….
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why are californians moving to a red state like Idaho? what makes idaho appealing, exactly?

i tel guy that migration from NY to FL is at a record high. your response, is that more people
nice from canada to FL.

so what? that does t begin to disprove my point.

blue states are going to be losing congressional seats. red states will be gaining.

i never said why people are moving to FL. i said it can’t only be climate, be sure southern CA had warm climates too. had to be something else.


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why are californians moving to a red state like Idaho? what makes idaho appealing, exactly?
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Potatoes, lots of them.

Potatoes, lots of them.

can’t answer seriously, eh?

wealthy liberals like to enjoy the obvious benefits of well run conservative states ( not all conservative states are well run obviously). those liberals deny those benefits to their own constituents, but they grab those rewards with both hands for themselves.


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wealthy liberals like to enjoy the obvious benefits of well run conservative states ( not all conservative states are well run obviously). those liberals deny those benefits to their own constituents, but they grab those rewards with both hands for themselves.
Actually a lot of them just want to get away from traffic.

Actually a lot of them just want to get away from traffic.

and there arent any liberal places with no traffic? why not remote VT?

desperately searching for an answer that fits your narrative?

the truth is they want to go to places that are cheap. the vast majority of cheap places,, are conservative.
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AOC was photographed drinking without a mask in miami mensch this weekend.

what does that tell you? how concerned is she with Florida’s covid policies?

let’s change his name to governor death-sentence!!!
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We all are convinced you’re not a misogynist
Fully-vaccinated woman has drink outside, in keeping with proper public health protocols.
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and there arent any liberal places with no traffic? why not remote VT?

desperately searching for an answer that fits your narrative?

the truth is they want to go to places that are cheap. the vast majority of cheap places,, are conservative.
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Liberal Vermont is actually growing
Most people have other values than things being cheap unlike you
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why are californians moving to a red state like Idaho? what makes idaho appealing, exactly?



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Do you always need to be led by the hand ?

I guess you never heard of the great outdoors !

People from California love the state for their abilities to be in the great outdoors seems Idaho provides the same …. Plus cheap housing

Their not moving to become conservatives

Boise Set Out to Become the Next Austin or Seattle. Instead, It's On Track to Become the Next Silicon Valley

REPUBLICANS ARE POISED TO GERRYMANDER THEIR WAY BACK TO THE MAJORITY

The actual rigging of elections
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Do you always need to be led by the hand ?

I guess you never heard of the great outdoors !

People from California love the state for their abilities to be in the great outdoors seems Idaho provides the same …. Plus cheap housing

Their not moving to become conservatives

Boise Set Out to Become the Next Austin or Seattle. Instead, It's On Track to Become the Next Silicon Valley

REPUBLICANS ARE POISED TO GERRYMANDER THEIR WAY BACK TO THE MAJORITY

The actual rigging of elections
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i don’t need to be led by the hand, i’m obviously baiting you.

“plus cheap housing.”

how come the states that offer a lower cost of living, are almost all
conservative?

and if liberals support policies that guarantee a. high cost of living, why do so many liberals eventually flee for cheaper, conservative places? why don’t liberals choose to stay where it’s liberal? if liberals think it’s better to live to conservative places, shouldn’t they consider becoming conservative?

If you prefer living in Idaho to living in California, youre kind of saying that conservatism is better than liberalism. northern CA has plenty of spectacular wide open spaces,, stunning natural beauty, low traffic, etc. but they flee to Idaho. like new yorkers fleeing to FL.

as to re-districting, well, republicans control a healthy majority of state legislatures. As Obama
was fond of saying, “elections have consequences.”. if citizens wanted democrats to draw their congressional districts, they’d elect democrats. but they didn’t.

democrats need to appeal to people between the coasts. I’m certain that AOC and Pelosi and Schumer will help in that regard.

In all seriousness, i hope you and your family have a spectacular new year! we all deserve it.


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i don’t need to be led by the hand, i’m obviously baiting you.

“plus cheap housing.”

how come the states that offer a lower cost of living, are almost all
conservative?


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Jim again why do you need others to answer these simple questions

In a nut shell

Because red states less desirable to live in. It’s supply and demand.


But technology has changed where and how people can work.. Aka the internet many red states are just recently embracing a improving their digital infrastructure

Just look at Atlanta suburbs

By 2050, metro Atlanta is projected to swell by nearly 3 more million people, boosting the 21-county region’s population to 8.6 million, according to forecasts recently published by the Atlanta Regional Commission.

Additionally, the research shows, the metro area is on track to become “much more racially and ethnically diverse,”

Not a good trend for Republicans

The number of Americans identifying as Republicans or as independents who lean toward the GOP dropped to 40% in the first quarter of 2021

Only in the GOP echo chambers of fox Newmax OAN , is the message is the opposite


The U.S. Senate, as you know, is currently divided 50-50 along party lines

But, according to the calculation , if you add up the population of states and assign half to each of their two senators, “the Democratic half of the Senate represents 41,549,808 more people than the Republican half.”

But the GOP wants you to believe they represent the Majority of Americans.. it’s a scam
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Jim again why do you need others to answer these simple questions

In a nut shell

Because red states less desirable to live in. It’s supply and demand.


But technology has changed where and how people can work.. Aka the internet many red states are just recently embracing a improving their digital infrastructure

Just look at Atlanta suburbs

By 2050, metro Atlanta is projected to swell by nearly 3 more million people, boosting the 21-county region’s population to 8.6 million, according to forecasts recently published by the Atlanta Regional Commission.

Additionally, the research shows, the metro area is on track to become “much more racially and ethnically diverse,”

Not a good trend for Republicans

The number of Americans identifying as Republicans or as independents who lean toward the GOP dropped to 40% in the first quarter of 2021

Only in the GOP echo chambers of fox Newmax OAN , is the message is the opposite


The U.S. Senate, as you know, is currently divided 50-50 along party lines

But, according to the calculation , if you add up the population of states and assign half to each of their two senators, “the Democratic half of the Senate represents 41,549,808 more people than the Republican half.”

But the GOP wants you to believe they represent the Majority of Americans.. it’s a scam
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“red states are less desirable to live in”.

right, which is why people are fleeing blue states for red states.

you’re right, the gop is done. look at how they got creamed in VA and NJ. and what all the polling is saying.

must be exhausting to find ways to deny every single fact that you don’t like.

if the hispanics vote the way they did in VA ( might happen, might well not), you might not like the fact their
numbers are increasing.

What happened in VA and NJ? Why is Biden polling where he is? Why is Harris polling where she is? why do generic polls look great for the gop this year?
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“red states are less desirable to live in”.

right, which is why people are fleeing blue states for red states.

you’re right, the gop is done. look at how they got creamed in VA and NJ. and what all the polling is saying.

must be exhausting to find ways to deny every single fact that you don’t like.

if the hispanics vote the way they did in VA ( might happen, might well not), you might not like the fact their
numbers are increasing.

What happened in VA and NJ? Why is Biden polling where he is? Why is Harris polling where she is? why do generic polls look great for the gop this year?
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1 election isn’t a trend

Now polls matter funny how that works

And why such dramatic langue “fleeingl”. Yep that’s what they are doing lol

FYI. People in Colorado with the wild fires ! that’s what fleeing looks like
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1 election isn’t a trend

Now polls matter funny how that works

And why such dramatic langue “fleeingl”. Yep that’s what they are doing lol

FYI. People in Colorado with the wild fires ! that’s what fleeing looks like
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you’re right, one election isn’t a trend. I mentioned VA, NJ, and every poll taken for the last few months. what do you think that all adds up to? it’s not all a consistent, clear trend as of now?

people are fleeing blue (stupidly expensive) states for red ( more affordable) states. i’m sorry that spits in the face of your agenda and happens to help my agenda. but it’s true.

Obviously not everything goes against liberalism, wayne. but some things do. you can’t admit any of it. you deny every single thing that favors conservatism.
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i’m sorry that spits in the face of your agenda and happens to help my agenda. but it’s true.

Jim your the only person I know who spews this fleeing argument is based on 1 thing escaping liberalism .

then when presented with many other factors to why its happening

It is I who should be saying "i’m sorry that spits in the face of your agenda "

because you are the one insisting no other reasons exist Besides fleeing liberalism.. that's what an agenda looks like

some more facts

The Sunshine State get a deal on homeownership, paying less than 1% for property taxes while other popular states pay more than 2%.

I doubt people are moving because of 1%

The Association reports that close to 28% of the people relocating to Florida came from Texas
so are Texans fleeing liberalism? 6% coming from California. how can that be

and of course Florida’s no income tax along with Alaska, Nevada, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming

States with no income tax often make up the lost revenue with other taxes or reduced services. See Jim there is Always a catch

Apparently not everyone is moving out of the NYC metro area

For much of 2021, the suburban New York real estate markets continued to be dominated by bidding wars, long lines at open houses and rising prices, as the housing inventory in many communities fell short of demand.

Fueling the frenetic activity, which started in mid-2020, was the allure of still-low mortgage rates, along with an influx of pandemic-weary city dwellers and new millennial buyers. At the same time, homeowners were holding onto their properties longer, many unable to afford to upgrade.

“It was the same story across all the suburbs,” said Jonathan J. Miller, a Manhattan-based real estate appraiser who also monitors suburban markets.
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i’m sorry that spits in the face of your agenda and happens to help my agenda. but it’s true.

Jim your the only person I know who spews this fleeing argument is based on 1 thing escaping liberalism .

then when presented with many other factors to why its happening

It is I who should be saying "i’m sorry that spits in the face of your agenda "

because you are the one insisting no other reasons exist Besides fleeing liberalism.. that's what an agenda looks like

some more facts

The Sunshine State get a deal on homeownership, paying less than 1% for property taxes while other popular states pay more than 2%.

I doubt people are moving because of 1%

The Association reports that close to 28% of the people relocating to Florida came from Texas
so are Texans fleeing liberalism? 6% coming from California. how can that be

and of course Florida’s no income tax along with Alaska, Nevada, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming

States with no income tax often make up the lost revenue with other taxes or reduced services. See Jim there is Always a catch

please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

many people move just for the weather, or proximity to golf, work, etc. but politics is a part of it, a big part, because politics plays a big role in determining the cost of living of a place.

liberals want to pretend it has nothing to do with liberalism. i just point out that’s it’s part of it. i never came close to saying it’s 100% because of liberalism.

you say “it’s more than politics”, then say part of it is low taxes.

Earth to Wayne….low taxes primarily exist in places that are economically conservative.

do you really think that tax rates have nothing to do with whether or not a state is liberal or conservative?

think of the cheapest states to
live in, in terms of taxes. how many are solidly blue states? any?

“states with low taxes often give up services.”

correct. and americans are figuring out, that they’ll happily give up whatever those services are, to avoid taxes.

NH has no income tax or sales tax. i could move there and put an extra $1,000 in my pocket every month for the rest of my life. i don’t know what i’d be giving up exactly, in terms of services. my friends who have moved there from CT don’t feel like they gave up anything.

i think what you give up, is waste.


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please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

many people move just for the weather, or proximity to golf, work, etc. but politics is a part of it, a big part, because politics plays a big role in determining the cost of living of a place.

liberals want to pretend it has nothing to do with liberalism. i just point out that’s it’s part of it. i never came close to saying it’s 100% because of liberalism.

you say “it’s more than politics”, then say part of it is low taxes.

Earth to Wayne….low taxes primarily exist in places that are economically conservative.

do you really think that tax rates have nothing to do with whether or not a state is liberal or conservative?

think of the cheapest states to
live in, in terms of taxes. how many are solidly blue states? any?

“states with low taxes often give up services.”

correct. and americans are figuring out, that they’ll happily give up whatever those services are, to avoid taxes.

NH has no income tax or sales tax. i could move there and put an extra $1,000 in my pocket every month for the rest of my life. i don’t know what i’d be giving up exactly, in terms of services. my friends who have moved there from CT don’t feel like they gave up anything.

i think what you give up, is waste.


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please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

every post you make on the topic... :thanks:

please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

every post you make on the topic... :thanks:

i’ve repeatedly said it’s one reason.

you see zero connection between taxes and politics. it’s just a coincidence that liberal states tend to have high taxes and conservative states tend to have low taxes.
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i’ve repeatedly said it’s one reason.

you see zero connection between taxes and politics. it’s just a coincidence that liberal states tend to have high taxes and conservative states tend to have low taxes.
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More smoke and mirrors Jim

conservatives states have less services ! OMG 8 of the top 10 on the federal teat! are red states states.. odd for red states to scream about socialism but won't tax their residents in an effort to pay their own states Bills .. funny how that works yet

Red States Lead With Federal Dependence red states are 24% dependent on federal funds as compared to 14% of blue states



in the U.S. that were most dependent on the federal government in 2021,

1 New Mexico Blue

2 West Virginia Red

3 Mississippi Red


4 Alaska Red



5 Montana Red


6 Kentucky Red

7 Alabama Red

8 Arizona Red

9 Louisiana Red

10 Vermont Red


So clearly federal dollars from Blue states are funding the ability of red states to not tax their residents .. But claim their against raising taxes! but have no issues taking federal moneys to prop up their states finances so they dont need to raise taxes .. hypocrisy at its finest ,

So clearly federal dollars from Blue states are funding the ability of red states to not tax their residents .. But claim their against raising taxes! but have no issues taking federal moneys to prop up their states finances so they dont need to raise taxes .. hypocrisy at its finest ,

This is a very simple minded view that completely ignores the big picture
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This is a very simple minded view that completely ignores the big picture
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Please elucidate on the BIG picture for those who might have simple minds
Use small words and succinct explanations so your interpretation is clear.
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This is a very simple minded view that completely ignores the big picture
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according to AOC, these guys only attack us because they have the hots for us. Scott, we’re a couple of hotties!
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Obviously, demonstrating the preponderance of the use of the little head is not readily apparent to the Trumplicans
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There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.

Just a hunch

As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839

As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839

Agreed that this is a huge chess piece, however Putin can play chicken with this pipeline, however, eventually they cant afford to shut it down. Russia is broke, and this is a big source of revenue for Putin visa vie the oligarchs.

Ukraine will also not be a popular war internally in Russia, but Putin may be too far in without backing out w/o saving face....

^^^^awwww.....miss you guys :wave:

Agreed that this is a huge chess piece, however Putin can play chicken with this pipeline, however, eventually they cant afford to shut it down. Russia is broke, and this is a big source of revenue for Putin visa vie the oligarchs.

Ukraine will also not be a popular war internally in Russia, but Putin may be too far in without backing out w/o saving face....

It’s my hunch that what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine.. but we shall see.

It’s my hunch that what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine.. but we shall see.

Nebestrodamus.....we will watch this one :conf:

Shocking watch Rs taking the side of Russia over the Ukraine.

Shocking watch Rs taking the side of Russia over the Ukraine.

Russia shares their Democratic values. Did you really not know that?
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Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-president-told-biden-calm-down-russian-invasion-warnings-report-2022-1
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Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-president-told-biden-calm-down-russian-invasion-warnings-report-2022-1
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biden creates unwanted panic every time he speaks....struggled a bit with "decrepit" yesterday...which is ironic

de·crep·it
/dəˈkrepət/
adjective
(of a person) elderly and infirm.


can't make this stuff up......

Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-president-told-biden-calm-down-russian-invasion-warnings-report-2022-1
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Another FJB flag flyer speaks

Seems you haven’t been following Ukraine that closely

DEC 16th

Russia could invade us ‘in the blink of an eye,’ Ukrainian foreign minister warns

JAN 28th. But now the message has changed.

Ukraine's president told Biden to 'calm down' Russian invasion warnings, saying he was creating unwanted panic: report

So which is It?
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Another FJB flag flyer speaks

Seems you haven’t been following Ukraine that closely

DEC 16th

Russia could invade us ‘in the blink of an eye,’ Ukrainian foreign minister warns

JAN 28th. But now the message has changed.

Ukraine's president told Biden to 'calm down' Russian invasion warnings, saying he was creating unwanted panic: report

So which is It?
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Just like the science changing, so do current events, the latest was that their prez told our prez to STFU

I kept the reply short to help with your comprehension issues.
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not sure if the MAGA world or Republicans pay any attention to past events

Republican after Republican keep parroting the same message

Putin 'Smells Weak US and' What happened on Trump's watch? Nothing,''

But they were singing a different tune in early 2020

Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah described Trump's move as "a gift to Russia" and a "slap in the face at a friend and ally.

retired US Navy Adm. Jim Stravidis, the former top military commander in Europe and NATO, said hurts NATO solidarity overall, and is a gift to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin."

There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, 2016

let's revisit Trumps watch on Ukraine and Nato

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

Trump’s barrage of attacks ‘beyond belief,’ reeling NATO diplomats say

Trump Belittles NATO in the Run-Up to the Putin Summit july 2018

Trump's Germany troops pullout may be his last gift to Putin before the election

Trump has offered No statements centered on Ukraine have been published on his PAC’s website. Jan 2022... no condemnation towards russia or Putin

and we all know how he tried to Strong Arm Ukraine for Dirt on Biden


So in a nutshell Putin Ask Trump to withdraw troop and destabilize nato and like a good Puppet and he did just that
Just like he Tried to steal the election here in the US

yet republicans refuse to hold him accountable for anything


But their outraged and see

That Biden relaunches 'Cancer Moonshot' initiative aimed at halving rate of cancer deaths by 2047 as arrogance


Why when It comes to Trump everything is somehow a coincidence

never planned or done in coordination with others even when the facts show otherwise ?

not sure if the MAGA world or Republicans pay any attention to past events

Republican after Republican keep parroting the same message

Putin 'Smells Weak US and' What happened on Trump's watch? Nothing,''

But they were singing a different tune in early 2020

Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah described Trump's move as "a gift to Russia" and a "slap in the face at a friend and ally.

retired US Navy Adm. Jim Stravidis, the former top military commander in Europe and NATO, said hurts NATO solidarity overall, and is a gift to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin."

There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, 2016

let's revisit Trumps watch on Ukraine and Nato

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

Trump’s barrage of attacks ‘beyond belief,’ reeling NATO diplomats say

Trump Belittles NATO in the Run-Up to the Putin Summit july 2018

Trump's Germany troops pullout may be his last gift to Putin before the election

Trump has offered No statements centered on Ukraine have been published on his PAC’s website. Jan 2022... no condemnation towards russia or Putin

and we all know how he tried to Strong Arm Ukraine for Dirt on Biden


So in a nutshell Putin Ask Trump to withdraw troop and destabilize nato and like a good Puppet and he did just that
Just like he Tried to steal the election here in the US

yet republicans refuse to hold him accountable for anything


But their outraged and see

That Biden relaunches 'Cancer Moonshot' initiative aimed at halving rate of cancer deaths by 2047 as arrogance


Why when It comes to Trump everything is somehow a coincidence

never planned or done in coordination with others even when the facts show otherwise ?

Youre saying the GOP got it all wrong on this? Shocker...

Youre saying the GOP got it all wrong on this? Shocker...

Which Part blaming Biden or ignoring that Trump did Just what Putin wanted divided NATO and pulled Troops out of europe..

Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.
“While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”

No official readout was Taken :faga: and then 12000 troops were ordered to leave europe in 2020 Just before the election




Seems Putin started moving Troops once Trump lost.. another coincidence?? since March experts say they are witnessing something new. Russia has started sending thousands of troops, tanks, artillery and other units to Crimea and regions along its 1,200-mile land border with Ukraine, yet weak Biden Freezes Trump’s Withdrawal of 12,000 Troops From Germany Feb. 4, 2021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

Republican senators say they are not moved by Fox News host Tucker Carlson's recent rants in favor of Russia's Vladimir Putin while deriding support of Ukraine.

Carlson has been on a tirade rationalizing Russia's aggression toward Ukraine and downplaying its relevance to U.S. national security.

But major Republican figures are not afraid of taking on Fox's top-rated host for what they believe is dangerous thinking, if not outright propaganda.


amazing Tucker again ...

Which Part blaming Biden or ignoring that Trump did Just what Putin wanted divided NATO and pulled Troops out of europe..

Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.
“While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”

No official readout was Taken :faga: and then 12000 troops were ordered to leave europe in 2020 Just before the election




Seems Putin started moving Troops once Trump lost.. another coincidence?? since March experts say they are witnessing something new. Russia has started sending thousands of troops, tanks, artillery and other units to Crimea and regions along its 1,200-mile land border with Ukraine, yet weak Biden Freezes Trump’s Withdrawal of 12,000 Troops From Germany Feb. 4, 2021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

"Trump did Just what Putin wanted"

The left desperately wanted to paint Trump as soft on Russia. While he obviously has a soft spot for Putin, here's what Trump did with Russian policy...

1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco; and 9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent.

The left repeats "Trump is a Russian puppet" often enough, that many, like you, will assume it's true, nodding like livestock when you hear it.

The facts are pretty different. He was tough on Russia.

NATO was created to defend against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists. Today's Russia, isn't yesterdays USSR, not by a long shot.

Sorry to demolish a good, liberal, anti Trump rant with facts.
You go ahead and tell me which of those things, Trump didn't do.

You can fill the oceans with Trump's faults. Being soft on Russia, ain't one of them. It says nothing to you that Putin is getting so aggressive now? With Pudding Brain in the White House?

"Trump did Just what Putin wanted"

The left desperately wanted to paint Trump as soft on Russia. While he obviously has a soft spot for Putin, here's what Trump did with Russian policy...

1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco; and 9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent.

The left repeats "Trump is a Russian puppet" often enough, that many, like you, will assume it's true, nodding like livestock when you hear it.

The facts are pretty different. He was tough on Russia.

NATO was created to defend against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists. Today's Russia, isn't yesterdays USSR, not by a long shot.

Sorry to demolish a good, liberal, anti Trump rant with facts.
You go ahead and tell me which of those things, Trump didn't do.

You can fill the oceans with Trump's faults. Being soft on Russia, ain't one of them. It says nothing to you that Putin is getting so aggressive now? With Pudding Brain in the White House?

Sorry but Putin’s puppet let Putin’s GDP grow each year of his administration, undermined Zelinsky, played his idiotic power trips with NATO partners and never forget Helsinki.

The RNC spent years giving cover to the many scandals involving Trump while he was having an affair with Russia, whose President happened to be Trump's leading banker.

If you find yourself echoing Putin - Biden is goading Russia to invade Ukraine - you should reconsider your assumptions. Putin was trained to lie in the KGB, killed innocents, annexed territory, arrested opponents. You trust him? Want to be on his side?

Some people seem surprised the Trump/America First wing of the GOP is so vehemently against helping Ukraine against Putin. But the original America First Committee was vehemently against helping Britain against Hitler. “America First” was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
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brandon administration losing the only people left propping them up...

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, tweeted: “Both of these responses from Psaki and Price are completely dumb and gross and only make them, and the case they are making, look worse.”

Wonder why Russia wants to invade.

How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

Wonder why Russia wants to invade.

How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

wow. i wonder if they do a good job at managing all that, is it still a very poor country?
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UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss says the government is "very clear there could be an imminent invasion of Ukraine" and calls on British citizens to "leave now"

Let me guess the Brits are making this up

Yet Republicans running in high-profile primary races aren't racing to defend Ukraine against a possible Russian invasion. They're settling on a different line of attack: Blame Biden, not Putin.

The gop Doing the fear on the border … Biden cares more about Ukraine's border than America's southern border.

Because don’t forget according to conservatives we are being invaded by Brown people
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wow. i wonder if they do a good job at managing all that, is it still a very poor country?
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oligarchs working in collaboration with the ruling establishment. The economy is riddled by inefficiency and corruption. State enterprises continue to drain the national budget to the enrichment of its controlling interests.

And US President trying to blackmail them hasn’t helped
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Wonder why Russia wants to invade.

How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

Wow. Quite a list... Not doubting, but do you have a source? I want to use but will likely be asked to back it up.... Thanks, Bob

We pledged security in exchange for Ukraine giving up the nukes within its borders after the USSR fell.
Ukraine supported the US by rotating a couple thousand troops through Iraq over several years, with about 20 KIA.
They’re TRYING to grow a Democracy.
Not perfectly but far better than Putin
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Wow. Quite a list... Not doubting, but do you have a source? I want to use but will likely be asked to back it up.... Thanks, Bob


Source: Andriy Futey
Ukrainian Congress Committee of America Ukrainian World Congress - Свiтовий Конґрес Українців

"Just because there's Russian buildup does not mean that we know or that there is a plan to actually invade," "I think this has just been an emotional push by the Americans

Grenell said Thursday during an appearance on Newsmax's "Spicer & Co."

Shocking Trump's Former Acting Director of the United States National Intelligence made those statements its America's Fault

Fox News coverage
1) Putin would not do this if Trump was in office . Leaving out who attacked nato and pulled out US troops out of Germany . Because it not crazy to think because Putin Asked

2) the Biden administration is fear mongers

Yep 150 plus thousand or russian troops aircraft and artillery Is some how normal and Biden’s fault

FYI. If Russia invaded at any level you’ll see oil 150 buck a barrel
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Fox News coverage
1) Putin would not do this if Trump was in office .

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well, he didn't...soooo

well, he didn't...soooo

I’m super excited about the new wave of Trump/Bannon Pro Putin Tankies on the American right.

It will help you see them more clearly and understand exactly what they are now.
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I’m super excited about the new wave of Trump/Bannon Pro Putin Tankies on the American right.

It will help you see them more clearly and understand exactly what they are now.
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oh definitely...

oh definitely...

If Trump was still POTUS Putin would be in Poland by now. His tiny hands are all over this crisis in Ukraine.
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If Trump was still POTUS Putin would be in Poland by now. His tiny hands are all over this crisis in Ukraine.
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This is an example of how you see "more clearly and understand exactly"--conjecture, postulation, speculation . . .

So why didn't Putin make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS?

This is an example of how you see "more clearly and understand exactly"--conjecture, postulation, speculation . . .

So why didn't Putin make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS?

what a great question!
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This is an example of how you see "more clearly and understand exactly"--conjecture, postulation, speculation . . .

So why didn't Putin make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS?


Because Trump was working on the 1 and 2 on list he gave Trump 3,4,5 and 6 never happened because he wasn't re elected

1) Discrediting NATO Check and 2) Pulling Troops out of Germany check
:faga::faga::faga:


Former Ambassador to Germany Ric Grenell told Newsmax Friday that the administration of President Joe Biden and the national media are "marching us into war" in Ukraine.

"I'm a diplomat. I'm just sitting here watching in total frustration that we don't have any ambassadors. We don't have people trying to solve this problem diplomatically," Grenell, the former Acting Director of the United States National Intelligence, said

When Donald Trump was president, we didn't have a march towards war. We didn't start any new wars. We brought our troops home.

Conservatives Lie so effortlessly


No other Country Sees what we see in the US ? the US is making it all UP

Next Grenal will be telling us CNN is firing Artillery into Donbas to improve their ratings ..

its odd most fox coverage is with Canada Truckers not Ukraine

Canada protests: Police begin to make arrests at Ottawa protest

Police have also accused protesters of using children as a shield.

even Canadians Can't tolerate them (minority ) and their methods

if you yell freedom while your doing anything in the Conservative world , you're covered

But dont stand for Freedom in Ukraine and against Russia thats war mongering

In case you forgot, the guys who are about to invade Ukraine had Trump eating out of their palms right in the Oval Office as he gave them secrets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html
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All fear mongering we say he's going in Putin Says he Isn't conservatives believe Putin? or is it Like Trump's attempt to overturn the election We'll they didn't succeed so what's the big Deal


Blinkin “Let me be clear, I am here today not to start a war but to prevent one,” He also said something to the effect if they pull back and dont invade call me a liar I'll take that criticism

funny they yelled rigged election for 3 years and that didn't seem to bother them? But suggesting Russia might invade having 150k troop massed on Ukraine border well that's outrageous

All fear mongering we say he's going in Putin Says he Isn't conservatives believe Putin? or is it Like Trump's attempt to overturn the election We'll they didn't succeed so what's the big Deal


Blinkin “Let me be clear, I am here today not to start a war but to prevent one,” He also said something to the effect if they pull back and dont invade call me a liar I'll take that criticism

funny they yelled rigged election for 3 years and that didn't seem to bother them? But suggesting Russia might invade having 150k troop massed on Ukraine border well that's outrageous

who is outraged at the suggestion russia might be getting ready to invade?

maybe you should just
ask republicans what they believe. because whoever is telling you what we believe, is playing a big trick on you.
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who is outraged

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I told you, they just make it up then argue against themselves as if they have a point...it's hilarious

I told you, they just make it up then argue against themselves as if they have a point...it's hilarious

he just thinks if the craziest nonsense he can, and claims
republicans all believe it.

i’ve never heard one person say it’s an outrage to discuss whether or not russia is preparing to invade ( my guess is no, that he’s posturing to get a deal that we don’t put NATO on his doorstep, like we didn’t want russian nukes in cuba). we can disagree about his intentions, we can disagree about whether or not it’s our problem. i don’t know anyone saying it’s an outrage to say he’s preparing to invade.
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democraps are very busy constructing false flag operations everywhere...must be terribly nervous....

who is outraged at the suggestion russia might be getting ready to invade?

maybe you should just
ask republicans what they believe. because whoever is telling you what we believe, is playing a big trick on you.
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Jim being in Denial what a shocker ...


Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa., told Newsmax on Friday that the crisis over whether Russia will invade Ukraine has been ''created by President Joe Biden.'' Perry attributed Biden's weak leadership

Ric Grenell told Newsmax Friday that the administration of President Joe Biden and the national media are "marching us into war" in Ukraine. (local hero here )

Like I said to the GOP claims it outrageous to suggest the Russian might invade! or they would be supporting the administration in their conclusions


Russia has repeatedly denied having plans to invade, saying troops are conducting military exercises in the region, accusing the West of "hysteria". why does that sound just like the 2 quotes from the GOP Conservatives??

Boris Johnson
He said we must be "unflinchingly honest" about the situation in Ukraine and should not "underestimate the gravity of this moment".

Is he in on Bidens "hysteria"

why does that sound just like the 2 quotes from the GOP Conservatives??



it doesn't....

Jim being in Denial what a shocker ...


Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa., told Newsmax on Friday that the crisis over whether Russia will invade Ukraine has been ''created by President Joe Biden.'' Perry attributed Biden's weak leadership

Ric Grenell told Newsmax Friday that the administration of President Joe Biden and the national media are "marching us into war" in Ukraine. (local hero here )

Like I said to the GOP claims it outrageous to suggest the Russian might invade! or they would be supporting the administration in their conclusions


Russia has repeatedly denied having plans to invade, saying troops are conducting military exercises in the region, accusing the West of "hysteria". why does that sound just like the 2 quotes from the GOP Conservatives??

never, ever heard of scott perry, neither did you. he speaks for nobody.

harvey weinstein was a huge democrat. do his actions speak for anybody other than himself?

Scott Perry is the GOP? If you say so…

november is gonna be so sweet.
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never, ever heard of scott perry, neither did you. he speaks for nobody.

harvey weinstein was a huge democrat. do his actions speak for anybody other than himself?

Scott Perry is the GOP? If you say so…

november is gonna be so sweet.
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I know Jim you don’t think they speak for the gop you also don’t think these 2 speak for the GOP. Either

boebert who said I identify as non-Bidenary.

Or Marjorie Taylor Greene's saying

Nancy Pelosi, falsely accusing her of having "gazpacho police spying on members of Congress,"


Speak for the GOP
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Because Trump was working on the 1 and 2 on list he gave Trump 3,4,5 and 6 never happened because he wasn't re elected

1) Discrediting NATO Check and 2) Pulling Troops out of Germany check
:faga:

NATO discredits itself by depending on U.S. troops being stationed in their countries rather than building up their own forces. And by not paying their agreed to share of money to support NATO. If European countries were as serious about doing what was necessary to defend themselves as they are about having us defend them, and, as well, not being dependent on Russian gas, and by faithfully, consistently, posing the belligerent stance against Russia that they are pretending to do during this Ukraine "crisis," Russia wouldn't be as bold as they are acting now.

Fact is, regardless of what reasons for it you conger up, Russia did not "make it into Poland" while Trump was POTUS. They weren't even threatening to.

Fact is, regardless of what reasons for it you conger up, Russia did not "make it into Poland" while Trump was POTUS. They weren't even threatening to.



trump maybe had the #2 list on a sticky note and accidentally flushed it down the toilet along with the boxes of TOP SECRET documents....

I wonder if these guys ever go back and read the nonsense they write and :eek5:

boebert who said I identify as non-Bidenary.

Or Marjorie Taylor Greene's saying

Nancy Pelosi, falsely accusing her of having "gazpacho police spying on members of Congress,"


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these are pretty funny...

I know Jim you don’t think they speak for the gop you also don’t think these 2 speak for the GOP. Either

boebert who said I identify as non-Bidenary.

Or Marjorie Taylor Greene's saying

Nancy Pelosi, falsely accusing her of having "gazpacho police spying on members of Congress,"


Speak for the GOP
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then the Jew hating anti semitic bigotry of Talib and Omar speak for all democrats. and the few who despise cops. And Hank Johnson being so completely stupid, that he was worried Guam was going to tip over if we built a base there.

if a small number of republican jerks represent the entire GOP, will you concede that a small number of liberal jerks speak for the entire democrat party? or do you apply that logic only when it suits you?

Biden said republicans want to put blacks in chains, has a rape allegation against him, said obama
was the first clean looking black he has seen ( something like that), he’s a plagiarist, he lied about getting arrested with Nelson Mandela, lied about driving an 18 wheeler, and his son obviously got wealthy by trading on daddys influence.

Rep Eric Swalwell was having an affair with a chinese spy.

using your logic, does all that represent you? or are you trying to have it both ways?
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then the Jew hating anti semitic bigotry of Talib and Omar speak for all democrats. and the few who despise cops. And Hank Johnson being so completely stupid, that he was worried Guam was going to tip over if we built a base there.

if a small number of republican jerks represent the entire GOP, will you concede that a small number of liberal jerks speak for the entire democrat party? or do you apply that logic only when it suits you?

Biden said republicans want to put blacks in chains, has a rape allegation against him, said obama
was the first clean looking black he has seen ( something like that), he’s a plagiarist, he lied about getting arrested with Nelson Mandela, lied about driving an 18 wheeler, and his son obviously got wealthy by trading on daddys influence.

Rep Eric Swalwell was having an affair with a chinese spy.

using your logic, does all that represent you? or are you trying to have it both ways?
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When. You have no response you start regurgitating your usual talking points



British PM Johnson: Russia Planning Biggest War in Europe Since 1945

More fear mongering Right


Jim this is your problem you believe
The Dems you listed speak for the party because thats how you’ve been told to believe

The Republicans you claim don’t represent the GOP . Do ! Not because I think it’s True . But actual polling says they are the new flag bearers of the GOP

30% of GOP voters view Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene favorably, up 11 points since last week.

Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the No. 3 House Republican, is liked by 22% of Republicans

59% of voters nationwide have an opinion of Greene, matching prominence of Cheney and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.).

prominence what a way to describe Greene’s standing in the GOP



Even Dan Crenshaw in Trouble from his own far right GOP base
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When. You have no response you start regurgitating your usual talking points



British PM Johnson: Russia Planning Biggest War in Europe Since 1945

More fear mongering Right


Jim this is your problem you believe
The Dems you listed speak for the party because thats how you’ve been told to believe

The Republicans you claim don’t represent the GOP . Do ! Not because I think it’s True . But actual polling says they are the new flag bearers of the GOP

30% of GOP voters view Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene favorably, up 11 points since last week.

Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the No. 3 House Republican, is liked by 22% of Republicans

59% of voters nationwide have an opinion of Greene, matching prominence of Cheney and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.).

prominence what a way to describe Greene’s standing in the GOP



Even Dan Crenshaw in Trouble from his own far right GOP base
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you’re the one finding obscure nobodies and saying they represent the entire gop. that is, when you’re not making stuff up about the gop.

i was taking your page out of your book. and you mocked it, without realizing you were mocking yourself

70% don’t view MTG favorably. you left that out.

what % of democrats view AOC and ihan Omar favorably? you didn’t mention for some
reason. .

if your gibberish is rational, how do you explain what happened in VA and NJ, how do you explain polling?
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i was taking your page out of your book. and you mocked it, without realizing you were mocking yourself

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they catch on eventually...sometimes....maybe not...

you’re the one finding obscure nobodies and saying they represent the entire gop. that is, when you’re not making stuff up about the gop.

i was taking your page out of your book. and you mocked it, without realizing you were mocking yourself

70% don’t view MTG favorably. you left that out. is that how Polls work that's new

what % of democrats view AOC and ihan Omar favorably? you didn’t mention for some
reason. . didn't have to. I never claimed they WERE THE PARTY you did

if your gibberish is rational, how do you explain what happened in VA and NJ, how do you explain polling? back to reguration
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Marjorie Taylor Greene says she’s the GOP base, not the fringe. We’ll see in 2022.

PS you know this thread is about Ukraine Correct




Once upon a time, if a Russian dictator felt tempted by the weakness of a Democratic president to invade a European country, the conservative reaction would have been uniform and predictable. not any more :kewl:

Here's another one

A Marine Corps veteran running for Senate in Ohio's GOP primary does not "really care what happens to Ukraine" and is "sick" of President Joe Biden focusing on defending Ukraine's border and not our own.


or How about this Guy


President Joe Biden has fueled this Russian-Ukraine crisis by canceling the Keystone XL Pipeline his first day in office and waiving sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline, Putin's "lifeline," according to Sen. John Thune, R-S.D.

Someone should tell Thune the none of XL pipeline was even built under Trump But the Nord Stream 2 was and neither is even operational .... that what Fearmongering looks like


or Cruz Blasts Biden for Setting Stage to Russia's Threatened Invasion of Ukraine Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Sunday blamed President Joe Biden’s “weakness” for leaving Europe on the verge of war with Russia.


Cotton Decries Failure To Impose Sanctions To Deter Russian Invasion Of Ukraine now Cotton is siding with The Ukrainian president


I know Jim these are all obscure nobodies in the GOP:kewl:

Fact is, regardless of what reasons for it you conger up, Russia did not "make it into Poland" while Trump was POTUS. They weren't even threatening to.


seem you forgot your 1st post which I responded


Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
This is an example of how you see "more clearly and understand exactly"--conjecture, postulation, speculation . . .

So why didn't Putin make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS?

my response

Because Trump was working on the 1 and 2 on list he gave Trump 3,4,5 and 6 never happened because he wasn't re elected


So clearly I never mentioned Poland or Poland being threatened ..

you Did

seem you forgot your 1st post which I responded


Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
This is an example of how you see "more clearly and understand exactly"--conjecture, postulation, speculation . . .

So why didn't Putin make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS?

my response

Because Trump was working on the 1 and 2 on list he gave Trump 3,4,5 and 6 never happened because he wasn't re elected


So clearly I never mentioned Poland or Poland being threatened ..

you Did

Seems like you forgot that my "first post" to which you responded was a response to Pete F's post "If Trump was still POTUS Putin would be in Poland by now. His tiny hands are all over this crisis in Ukraine."

So either you were responding to my question to Pete about why Putin did not make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS, or you just happened to throw in some unrelated personal opinion about something else which I didn't ask for nor care about.

Former top Trump Russia advisor Fiona Hill did NOT mince words: “There's no Team America for Trump. Not once did I see him do anything to put America first. Not once. Not for a single second."
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Former top Trump Russia advisor Fiona Hill did NOT mince words: “There's no Team America for Trump. Not once did I see him do anything to put America first. Not once. Not for a single second."
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You and Fiona have a lot in common.

You and Fiona have a lot in common.

Thank you
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Thank you
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Yup, you're both rabid anti-Trumpers and would tell any lie to destroy him. She was "central to both spreading the Steele Dossier and ginning up the first Trump impeachment"--one a hoax and the other just usual dirty politics. Richard Grenell said "DC newsrooms protected Fiona Hill and allowed her to tell lies to further her career. She’ll say anything to climb the ladder. I worked closely with her. She is a serial liar."

Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example, you find connections to Eastern European Oligarchs?
And they fail to comply with FARA requirements.
Just like Manafort and Gates, we still don’t know what Manafort was hiding.
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Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example, you find connections to Eastern European Oligarchs?
And they fail to comply with FARA requirements.
Just like Manafort and Gates, we still don’t know what Manafort was hiding.
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why do you "almost exclusively" resort to innuendo?

The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

Yep But Biden Nato and the world is fear mongering

why do you "almost exclusively" resort to innuendo?

No, Manafort and Gates both were paid by Deripaska and Deripaska loaned Manafort 10M.
How did Manafort repay that?
Grenell was paid by Vladimir Plahotniuc, a sanctioned Oligarch.
As Putin said Americans are easy, I can buy all I need and he did.
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No, Manafort and Gates both were paid by Deripaska and Deripaska loaned Manafort 10M.
How did Manafort repay that?
Grenell was paid by Vladimir Plahotniuc, a sanctioned Oligarch.
As Putin said Americans are easy, I can buy all I need and he did.
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What was illegal?

What was illegal?

Both Manafort and Gates were convicted.

What did Manafort not talk about?
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Meanwhile the dictator that Trump admired, is annexing portions of Ukraine.
Funny how the Devin Nunes lead Trump social media app times out perfectly with Putin potentially invading Ukraine. It’s almost like they all share the same info. ;)
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Both Manafort and Gates were convicted.

What did Manafort not talk about?
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What about Grenell? You threw Grenell into the mix after I quoted what he said about Fiona Hill--"Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example". There seemed to be some innuendo there about Grenell, perhaps, not being good as a reference.

Meanwhile the dictator that Trump admired, is annexing portions of Ukraine.
Funny how the Devin Nunes lead Trump social media app times out perfectly with Putin potentially invading Ukraine. It’s almost like they all share the same info. ;)
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More innuendo?

What about Grenell? You threw Grenell into the mix after I quoted what he said about Fiona Hill--"Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example". There seemed to be some innuendo there about Grenell, perhaps, not being good as a reference.

Grenell is tangled up with Rudy, Toensing and that crowd.

“During the situation that was going on with the Firtash case, Victoria [Toensing] called Ric Grenell...

“She basically asked him, if he sees any pressure coming from DOJ to extradite Firtash, if he could let us know. She told me he said he would.”
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More innuendo?

So what info did Trump remove from the White House and bring to the very secure Mar a Lago?
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Grenell is tangled up with Rudy, Toensing and that crowd.

“During the situation that was going on with the Firtash case, Victoria [Toensing] called Ric Grenell...

“She basically asked him, if he sees any pressure coming from DOJ to extradite Firtash, if he could let us know. She told me he said he would.”
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Must be something there . . . eh? Did that "crowd" create or push the spread of the steele "Dossier?

The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

Yep But Biden Nato and the world is fear mongering

See post #24 of this thread.

Must be something there . . . eh? Did that "crowd" create or push the spread of the steele "Dossier?

There was no Russian Collusion except for the Don Jr Trump Tower Meeting, Sessions meeting with the Russian Amb, Manafort sharing polling data with a Russian agent, the troll farms, the Facebook ads paid in rubles, the Clinton emails released through Wikileaks coordinated by Roger Stone.

RUSSIAN Oligarch Oleg DERIPASKA Pays Back MITCH

- Dec 2018: McConnell pushed to lift sanctions on Deripaska, Putin ally

- May 2019: Rusal (Deripaska) invests $200 million in Kentucky aluminum plant, McConnell's state
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There was no Russian Collusion except for the Don Jr Trump Tower Meeting, Sessions meeting with the Russian Amb, Manafort sharing polling data with a Russian agent, the troll farms, the Facebook ads paid in rubles, the Clinton emails released through Wikileaks coordinated by Roger Stone.

RUSSIAN Oligarch Oleg DERIPASKA Pays Back MITCH

- Dec 2018: McConnell pushed to lift sanctions on Deripaska, Putin ally

- May 2019: Rusal (Deripaska) invests $200 million in Kentucky aluminum plant, McConnell's state
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Ah . . . so that "crowd" did not push the spread of the Steele "Dossier."

Ah . . . so that "crowd" did not push the spread of the Steele "Dossier."

Did Steele make the Trumpkins claim they didn’t need banks, they got all the money they need from Russia?
Did Steele get Deripaska to forgive millions in loans to Manafort?
Did Steele meet with the Trumpkins in Trump Tower to get dirt on Hillary, British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”
Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”
In a later email, Goldstone describes the Russian lawyer they are due to meet, Natalia Veselnitskaya, as a “Russian government attorney”.
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No need to watch Putin. Tucker Carlson will translate it all into Republican tonight.
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Did Steele make the Trumpkins claim they didn’t need banks, they got all the money they need from Russia?
Did Steele get Deripaska to forgive millions in loans to Manafort?
Did Steele meet with the Trumpkins in Trump Tower to get dirt on Hillary, British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”
Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”
In a later email, Goldstone describes the Russian lawyer they are due to meet, Natalia Veselnitskaya, as a “Russian government attorney”.
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Steele enabled the FBI to get an illegal FISA warrant that enabled a huge expensive ugly racist, sexist, homophobic hoax which threatened our Democracy and that Putin and Xi no doubt enjoyed.

As Putin invades, his spokesperson issued a statement: “Ukraine is not even a democracy .. Ukraine is a corrupt, Eastern European autocracy that has spent millions of dollars lobbying politicians in Washington and made the Biden family rich.”
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It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention. Putin was getting what he wanted from Trump and expecting even more. For example, last night on Russia's state TV they acknowledged: "Trump gave us a 4-year reprieve."
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It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention. Putin was getting what he wanted from Trump and expecting even more. For example, last night on Russia's state TV they acknowledged: "Trump gave us a 4-year reprieve."
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It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention, Russia did not invade Ukraine while Trump was POTUS.

Russia continues to occupy Ukraine
Trump was Putin's fan and beneficiary. Putin was never our good friend.
Words matter. It's a Putin crisis, not a Ukraine crisis. There are no separatists; they are Russian occupation forces. There is no Russian president; there is a dictator with nukes who wants the world to dance to his tune. Words matter, but they have never stopped a dictator.
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I wonder if wayne is following putin on truth social...I'm sure we'll get updates:uhuh:

Russia continues to occupy Ukraine
Trump was Putin's fan and beneficiary. Putin was never our good friend.
Words matter. It's a Putin crisis, not a Ukraine crisis. There are no separatists; they are Russian occupation forces. There is no Russian president; there is a dictator with nukes who wants the world to dance to his tune. Words matter, but they have never stopped a dictator.
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again, what does it mean that Putin didnt do this during Trump’s 4 years, and he started moving his pieces so early into the Biden administration?


isn’t it fair to say that Putin senses a weakness now, that he didn’t think was there before?
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Robert Gates, Obama’s secretary of defense:

“Biden has been wrong on just about every foreign policy and national security issue, over the last four decades.”

Even before he had dementia, he couldn’t get these things right.
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Stiff sanctions should have been put in place weeks ago, it’s way past the point diplomacy will work, it’s just a matter of time now.

“Biden has been wrong on just about every foreign policy and national security issue, over the last four decades.”


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and still going strong....hey, how about kamala?...yikes......:huh:...maybe send hillary with the reset button again....

Trump withholding support for Ukraine in his lame attempt to get dirt on Biden and his outstanding job at dividing Americans and weakening NATO was a gift to Putin, leaving him this military option as his only way to take back Ukraine before they can join nato.

Trump withholding support for Ukraine in his lame attempt to get dirt on Biden and his outstanding job at dividing Americans and weakening NATO was a gift to Putin, leaving him this military option as his only way to take back Ukraine before they can join nato.

time to stop blaming trump ...brandon is effing everything up now...

time to stop blaming trump ...brandon is effing everything up now...

Trump helped Putin and harmed Ukraine and like everything else he touched left it to the next administration to clean up, but I agree Biden should have pulled the trigger on stiff sanctions as soon as it became apparent what was coming.

Well if this administration doesn’t see these Peacekeepers as an invasion and they do not sanction russia. They should have been imposed after Putin’s press conference!

Even if the EU or other nation choose not to . They are morons and the term weak won’t begin in describing Bidens Actions
I would suggest the term cowardly…. he huffed he puffed and he blew nothing down !
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the term weak won’t begin in describing Bidens Actions
I would suggest the term cowardly…. he huffed he puffed and he blew nothing down !

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he probably forgot....

Trump ........ and his outstanding job at dividing Americans

Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man.

Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man.

And he didn't weaken Ukraine by "withholding" support. Ukraine got the support, and more than Obama gave. No wonder they keep getting it wrong, they keep believing their own lies.

Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man.

That common sense argument, spits in the face of liberalism, which is largely based on the idea that nothing that anyone does, is their own fault. Everything is someone else's fault. That's liberalism.

Tell us about the 8 senators, all GOP, that went to Moscow on July 4, 2018

Be specific, what were they all doing there?
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Remember the great days, when Putin was frightened by Donald Trump. Terrifying for Russia to have a POTUS who stood there like a whipped puppy and denigrated his own intelligence services, kissed Putin's ass, and tried to blackmail Ukraine. Amazing Putin lived through it.

Trump was owned by Russia, protected by Republicans.
Traitor to America
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And he didn't weaken Ukraine by "withholding" support. Ukraine got the support, and more than Obama gave. No wonder they keep getting it wrong, they keep believing their own lies.

Again another captain obvious, I'm well aware Trump eventually released what CONGRESS approved, even though he had no right to hold it up for his little political Rudy driven craziness about getting Ukraine to help dig up dirt, but by holding it up he was given Putin a good laugh that his browmance with Trump might bear fruit.

his browmance with Trump

he admired his eyebrows?

It's February 22nd in Donbas. Putin launched the escalation of his invasion on the eight-year anniversary of the end of EuroMaidan, Ukraine's revolution of Dignity, the popular uprising that ousted his puppet, first brought to power by Paul Manafort.
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Another Trump/Putin tankie
Russia's state TV is proudly showing off Mike Pompeo's recent commentary, where he said about Putin: “Very shrewd. Very capable. I have enormous respect for him."
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Another Trump/Putin tankie
Russia's state TV is proudly showing off Mike Pompeo's recent commentary, where he said about Putin: “Very shrewd. Very capable. I have enormous respect for him."
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and that, not perceived weakness of Biden, surely is what incentivized Putin to invade.

A lot going wrong for Pudding Brain.
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Of all the former secretaries of state under Democratic and Republican presidents, only one is taking to cable news and social media during a moment of peril in Europe to praise Russian President Vladimir Putin and chastise the Biden administration.

Welcome to the new GOP
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Of all the former secretaries of state under Democratic and Republican presidents, only one is taking to cable news and social media during a moment of peril in Europe to praise Russian President Vladimir Putin and chastise the Biden administration.

Welcome to the new GOP
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yup. explains why he gop got creamed in VA and why they’re polling so low in generic ballots before the midterms.
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trump I know [Russian President] Vladimir Putin very well, and he would have never done during the Trump Administration what he is doing now, no way!

Not once does his criticize Putin actions
Only Biden

Another example of his and his administration Putin man crush
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Again another captain obvious, I'm well aware Trump eventually released what CONGRESS approved, even though he had no right to hold it up for his little political Rudy driven craziness about getting Ukraine to help dig up dirt, but by holding it up he was given Putin a good laugh that his browmance with Trump might bear fruit.

Now I understand . . . you didn't mean that Trump weakened Ukraine, but that he gave Putin a good laugh . . . maybe that's why Putin didn't invade Ukraine then, because he was having too good a time laughing. Maybe Biden should have given Putin a good laugh too, so he would 't invade Ukraine.

i’m old enough to remember when obama mocked romney for saying Russia was a serious threat, and ALL the liberals thought Obama was so witty and clever.

Remember? “Hey Mitt, the 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back.”

Ha ha ha, my stomach hurts from laughing.
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i’m old enough to remember when obama mocked romney for saying Russia was a serious threat, and ALL the liberals thought Obama was so witty and clever.

Remember? “Hey Mitt, the 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back.”

Ha ha ha, my stomach hurts from laughing.
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You Trumplicans have gone from supporting Confederate monuments to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire. Its like you have a fetish for losers.
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You Trumplicans have gone from supporting Confederate monuments to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire. Its like you have a fetish for losers.
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i’ve long said statues to insurrectionist slave owners should
come down.

and i’m not pro ussr.

funny accusation coming from a socialist.

but again, you and wdmso seem to be off i. terms of what you claim the gop believes.

gotta go beat my wife and watch Hee Haw reruns.
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You Trumplicans have gone from supporting Confederate monuments

Supporting American history is a loser?

to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire .

Simply not true.

Its like you have a fetish for losers.
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Making America great again is a loser?

Making America great again is a loser?

America has never stopped being Great

Making America great again . Is just a slogan and a conservative ploy to promote grievance politics pushing division between citizens for votes suggesting other America’s are the true enemy .. of the nation
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America has never stopped being Great

Making America great again .

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probably the best political slogan of all time...made leftists so mad they wanted to beat up people for wearing red hats..:bl:

to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire.

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yeah weird, you'd think it would be AOC and Bernie supporting this...

Rick Perry to Newsmax: 'I Don't Trust' Biden or Germany on Nord Stream 2

Another Conservative with Zero criticism for Putin but tons for his POTUS

Another GOP nobody
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brandon was really struggling with words with more than two syllables today....

If I were Putin, I'd be a little worried that Trump thinks my invasion plan is "genius."
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Making America great again is a loser?

Think they freeze Trumps credit line when they shut down Russias banks?
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Kamala Harris:

“it is time for us to be doing what it is that we’ve been doing. And that time is every day.”

Harris makes Joy Behar sound like Margaret Thatcher.

Putin has no chance against her.
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Kamala Harris:

“it is time for us to be doing what it is that we’ve been doing. And that time is every day.”

Harris makes Joy Behar sound like Margaret Thatcher.

Putin has no chance against her.
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and today is that day!....or something

two things are inarguable.....

brandon is well into senility

kamala is the dumbest vice president in the history of vice presidents

America has never stopped being Great
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So MAGA can't lose.

Trump being a true American president lavishes praise on Putin and admires his plan as brilliant, meanwhile his crazy lawyer Rudy is posting Trudeau has killed all the truckers dogs and cats. Can’t wait to see if or where the Trump library will be, Moscow certainly is a good candidate.

Trump being a true American president lavishes praise on Putin and admires his plan as brilliant, meanwhile his crazy lawyer Rudy is posting Trudeau has killed all the truckers dogs and cats. Can’t wait to see if or where the Trump library will be, Moscow certainly is a good candidate.

Interesting and telling that you guys ( as well as CNN and MSNBC) spend ten times more energy focusing on what the previous administration is saying about Russia/Ukraine, than what the current administration is doing about Russia/Ukraine.

I have no problem holding Trump accountable for his stupid mouth. But if anyone read your posts, they'd think Trump was still POTUS. You never talk about Biden and whether or not he's doing well with this.

Is Biden doing a good job with this? I don't even know, I have no idea what he should have done. I do know that Putin had a reason for waiting for Biden before rattling his saber.

Trump being a true American president lavishes praise on Putin and admires his plan as brilliant



Daily Mail-22 February 2022

Trump says the Ukraine situation would NEVER have happened under him because he knows Putin 'very well':

Republicans say Biden's 'weakness' has 'emboldened' Russia and BOTH parties urge tough sanctions

'If properly handled, there was absolutely no reason that the situation currently happening in Ukraine should have happened at all,' Trump said

'The weak sanctions are insignificant relative to taking over a country and a massive piece of strategically located land,' Trump added

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday sent troops into the pro-Russian regions of Luhansk and Donetsk as he declared those regions independent
Biden imposed some new sanctions on Monday prohibiting trade with the Kremlin-backed regions

The president is expected to announced more sanctions Tuesday
Republicans and Democrats urged Biden to use every sanction in his arsenal before Putin fully invades

Putin’s not threatened by NATO, he has stated clearly in the past few weeks that he wants not just to snuff out Ukraine as an independent state, but to reverse the entire democratic order that unfolded after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the former Soviet Union.
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Putin’s not threatened by NATO, he has stated clearly in the past few weeks that he wants not just to snuff out Ukraine as an independent state, but to reverse the entire democratic order that unfolded after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the former Soviet Union.
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he's definitely not threatened by brandon...seems like everyone is in agreement on that :rotf2:

he's definitely not threatened by brandon...seems like everyone is in agreement on that :rotf2:

Personally, I want to hear more about what Rick Perry has to say. No one cares what Putin is doing, or how Biden is reacting, or the effect on oil.

The entire world needs to know what Rick Perry has to say. That's what matters to all of us.

Rick Perry to Newsmax: 'I Don't Trust' Biden or Germany on Nord Stream 2

Another Conservative with Zero criticism for Putin but tons for his POTUS

Another GOP nobody
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Who?

How about Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle, can you do some research and tell us what they have to say? We're dying to know. That's what matters.

The entire world needs to know what Rick Perry has to say. That's what matters to all of us.



isn't he a singer from the 80's or something?

isn't he a singer from the 80's or something?

If you read all their posts, youd have no idea Biden was president.

Just find a bunch of GOP has-beens who say something stupid, and that's "the voice of the GOP".

Because nowhere, are there any liberals who say anything stupid.

if you don't follow her...she's hilarious


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2z8VQsHcQY

If you read all their posts, youd have no idea Biden was president.

Just find a bunch of GOP has-beens who say something stupid, and that's "the voice of the GOP".

Because nowhere, are there any liberals who say anything stupid.

As usual Jim you willingly missing the point . Of those People I posted and their comments..

You claim they are Stupid comments
And insist the don’t represent the GOP or their base

And you do it With out commenting on what’s so Stupid?

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris Slams Tucker Carlson for Sellout to Russia

Tucker Carlson, amazingly, on Fox News, said that he would choose Russia over Ukraine – Let me guess you don’t know either of them
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As usual Jim you willingly missing the point . Of those People I posted and their comments..

You claim they are Stupid comments
And insist the don’t represent the GOP or their base

And you do it With out commenting on what’s so Stupid?

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris Slams Tucker Carlson for Sellout to Russia

Tucker Carlson, amazingly, on Fox News, said that he would choose Russia over Ukraine – Let me guess you don’t know either of them
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you post headlines that we know are almost always out of context...and then claim they represent an entire population

you should read the whole article wayne....


"Morris lamenting the Biden administration allowing Putin to unwind the former President Ronald Reagan's success in the Cold War that ultimately saw the communist Soviet Union splinter.

"The work of President Ronald Reagan is totally trampled under those tank treads," Morris continued. "The freeing of 50 million people in Ukraine is being undone, another 150 million behind it. After this, he is going to go in the Baltic countries, he is going to go into Poland, going to go into Hungary, into the Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, all of them."

Russia is returning to its "expansionist" roots, according to Morris.

"Russia has always been expansionist," Morris continued. "Before it was communist and now it is both really expansionist and post-communist.

"And there are those who are minimizing this, saying, 'this is an incursion, not an invasion,' even using the phrase 'breakaway.' This isn't a breakaway. This is a takeaway."

Biden is being weak against Putin's aggression, Morris concluded.

"He's a chicken, because he's scared of his own shadow, and Biden does not know how to use power," Morris said. "And the problem is that he has a number of enablers in the United States, people who were his apologists saying, 'oh, no, it's not really invasions, just incursions."

As usual Jim you willingly missing the point . Of those People I posted and their comments..

You claim they are Stupid comments
And insist the don’t represent the GOP or their base

And you do it With out commenting on what’s so Stupid?

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris Slams Tucker Carlson for Sellout to Russia

Tucker Carlson, amazingly, on Fox News, said that he would choose Russia over Ukraine – Let me guess you don’t know either of them
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"Tucker Carlson, amazingly, on Fox News, said that he would choose Russia over Ukraine"

Show me the quote, please.

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris was a Bill Clinton strategist. Then Foxnews paid him good money to bash democrats, so he did that. Then Fox fired him, so now hes mad at them.

#^&#^&#^&#^& Morris will say anything that anyone is willing to pay him to say. He's what you might call "available". That doesn't mean Tucker didn't say what he claims. But I'd like to see the quote. If you don't mind.


Can I see the entire quote #^&#^&#^&#^& Morris was referring to?

"missing the point

I see the point very clearly. The point is, this is another loser of an issue for Biden. Rather than discuss what the currently president is doing, you'd rather share quotes of has-beens saying dumb things. You're all desperately trying to shift attention away from Biden, and focus on GOP has beens.

Tucker Carlson isn't a has-been. But please share that quote. Sorry, I'm not taking #^&#^&#^&#^& Morris' word for it.

I've seen Tucker say America has a lot to lose in this conflict, and that Ukraine isn't so vital to us to be worth hurting American interests. I haven't seen Tucker say he "would choose Russia over Ukraine".

Here's what Carlson said...

"Why do I care … what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?”

Carlson said he was kidding, but I think it's an idiotic thing to say. WDMSO, I don't think many republicans at all, agree with that.

In the same show, Carlson followed with this...

"Before we go, earlier … I noted, I was rooting for Russia in the contest between Russia and Ukraine. Of course I’m joking, I’m only rooting for America.”

Morris left that part out. So did you.

WDMSO, you commented on Morris' criticism of Tucker Carlson. You ignored Morris' scathing criticism of Biden. Which is more significant? A TV host who speaks to 1% of the US population, or the sitting president?

Are you suggesting that military strikes should come?
The goal, though I think it’s improbable, is to avoid war if possible.

If Putin expected a West in disarray, it didn't happen. NATO has remained unified & strong & is getting stronger. The EU has been effective. Major EU states are pulling their weight. & the U.S. is not only leading but doing so deftly, showing great respect & deference to allies.

Biden is moving Troops and aircraft in Europe and much more is happening behind the scenes.

I suppose he could be tweeting like TFG.
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Biden is moving Troops and aircraft in Europe and much more is happening behind the scenes.


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How do you know?

Are you suggesting that military strikes should come?
The goal, though I think it’s improbable, is to avoid war if possible.

If Putin expected a West in disarray, it didn't happen. NATO has remained unified & strong & is getting stronger. The EU has been effective. Major EU states are pulling their weight. & the U.S. is not only leading but doing so deftly, showing great respect & deference to allies.

Biden is moving Troops and aircraft in Europe and much more is happening behind the scenes.

I suppose he could be tweeting like TFG.
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"Are you suggesting that military strikes should come?"

No. I don't know what the best thing is for us to do. In my opinion, Ukraine isn't worth sending American kids to die. Reasonable people can disagree on that one I guess, but I wouldn't send one single American kid to die there.

Why did Putin choose not to do this from 2017-2020, but he's doing it now?

It's one more thing that makes Biden look very weak, that Putin obviously thought now was the time to flex his muscles.

Very reminiscent, I'd imagine, of Jimmy Carters presidency. Ridiculous inflation and gas prices, global adversaries feeling very emboldened.

And naturally Harris went over there and humiliated herself.

Just watch. Trump will exit from the shadows around election time and broker a deal to end the conflict… trump will come out looking like a hero and Putin will get his puppet back, get his pipeline approved and it will be back to angry tweets and actions that divide this county above all else.

Just a hunch of course.
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Just watch. Trump will exit from the shadows around election time and broker a deal to end the conflict… trump will come out looking like a hero and Putin will get his puppet back, get his pipeline approved and it will be back to angry tweets and actions that divide this county above all else.

Just a hunch of course.
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can we revisit your previous prediction :biglaugh:

Are you suggesting that military strikes should come?

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I didn't get this notion from anything he's written....

These people were poisoned by the Kremlin/Putin.
There are many more we don't know about.

Anna Politkovskaya
Alexey Navalny
Nikolai Khokhlov
Georgi Markov
Viktor Yushchenko
Alexander Litvinenko
Sergey Skripal
Mikhail Khodorkovsky
Petr Verzilov

Of course you and Tucker are fine with Putin’s goal of bringing back the Soviet Union created by Stalin, the descendents of the four million Ukrainians Stalin killed don’t want that.
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Of course you and Tucker are fine with Putin’s goal of bringing back the Soviet Union created by Stalin, the descendents of the four million Ukrainians Stalin killed don’t want that.

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get help pete...you are in serious need

get help pete...you are in serious need

You pay no attention and then just fulfill your role of useful idiot, much like Tucker
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You pay no attention and then just fulfill your role of useful idiot, much like Tucker
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yes, that's it :spin:

angry tweets and actions that divide this county above all else.


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Trumps tweets are unacceptable because they are divisive.

Obama said that republicans "just hate all the time".
Biden said republicans want to put blacks back in chains (my favorite)
Hilary says republicans are deplorable and irredeemable.

I agree with you that Trumps tweets are obnoxious. But why are they less acceptable than the other comments I posted? Those aren't incredibly divisive?

Or is it that it's OK to be divisive when you're demonizing republicans, but immoral to do the same thing to democrats?

How about just having a fair, consistent set of standards we judge presidents on, and use the same standards whether the president is a republican or democrat?

Either saying these things is tolerable or not. But let's not keep changing the standards every time the party of the sitting president changes.

I agree with you that Trumps tweets were obnoxious.

fixed it :jester:

Trumps tweets are unacceptable because they are divisive.

Obama said that republicans "just hate all the time".
Biden said republicans want to put blacks back in chains (my favorite)
Hilary says republicans are deplorable and irredeemableShe prob. underestimated given the % that still don't accept the results of the election. .

I agree with you that Trumps tweets are obnoxious. But why are they less acceptable than the other comments I posted? Those aren't incredibly divisive?

Or is it that it's OK to be divisive when you're demonizing republicans, but immoral to do the same thing to democrats?

How about just having a fair, consistent set of standards we judge presidents on, and use the same standards whether the president is a republican or democrat?

Either saying these things is tolerable or not. But let's not keep changing the standards every time the party of the sitting president changes.

You use the same 3 comments over and over and over even though for some they apologized.

You use the same 3 comments over and over and over even though for some they apologized.

I'm not impressed by apologies made long after the fact, when the person concluded they had to apologize for damage control.

Paul, it must be very easy for you to conclude that republicans are the divisive ones, when you dismiss all divisive statements made by democrats. Very convenient for you, indeed.

I pick those, because they're unbelievable to me that anyone could say them. And you have zero criticism for the folks who said them (saying only that Hilary was too generous), the only character flaw is mine for bringing them up. But there's no reason not to endlessly bring up Trumps moral flaws. It's totally fine to endlessly obsess when Trump is a jerk. But there's a strict statute of limitations on holding democrats accountable. That's what you're saying.

Hilary said that in a prepared, planned speech. When it was obvious she was taking a beating in the polls for saying it, then she issued a self-serving apology.

If Trump apologized, you'd be as forgiving?

"She prob. underestimated given the % that still don't accept the results of the election. ."

It is pathetic, I agree. How many democrats think conservatives oppose abortion not because they consider the baby to be a person, but because they simply want to control and enslave women? Equally stupid.

Abortion opponents, some of whom are conservative, think that other people are required to conform to their beliefs.
Some of them also believe that birth control is an abortifacient - by preventing the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall, that's an abortion.
The Catholic Church has had various edicts from various Popes regarding abortion so apparently there’s either not really any substance to papal infallibility or Martin Luther was correct.
Do Catholics still believe that freedom from God's punishment for sin can be purchased with money, perhaps if they got $50 per abortion they’d mind their own business
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Abortion opponents, some of whom are conservative, think that other people are required to conform to their beliefs.
Some of them also believe that birth control is an abortifacient - by preventing the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall, that's an abortion.
The Catholic Church has had various edicts from various Popes regarding abortion so apparently there’s either not really any substance to papal infallibility or Martin Luther was correct.
Do Catholics still believe that freedom from God's punishment for sin can be purchased with money, perhaps if they got $50 per abortion they’d mind their own business
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I'm going to try and talk to you like an adult here, let's see how it goes...

"Abortion opponents, some of whom are conservative, think that other people are required to conform to their beliefs."

Wrong.

Every single criminal law on the books, is an attempt by society (not just anti abortion people) to get others to comply with rules of conduct. Abortion is not unique in this regard, in any way. Liberals just frame it this way, because that's a lot easier for them, than honestly debating what my side is saying.

Pete, are you OK with laws which saw that women can not hurt someone else?

I assume you are. And on that point, you and I agree.

The only topic on which we disagree (therefore, the only issue that actually matters here) is whether or not the unborn baby represents "someone else".

There are all kinds of laws that limit what women can do with their bodies. They can't inject heroin, female teachers cannot be involved with male students, etc...Yet you are OK with those laws. You are OK with all kinds of laws which limit the choices women can make.

Because you agree that women can make whatever choices they want, as long as they don't harm someone else.

So the debate has absolutely nothing to do with women's rights, or choice, or any of that other nonsense...it has everything to do with whether or not the baby is "someone else".

That's literally all that matters.

I'm not impressed by apologies made long after the fact, when the person concluded they had to apologize for damage control.

Paul, it must be very easy for you to conclude that republicans are the divisive ones, when you dismiss all divisive statements made by democrats. Very convenient for you, indeed.Every day I see divisive comments from both parties but FAR MORE from the Rs who have given themselves over to Trump and his classlessness.

I pick those, because they're unbelievable to me that anyone could say them. And you have zero criticism for the folks who said them (saying only that Hilary was too generous), the only character flaw is mine for bringing them up. But there's no reason not to endlessly bring up Trumps moral flaws. It's totally fine to endlessly obsess when Trump is a jerk. But there's a strict statute of limitations on holding democrats accountable. That's what you're saying.

Hilary said that in a prepared, planned speech. When it was obvious she was taking a beating in the polls for saying it, then she issued a self-serving apology. It was the very next day and if you look who was crying for an apology it was people like Trump and K. Conway.

If Trump apologized, you'd be as forgiving?Yes, I would. if it was sincere.

"She prob. underestimated given the % that still don't accept the results of the election. ."

It is pathetic, I agree. How many democrats think conservatives oppose abortion not because they consider the baby to be a person, but because they simply want to control and enslave women? Equally stupid.1st time I've heard that.
NNM

Abortion opponents, some of whom are conservative, think that other people are required to conform to their beliefs.


This is consistently one of your main go-to tactics--when convenient, squeeze everyone under the same umbrella, e.g. Trump says something negative about Mexican gang members or Mexico's worst, and you say he insults all Mexicans; or those who oppose illegal immigration or say disparaging things about a country like Haiti, and you say the are attacking or discriminating against people of color.

Here you say that if you oppose abortion, you are requiring other people to conform to your beliefs, regardless of all the other beliefs you have that you don't "require" others to conform to.

In essence, Democracy requires the minority to conform to the beliefs of the majority. You seem to be a big believer in democracy. Which implies to me that you're OK with people requiring others to conform to your beliefs