Pig flu

[spence]

This story is starting to really take off. Hopefully it's nothing, but now they're talking possible pandemic.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...090424?sp=true


And to think of all those poor ducks they killed in Asia.

-spence

[Nebe]

its alredy causing chaos in the United States..

[Raven]

Mexico city has the highest population of any mexican city...

it has the potential of spilling over into the USA quite easily and is NO Joke.

[JohnnyD]

I'm not worried. The only curious part is how people in Texas and CA contracted the same strain. I'm sure it will make things pretty easy to track though. Pigs don't move around as easily as birds.

The US public has been programed to only be afraid of bird flu. Many people probably don't even know what swine means.

[Swimmer]

My wife works in a lab and started talking about this as soon as she walked in the door yesterday. She says it is extremely contagious.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I'm not worried. The only curious part is how people in Texas and CA contracted the same strain. I'm sure it will make things pretty easy to track though. Pigs don't move around as easily as birds.

They believe that this strain is transferring from person to person, not pig to person, thats what has them scared. And good luck trying to track the boarder jumpers that are carrying this.

[BMEUPSCOTTY]

Samples from nine students in NY sent to CDC for testing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSN25468227

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

They believe that this strain is transferring from person to person, not pig to person, thats what has them scared. And good luck trying to track the boarder jumpers that are carrying this.

When people start dying at an alarming rate, then I'll begin to worry.

This sounds exactly the same as the reports about bird flu.


With regards to the boarder jumpers, this would be a good excuse to shoot jumpers on site. We can use the excuse of "National Security and Public Safety." After the last administration, that seems to be a pretty easy excuse to use.

[Raven]

pigs may not fly

but people with swine flue can
fly on airplanes every day
it would appear as if they had a cold

~
on a different note

the Japanese just proved........
that foreign extraterrestrial bacteria
can be found in our upper atmosphere
that has never lived on planet Earth before

this explains a bacteria or flu like pandemic
that killed off most of the Eskimos
and many other cultures many years ago
all at the same exact time globally which indicates
a global spreading via some sort of comet.

[justplugit]

The World Health Organization is forming a panel to deal with it currently.

From what i heard it's like a level 3 problem with level 4 being a
pandemic.

There was also some talk that it is possibly a mutant strain of swine and bird flu.

It is spread person to person and hits all ages of people.

[Saltheart]

The way I understand it is the virus mutations take place in the ducks. A virolent strain then catches on and spreads amongst the birds. This flu cannot be spread from the birds to people. On small farms where ducks and pigs are raised in close proximity the flu is contracted by the pigs from the birds.It spreads amongst the pigs and people can get it from the pigs. Once it jumps to the people it spreads from people to people rapidly. IMO airplanes are are like incubators. Everyone on the plane could get exposed from a single passenger on board who has it. Often the virus spreads most rapidly when its first cotracted and before the more visible symptoms are abovious like fever , sinus inflamation , body aches. So anyway , i think the idea that we can stop it from spreading to the US is not too sound.

The interesting thing is that in a poor country like Mexico, where many do not have access to good medical care, many people die from it. So far in the USA there have been no fatalities (as of the last news reort I heard) and that is mostly because peole get faster and better care here.

Anyway , its something to be conscious of but I wouldn't let it rule my life. If you get sck with the typical chills and bady aches that usually mean more than a simple cold , go to the doctor. At least keep an eye out for secondary bacterial infections that result from the virus. very typically the nasal and respiratory infections do happen and they are what i think bring peole down , especially pneumonia.

[Pete_G]

I dunno. News this morning doesn't look good. Increasingly it looks like the only question is how severe it is and how often it kills. Luckily it seems mild in a lot of cases but then at the other end there's more then a few dead in Mexico. If it's only as deadly as a normal flu (which does kill quite a few people) the public won't be quite so excited. Since panic is already starting to occur it might be relevant info.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Cool beans...
border jumpers carried it from Mexico to NYC?

Please, you can do better than that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Cool beans...
border jumpers carried it from Mexico to NYC?

Please, you can do better than that.

I think his comment was more to say that the illegals can't be "tracked" where as perhaps a Mexican business person could be.

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

I think his comment was more to say that the illegals can't be "tracked" where as perhaps a Mexican business person could be.

-spence

OK.
that logic I can understand..

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Cool beans...
border jumpers carried it from Mexico to NYC?

Please, you can do better than that.

Why not?

The Northeast has a massive population of illegals from Central America,including Mexicans.

But I agree with Spence.Cool beans was more than likely making the point of how do you track someone crossing the border illegally?The only way is through being caught and since there are literally tens of thousands of illegals already in country,not many are being caught at the border and when they are finally caught its already to late.

[justplugit]

"The WHO met Saturday to consider declaring an international public emergency,
which could lead to travel advisorys, trade restrictions and border closures."

[IF]----
this turns out to be a pandemic, i wonder if, when the open border idealology people's families contract the disease,
they will suddenly start yelling like stuck pigs to close the borders and adhere to the laws that were intended to help prevent things like this??????

Nothing changes ideas quicker then when things happen close to home.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

this turns out to be a pandemic, i wonder if, when the open border idealology people's families contract the disease,
they will suddenly start yelling like stuck pigs to close the borders and adhere to the laws that were intended to help prevent things like this??????

I don't think so. The number of people who legally cross the border into the US every day from Mexico is quite large. I'd wager there's a far larger risk from legal travel which will be by air and vehicle and has the potential to get deeper into the US much more quickly. If they close the border it would be this traffic they're trying to stop.

That's not to say that we can't do a better job at illegal immigration enforcement, just that I don't think the Pandemic will cause a huge outcry.

-spence

[Cool Beans]

Of course border jumpers didn't carry it to NY, the initial speed of something like this is of course spread by legitimate travelers. Point was legitimate travelers are easy to track, unlike the illegals, and are probably a lot more apt to get treated, while illegals may be more apt to not seek medical assistance (emergency room will treat anyone), until much further into it and after spreading it to a lot more people. I was trying to point out that illegals add a big multiplier to the issues.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Spring Breakers....the NYC people were all college kids.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Spring Breakers....the NYC people were all college kids.

Eh, I don't think so. Spring break was back in March. The virus should have had more than enough time to completely incubate and show its presence a few weeks ago.

I think we are actually fortunate the virus is popping up now. If this had started appearing a month or two ago while we were in the midst of flu season, all our domestic medical resources and facilities would be stretched to the max by anyone with a sniffle.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Eh, I don't think so. Spring break was back in March. The virus should have had more than enough time to completely incubate and show its presence a few weeks ago.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/...luZWZsdWZlYXI-

NEW YORK – Esti Lamonaca's illness started with a high fever, a cough and achy bones, just a couple of days after she returned from a spring break trip on the beach in Cancun with friends. By the weekend, her voice was hoarse and she was wearing a surgical mask.

The 18-year-old senior is one of at least eight students at her New York City high school who health officials say have been sickened by a strain of swine flu suspected in the deaths of 103 people in Mexico. It has now spread to the United States, where authorities have confirmed 20 cases.

I do stand corrected though....they were Prep Kids not College Kids

[likwid]

Put down the crack pipes and stop falling for media sensationalism.

Q. Can swine flu be fatal?

A. Just like the regular flu, swine flu worsens pre-existing medical conditions in people. So people with already compromised immune systems can die after contracting it.

Q. But doesn't the common flu kill more people?

A. Yes, common seasonal flu kills 250,000 to 500,000 people every year. But what worries officials is that a new strain of the flu virus can spread fast because people do not have natural immunity and vaccines can take months to develop.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/27...ef=mpstoryview

[JohnnyD]

Big Brother Google with a quickly updated map of known/suspected cases.

http://gizmodo.com/5229314/follow-th...th-google-maps


I remember reading over the winter that Google was working with the Dept. Public Health on this map software to track outbreaks and help the government create a plan of action for containment.

We'll see if it's needed.

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Spring Breakers....the NYC people were all college kids.

yup

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

yup

nope (prep school kids)

[BMEUPSCOTTY]

Weird they were in Cancun yet the map doesn't show any cases near there. I was checking the map because my kids stopped in Cozumel on a cruise last week...

[Raven]

of course he just got back from Mexico

mosquitos bite pigs then bite birds .....

it has doubled...

it's a mutated strain that is the real thing to be concerned about.

Seems to me travel to Mexico should be followed by a checkup

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by Raven

Seems to me travel to Mexico should be followed by a checkup

That's common sense. Every guy in the Navy is told to get checked up after each "port visit" to mexico.... prolly not checkin for swine flu though......