Pogie Seiner Boat in Wallaston today!!!! - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Fisherwoman · 08-17-2009, 05:25 PM

There was a pogie seiner boat in wally today setting the net, I thought they were not allowed inshore? Anybody know for sure if they are allowed inshore. Bait was from Manchester, they probably wiped all the pogies out up in salem and are down here now trying to do the same.

wrench · 08-17-2009, 05:49 PM

Their are certain land marks on Squantum that they cannot go past.

I think it's a radio tower if I remember right and it's out from the start of the mooring field.

How close where they to the mooring field?

A call to the Environmental Police will give you this information and I am sure they would love to pay them a visit !!

There are numerous places in the harbor they are restricted from.

Mike

Fisherwoman · 08-17-2009, 06:09 PM

Hey Mike, they were not in the moorings but not too far off of them thats for sure. Sure busts your balls when you are strugglin to net enough baits to fish for a day when you see them come in and do a set. not likin it I can tell ya

Scuttlebutt · 08-17-2009, 07:18 PM

Bastages! It's bad enough there's so few this year. Now the're scooping up what little we have. Just not right! I hope they catch squat and move on.

Scuttlebutt · 08-17-2009, 07:51 PM

From 322 CMR:

http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/comme...mr4.htm#cmr402

12. Boston Harbor -- All waters inside lines drawn from the tower on Telegraph Hill in the town of Hull to the southernmost point of Lovell Island thence from the northernmost point of Lovell Island to the southeasternmost tip of Deer Island.

nightfighter · 08-17-2009, 08:33 PM

The white boat, or the red one? They did a number on us here, but schools showing up again. Better luck netting them at night. (Just got in from loading the pen for tomorrow.) They were boarded and checked out by the EPOs up here and still continued to set in the Salem channel for weeks after being checked, but never saw them again beyond the mooring fields up inside the Lead Mills.... good luck.

For what it's worth, a number of recs went up to them and got pogies, and they wouldn't take money, I'm told.

surfbear · 08-17-2009, 08:39 PM

Probably up there for the Omega Protein Company. These guys killed the Sound and the Chesapeke.

TheSpecialist · 08-17-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuttlebutt

From 322 CMR:

http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/comme...mr4.htm#cmr402

12. Boston Harbor -- All waters inside lines drawn from the tower on Telegraph Hill in the town of Hull to the southernmost point of Lovell Island thence from the northernmost point of Lovell Island to the southeasternmost tip of Deer Island.

Looks like they are not supposed to be in there.

blue oyster · 08-18-2009, 03:59 PM

i would think it would not be worth their efforts i did not think there were that many pogies there , i know i have had no luck getting bait there . they won,t be happy till there no fish left

luds · 08-18-2009, 11:38 PM

Nice. The less pogies the better. Hopefully blues will scatter what is left of them.

Clogston29 · 08-19-2009, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blue oyster

i would think it would not be worth their efforts i did not think there were that many pogies there , i know i have had no luck getting bait there . they won,t be happy till there no fish left

it must not take much for it to be worth it to them. i was up in maine a few weeks ago and there was a small school (maybe 25' diameter) off the beach one day. then next morning there was a boat out there netting them.

nightfighter · 08-19-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by luds

Nice. The less pogies the better. Hopefully blues will scatter what is left of them.

How you figure that Mike? The way I see it, if pogies are in your harbor/area, you have a much better chance that larger fish are also around looking for them as a meal....

JFigliuolo · 08-19-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter

How you figure that Mike? The way I see it, if pogies are in your harbor/area, you have a much better chance that larger fish are also around looking for them as a meal....

My experience from the surf w/pogies around... If your not snagging and dropping your getting skunked and there not always thick enough to do that.

luds · 08-19-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter

How you figure that Mike? The way I see it, if pogies are in your harbor/area, you have a much better chance that larger fish are also around looking for them as a meal....

I'm sure at times that's true but it rarely seems to work out that way for me. My best nights always seem to coincide with reports like this as well as reports of good numbers of bluefish. When boats are killing them on with the pogie bite I feel like I'm always eating humble pie.

Fisherwoman · 08-19-2009, 04:56 PM

Boat was white, name on the side was Intuition, registered out of Manchester ma, got pictures of them yesterday where they were in close to the mooring and shoreline and they will be sent to the DMF, so we will see what happens They were not in there today but I know the last 2 days they got alot of bait in there. They need to go play somewhere else!!!!!

wrench · 08-19-2009, 05:54 PM

Jules<

I looked at the chart and their is a sphere on squantum that they can not go past.
So if they were near the mooring field they where is too far!!!

nightfighter · 08-19-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fisherwoman

Boat was white, name on the side was Intuition, registered out of Manchester ma,

Yup, I know them all too well.....

BaddJack · 08-19-2009, 09:55 PM

The environmental patrol was patrolling Wollaston 8-19-09 at 8:30AM.

Poagies were jumping Saturday evening, haven't seen one since.
I typically drive along the beach AM and PM, looking for signs of life.

The damage has been done, the bastage(s) have tucked it to the recreational fishermen once again.

It is tough enough to find a gamefish in the inner harbor, strip the bait away and you've got a desert, not to mention starving gamefish.

The commercial chicken feed (protein) fishing for poagies has to be stopped along the entire East Coast.

The gamefish need to eat, no bluefish for two consecutive years says it all.

Help our guardians to do their job, call 800-632-8075 to report questionable activities by anyone.

Believe me, the Environmental Police are on our side.

Always play by the rules, they are there for everyone's benefit.

beamie · 08-20-2009, 06:51 AM

If this boat was seining where it should not have been it is unfortunate the envirnmental police couldn't have put a stop to it that morning, within a few hours. I am sure somewhere in the harbor one of there boats was cruising or tied up. Better yet I am surprised they don't track these boats a little closer knowing the controversy they create. Maybe they would have known thry were heading 15mi south. Too bad...........

niko · 08-20-2009, 07:07 AM

sounds like the boat is searching. bj you should have fished the harbor w/ me last year - all the big blues you could want in the harbor and pogs were pretty thick in the usual spots

BaddJack · 08-21-2009, 10:40 AM

My original post should have stated that the bluefish have been late the past two years, compared to the preceding years.

The last six weeks of last season, beginning at the end of August, had poagies schooling everywhere, very easy pickings.

Large blues were easy to be had, my favorite retrieve was a poagie which had a large circular bite out of its midsection, shocked dead, with bulging eyes.

The two stripers pictured were caught behind a poagie school between Spectacle and LI last year, upcurrent was all large blues.

Stop by if you see me by Rainsford or in Quincy Bay, I've got an 18' blue skiff with white bumpers and a trap hauler, and normally a cooler of red shelled bartering tools for live poagies.

TheSpecialist · 08-21-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BaddJack

My original post should have stated that the bluefish have been late the past two years, compared to the preceding years.

The last six weeks of last season, beginning at the end of August, had poagies schooling everywhere, very easy pickings.

Large blues were easy to be had, my favorite retrieve was a poagie which had a large circular bite out of its midsection, shocked dead, with bulging eyes.

The two stripers pictured were caught behind a poagie school between Spectacle and LI last year, upcurrent was all large blues.

Stop by if you see me by Rainsford or in Quincy Bay, I've got an 18' blue skiff with white bumpers and a trap hauler, and normally a cooler of red shelled bartering tools for live poagies.

I believe I saw you sunday around noon or so Wessie ramp you were heading out, and I was the next boat to get to the out side of the ramp. I backed off so you could motor out in front of me.

BaddJack · 08-21-2009, 04:00 PM

After I cook breakfast and do the dishes for the octogenerians, 87 and 86 respectively, I normally get launched after noon.

Saturday launch times depend on what happened Friday night, and the weather.

Last Saturday I launched late, planning to fish til dawn. I got a call to pick up fishermen at Wollaston an hour before sunset, amid crashing poagies, bunot was unable to snag any.

I gave up at 10:00 PM when the wind wouldn't let up, and with no moon and few shore lights to accent the water surface, navigation by the GPS was slow, the spooky black water told me it was time to call it quits.

I'll be out Saturday AM, Sunday PM (wind under 15) and probably Wednesday late afternoon.

mackenzie · 08-30-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fisherwoman

There was a pogie seiner boat in wally today setting the net, I thought they were not allowed inshore? Anybody know for sure if they are allowed inshore. Bait was from Manchester, they probably wiped all the pogies out up in salem and are down here now trying to do the same.

About 7AM I was plugging Wollaston and
a lobster stye boat made its way through the moorings. At first I thought it might be a charter looking for tuna bait. Came within 2-300 yards of the beach and made a set. Seemed to know right where he wanted to drop the net. Must have got some because I saw buckets passed between them and a couple of center consoles. Someone must have reported him because during the second set an official looking boat pulled up beside and shortly afterward he was steaming toward Long Island. Hope it was more than a warning given. The "I didn't know" defense shouldn't fly.

JohnnyD · 08-30-2009, 10:13 AM

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Hope it was more than a warning given. The "I didn't know" defense shouldn't fly.

Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Those guys seem to know exactly what the laws are and how much they can skirt them.

striperman36 · 08-30-2009, 10:31 AM

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Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Those guys seem to know exactly what the laws are and how much they can skirt them.

They aren't stoopid, they just take advantage of the laxity of enforcement

ridler72 · 08-30-2009, 08:05 PM

Last Saturday morning there was a Seiner that showed up inside Winthrop Harbor and did a set in the Mooring Field. From what I heard he did damage to his net after getting caught in abandoned moorings and traps.

EP's did show up before he steamed out. Not sure what was giving out for a fine if any. I have not see him since.

I agree with Luds. I wish poagies would disappear. It was so much better when bass were scrounging in the rocks, all day and all night.

Swimmer · 09-01-2009, 10:30 AM

Did this boat end up being where it wasn't? If so, did the offical looking craft that pulled along side do anything about bringing the culprit to court?

mackenzie · 09-01-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

Did this boat end up being where it wasn't? If so, did the offical looking craft that pulled along side do anything about bringing the culprit to court?

The boat was between the inside moorings and the beach. By the time the "official" boat showed up they were a good distance from me but still inside-have no clue what transpired. It looked like a rigid inflatable with pilot house and twin O.B.s. I thought it may have been the E.V. police.

Van · 09-02-2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

Did this boat end up being where it wasn't? If so, did the offical looking craft that pulled along side do anything about bringing the culprit to court?

I would bet that the fine is MUCH cheaper than the money they will make in one set. So they pay the fine and just keep doing it.

There was one on a mooring sitting in Wollaston bay the other morning. Maybe they were sleeping on board.