Spot Burning to the Nth degree!

[parker23]

Wow, I am fired up. It really ticks me off when in confidence you share a spot with a “friend”. A spot that I have been learning and studying for the past 7 years. During that time, I can count one hand the number of boats fishing in that area. Then last spring I called my “friend” to tell him I was on fish. Within a half hour several boats including a charter boat were fishing the spot. Boats that until that day never even looked at the spot ruined the entire spring.

Yesterday, I get several emails from my TRUE FRIENDS containing web address for a FishingTheOcean State TV show highlighting the “HONEY HOLE”.

I learned my lesson the hard way. Do not share your spots with your so-called friends.

Hopefully, this message saves one of you from making this mistake. Take your cherished spots to your grave.

I pray dear fish god that my "friend" will have an empty fish box for many seasons to come.

[MrHunters]

just know who your friends are i guess

i like sharing info but only with people i know, know the drill.

that sucks man.

[Canalman]

Been there before, well not to the TV show degree. I found a great spring spot, I let a few guys in on it and now it's ballooned out of control. And the funny thing is, they all call it "their" spot now, and some talk about how they've been fishing there for years and bla bla. I still sometimes think... man if I had only kept my F--ing mouth shut!

Live and learn....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Been there before, well not to the TV show degree. I found a great spring spot, I let a few guys in on it and now it's ballooned out of control. And the funny thing is, they all call it "their" spot now, and some talk about how they've been fishing there for years and bla bla. I still sometimes think... man if I had only kept my F--ing mouth shut!

Live and learn....

That's my spot now. Why did you ruin in?

-spence

[ThrowingTimber]

Bummer.

[Pt.JudeJoe]

Soooooo...where is this place anyways?

[Rockfish9]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Been there before, well not to the TV show degree. I found a great spring spot, I let a few guys in on it and now it's ballooned out of control. And the funny thing is, they all call it "their" spot now, and some talk about how they've been fishing there for years and bla bla. I still sometimes think... man if I had only kept my F--ing mouth shut!

Live and learn....

Been there done that!

[numbskull]

Finding fish is the most satisfying part of fishing, catching them is the reward you get for the work (and learning) you did finding them. Descending on a spot someone else has identified and using the most effective method of fishing available gets results, but hardly equates with finding the fish on your own and catching them on your terms.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Finding fish is the most satisfying part of fishing, catching them is the reward you get for the work (and learning) you did finding them. Descending on a spot someone else has identified and using the most effective method of fishing available gets results, but hardly equates with finding the fish on your own and catching them on your terms.

Your right 100% correct...But it also shows that using the most effective method is sometimes prudent and also smart


The phiosphy of this me against the world stuff trying to force your will on fish just doesnt work...Unless a fisherman is after nothing but casting practice, the smart guys will usually at some point want results, and the wise fisherman gets results by using that which puts fish in the boat wheather that be plugs or bait ! After awhile the dude casting a plug to no avail starts to look like an idiot when cast after cast he gets nothing while everyone around him is hawking the doors off the fish using bait, all the while this guy trying to force his will on fish who want notrhing to do with his fake offering...thats just the way it is..Thats just ignorance and stupidity, a good fisherman should never close the door to what works..Unless like I said they just like casting practice and burning gass to watch sun rise...Fishing eventually involves catching a fish at some point...maybe I am wrong...Yes its rewarding finding fish on your own, the trick then becomes catching them..

To many people try to make these fish do what they want them to do...it will never happen...Hoever if someone pulls up to a spot I am in and I say "theres nothing here" and he tosses in a live bunker and pulls out a nice bass...I am the one who looks foolish...

Anyway, I have never, ever crammed anyones style, I dont fish peoples spots or horn in on what someone else has found...never have never will...If someone of my frinds tells me and invites me, thats a different story..And even then I usually dont because I have more confidence in my self than anyone else and would rather fish where my instinc tells me to..

[Krispy]

I just swallowed the tip of my tongue and burst a vessel in my eyeball.

I gotta disagree Backbeach. Spot burninga something you just don't do, burning a friend is plain F'd up. Whether u agree or not if it makes a difference there are unspoken rules btwn fishermen that should be respected.

[parker23]

Oops, my mailbox hust blew up. Guess I hit a NERVE!

[Back Beach]

Been there, done that. Its part of the game. I've learned not to claim any piece of water as my own because its likely, if not definite, that someone has fished it before you. Yes, you will benefit if you keep your pet spots quiet by not broadcasting them and drawing crowds, but over time I've benefitted from getting good info and I've shared good info in return.I've seen this situation play out countless times. Get over it, they're %$%$%$%$ing fish for god's sake.

[Krispy]

I bit my tongue so hard its swelling

[Nebe]

telling most of the guys on this site anything to do with spots that are currently producing is like telling a registered sex offender the address to a group home for hot female teenage nymphomaniacs. Most will loose control and disregard any respect.

lessons i have learned over the years are simple-

1. Have a small core of friends to share info with that you KNOW you can trust. Respect the info they give you and hopefully they will reciprocate.

2. Dont brag online about catching lots of fish.. it will only bring attention to yourself.

3. Dont trust anyone who you know cant follow rules 1 and 2.

4. Dont trust anyone who you know is making $$ through fishing legitimately or illegally.

5. Dont trust anyone who you can tell fishes only to catch.. or in other words, trust those who fish simply for the love of fishing.

[RIJIMMY]

Dont brag online about catching lots of fish.. it will only bring attention to yourself.

So true, I am the biggest sharpie out here and you'll all never know.

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by parker23

Wow, I am fired up. It really ticks me off when in confidence you share a spot with a “friend”. A spot that I have been learning and studying for the past 7 years. During that time, I can count one hand the number of boats fishing in that area. Then last spring I called my “friend” to tell him I was on fish. Within a half hour several boats including a charter boat were fishing the spot. Boats that until that day never even looked at the spot ruined the entire spring.

Yesterday, I get several emails from my TRUE FRIENDS containing web address for a FishingTheOcean State TV show highlighting the “HONEY HOLE”.

I learned my lesson the hard way. Do not share your spots with your so-called friends.

Hopefully, this message saves one of you from making this mistake. Take your cherished spots to your grave.

I pray dear fish god that my "friend" will have an empty fish box for many seasons to come.

It sux P23 but I think most fishermen have been burned before. Your case is extreme as it was on TV burned by some Hollywoods but its best to know early on how friends treat you, the spot was important to you and that's where thbe disrespect hurts. Not whether its been successful for other people

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Krispy

It sux P23 but I think most fishermen have been burned before. Your case is extreme as it was on TV burned by some Hollywoods but its best to know early on how friends treat you, the spot was important to you and that's where thbe disrespect hurts. Not whether its been successful for other people

You know what? it will be you who has this thread pulled so I wont be baited into this...thats why its edited..Ignoring you is the best thing to do...This is your MO..Get me into a pissing match...well I thought the better of it..So if you have already copied what I said...thats fine but hopefully this thread does not get yanked because you re-post it...

you dont even know whats going on here

[BassDawg]

Well, well, well............................

Finally, a thread worth sinking some teeth into !

Just one question, for each of you.

If I agree with you Bill, then does that mean that you'll divulge the right winds, tides, times, and GPS #'s of Area A ?

The effin pilgrims can effff offf, Parker23! How do you think the Conanicut and the Algonquit Tribes feel about YOU claiming their God given waters ?

Eben's Rules of Discovery work well.

The Iron One once told me when I asked him about giving out "honeycove" info to one of the cats I had met online <<<<<ova there.

He said, "Jess, how do you think we keep landing our trophies? We don't tell anyone but the three or four of us. Is this guy yer brother/best friend? If he isn't he will tell his friends, and they will tell their friends, and so on and so on and so on and yer LAHHHHGE will disappear..........."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

Well, well, well............................

Finally, a thread worth sinking some teeth into !

Just one question, for each of you.

If I agree with you Bill, then does that mean that you'll divulge the right winds, tides, times, and GPS #'s of Area A ?

The effin pilgrims can effff offf, Parker23! How do you think the Conanicut and the Algonquit Tribes feel about YOU claiming their God given waters ?

Eben's Rules of Discovery work well.

The Iron One once told me when I asked him about giving out "honeycove" info to one of the cats I had met online <<<<<ova there.

He said, "Jess, how do you think we keep landing our trophies? We don't tell anyone but the three or four of us. Is this guy yer brother/best friend? If he isn't he will tell his friends, and they will tell their friends, and so on and so on and so on and yer LAHHHHGE will disappear..........."

Well for once I agree.

[decksweeper]

Bill's been nothing but helpful to me in the past, and I don't even know him. I've got a number of questions about fishing bunker in the bay and by watching, some were answered, so thanks for putting that up there.

What's funny is Bills threads always get so much action, because people want to know what he's saying...cuz he knows...

[Saltheart]

I understand Parker 23's feelings but experience has taught me that its your own fault for telling someone. If they repeat something you told them , the bottom line is that its was your own fault for talking about it in the first place.

The flip side is that there really are no "secret spots around here. Its a small state and many people know "all the spots". What people most often don't know is when a spot is hot. So while I don't get major heart burn when someone names a spot , I do get a little miffed when they blab it right when its still hot.

Talking about spots with friends is way different than talking spots on the internet. If mouth to mouth blabbing gets the message to 10 people in a month , the internet is more like 1000 people in a night. To me , you need to protect the spots access from the 1000's. The fish come and go. What's hot today is cold tomorrow but once access is denied to a spot by private property owners who are pissed because suddenly there are 50 people in their backyard instead of 5 , that access usually never gets restored. The shear numbers involved on the internet make spot burning here way more damaging than talking mouth to mouth amongst friends.

Lastly , I want to say that good friends are more important than good fishing spots. Do learn to keep your own mouth shut but don't get too angry at a frined who has blabbed about a spot. Its not worth it.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

I understand Parker 23's feelings but experience has taught me that its your own fault for telling someone. If they repeat something you told them , the bottom line is that its was your own fault for talking about it in the first place.

The flip side is that there really are no "secret spots around here. Its a small state and many people know "all the spots". What people most often don't know is when a spot is hot. So while I don't get major heart burn when someone names a spot , I do get a little miffed when they blab it right when its still hot.

Talking about spots with friends is way different than talking spots on the internet. If mouth to mouth blabbing gets the message to 10 people in a month , the internet is more like 1000 people in a night. To me , you need to protect the spots access from the 1000's. The fish come and go. What's hot today is cold tomorrow but once access is denied to a spot by private property owners who are pissed because suddenly there are 50 people in their backyard instead of 5 , that access usually never gets restored. The shear numbers involved on the internet make spot burning here way more damaging than talking mouth to mouth amongst friends.

Lastly , I want to say that good friends are more important than good fishing spots. Do learn to keep your own mouth shut but don't get too angry at a frined who has blabbed about a spot. Its not worth it.

Mike I would agree with what your saying execpt, nobody told me anything?? thats the point I have tried to make?? He certainly didnt put me on that spot.....So it wasnt a matter of him telling me anything? the whole thing is useless...I would almost go as far as saying the more I read it that he is fabracating the whole thing? All that was ever said to me was "hey there are some fish at so and so" Big deal, thats all it was...Funny part was I never asked him for it and it wasnt even him who told me that?? Its a spot I fish on a regular basis anyway..As far as I am concerned I can whatever I want even though I didnt...It was tv SHOW ????????

Wow..

[Saltheart]

I have no idea who told who , etc in this particular case. . I do know Bill that you , like me , don't need anyone to show them fishing spots in RI. Once you have put in enough time to know the entire coast , there simply are no more secret spots.

BTW , I remember when you and I rattled off some 60 , 70 or whatever number of spots all across the state from Naps to Little Compton one offseason when this site first started.

Anyway , I am sure that not even all the fishing spots put together is worth losing a friend over.

[Tagger]

All my spots are dried up and barren of any fish .. I like my spots ... nobody burns them ..

[fishaholic18]

Much of the problem is that there are only so many spots, if you fish enough, you are bound to fish on someone else's...so called spot. First of..No one owns a SPOT...This land is OUR land, we all have the right to fish where ever we want to.. I fish hundreds of different spots and have been for probably 25 years, boat and shore..Are they all my SPOTS..NO!...Do I get pissed when I see someone else fishing it...Not really..I may just pass it up and come back to it when it's less crowded..Bruce, the spot I think you speak of (haven't seen the show yet) is a spot I fished 20 years ago..Do I claim it to be my spot? NO, I'm sure many others have fished it way b4 I did. Who cares who is fishing what spot, fish have fins...It's more so about the fisherman who can trick the fish, not so much the SPOT. I got over the Spot thing along time ago, now I just like to respect another's space and hope everyone does the same for me. Just my opinion on the whole Spot thing.

[Goose]

tv shows/internet....Thats just out right ignorance telling people where you are, especially if you been around. I know they know better but I believe they said "F%#@ it'' as long as we are liked by most who cares if we screw the few locals. You would think they learned something from OTW or even Charlie Moore, as much as people dislike the show around here you would think they would of learned something in that respect. Bill do you remember when you posted a whole thing about Galilee then you deleated it? people never forget that...not cool.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Goose

tv shows/internet....Thats just out right ignorance telling people where you are, especially if you been around. I know they know better but I believe they said "F%#@ it'' as long as we are liked by most who cares if we screw the few locals. You would think they learned something from OTW or even Charlie Moore, as much as people dislike the show around here you would think they would of learned something in that respect. Bill do you remember when you posted a whole thing about Galilee then you deleated it? people never forget that...not cool.

Your first sentence misses the point tony..We never told anyone where we were..... How can I make that more clear...I think you should go back and read a few of my earlier posts on this before making judgements...Never said where we were the whole show...By the way I am a local also. I live here and fish here

[Nebe]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is allright in my book. Even Carmen Electra thinks so.

http://www.celebritydumpster.com/view.html?id=12679

[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is allright in my book. Even Carmen Electra thinks so.

Bill, you're trying to argue your way out of a box here. If you're going to be on TV catching fish, posting pics of fish etc, etc, etc... people are going to take pot shots be they good or bad. There's really no winning, which is why most celebs pretty much have to ignore what goes on in the news or they'd go insane.

-spence

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Nebe

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is allright in my book. Even Carmen Electra thinks so.

http://www.celebritydumpster.com/view.html?id=12679

Holy Sh!t..I didn't even see that..Now THAT is ^%$#@ funny stuff..