Embarassing

[scottw]

so the good Reverend Racist got an adoring tongue bath from Bill Moyers last night.... and from what I hear Bill will feature the members of the Weather Underground next week to explain that they were in all actuality, an organization whose rhetoric was simply taken out of context and actions misunderstood....Bill and Hillary were right, it's time for the liberal mainstream media to break out their OBAMA for PRESIDENT buttons and throw away their license to practice journalism......nah, nah, nah..GOD HELP AMERICA!

[spence]

I'm curious, how many of Rev. Wright's sermons have you listened to in full?

-spence

[scottw]

I love it, I knew you'd be right on that Spence, let's see, have not listened to all of the Rev. Racist speeches in full, nope...but...never listened to any Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Chavez, Pol Pot, Mao, choose your maniacal tyrant speeches in full either but I'm sure that many were eloquently delivered to nodding approval by their followers and I know that they are/were bad guys, I have spent the time to learn about this "church", what it approves and pushes as it's agenda, black liberation theology, Marxism disguised as religeon...don't forget the Hamas Manifesto... much is/was available on it's own website, much has been removed for obvious reasons, can't make this one go away no matter how hard they try......but hey....it's just WORDS, right? don't worry, the Reverend isn't the nut, I am....

[spence]

Wow, you're really off the deep end on this one.

So Rev. Wright who served his country in the US Marine Corps, US Navy and has spent his entire life working for the community is equated with Hitler and Pol Pot?

All because he holds a few wacky viewpoints and likes to use heated rhetoric in his sermons?

I guess now that associates Barak Obama with Hitler and Pol Pot as well.

Oh %$%$%$%$, about 1/2 of the country would probably vote for Obama. Factoring in % voters that means about 30% of the country is supporting Hitler and Pol Pot.

It's all very clear to me know why some on the Right accuse those on the Left of hating America. Considering how evil Hitler (and Pol Pot) really were, there's a lot of evil that deserves to be hated.

-spence

[scottw]

never said he killed anyone, simply pointed out that I didn't need to hear all of the speeches of those other fellows to know that they were bad guys, I don't need to sit and listen to all of his speeches/sermons/rants to know that Rev. Racist is a bad guy, there are more than enough associations, incidents etc. that bear this out, only the Kool Aid drinkers are going to buy the new and improved Reverend on Prozac on his goodwill tour, but give them credit for trying, can't to see the interview with Bill Ayers!

[spence]

So your premise is based on the notion that Rev. Wright is such a bad person you can just tell? Like in a Hitler or Pol Pot sort of way?

Considering all the good things the man has clearly accomplished in his life, you sir, must have pretty high standards to make such a statement.

Please explain what makes him so evil, because I just can't comprehend what you're saying, and people tend to actually think I"m a pretty sharp fellow.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

SCott- Im 100% with you.

Its a simple concept to me. I dont care what he did with his life, the words he preached in the few excerpts I heard are enough for me to make up my mind.

If Rev W was white and a white candidate attended his church, that person would have been eliminated immediately from the presidential race. There are double standards in this country that really annoy me.

[scottw]

I don't look at it as a racial thing, it more an ideaology issue, Wright uses race and religeon to further his ideaology . I've told any number of people that of the three left in the race, I believe that Obama is the most honest, Hillary is intellectually dishonest and a congenital liar was how I think William Sapphire described her, Mc Cain to me is much like Clinton, he'll tell you one thing one minute and then tell you that he never saind it the next minute, both are pretty skilled at, spinning? One of Obama's problems is that he's a very inept liar, when he's not on the teleprompter and faced with questions that are not of the softball variety he stumbles and bumbles, the mainstream media should have been on all of these stories more than a year ago but they were too busy pleasuring themselves with multiple Obama-gasms to offer any real scrutiny of the man, yesterday and today should be giving ole' Spence fits!!!

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

SCott- Im 100% with you.

Its a simple concept to me. I dont care what he did with his life, the words he preached in the few excerpts I heard are enough for me to make up my mind.

If Rev W was white and a white candidate attended his church, that person would have been eliminated immediately from the presidential race. There are double standards in this country that really annoy me.

Funny how Liberals refuse to hold the Rev to the same standards of political correctness they demand of us.

[spence]

What's funny is how some people can't imagine reforming an opinion when new information becomes available. Wright as wacky as he may be didn't go to Libya to fraternize with terrorists, many of his comments were taken out of context, Obama has distanced himself from many of Wrights comments and yet I hear the same accusations repeated over and over. You guys aren't even focused on the really odd things he's said and rather seem to peseverate on the refutable!

What's even funnier is how all this anti-Wright opinion has simply given the man a national platform from which to speak! He's laughing all the way to the bank.

Wright is the devil, he's evil and ScottW can smell it. Nothing can change this, and if you don't reject him in whole then you're endorsing his positions

One of the primary reasons the republican party has lost so many moderate voters is precisely the failure to recognize publicly that many issues do indeed fall on a spectrum...that the world is not black and white, good an evil etc...Bush's foreign policy should make that perfectly clear.

Now you're turning this same intolerance for critical thought on our own country, perhaps to the demise of us all.

-spence

[scottw]

critical thought huh? that's really funny, you must be double-jointed Spence to be able to accomplish the gymnastics required to to defend this stuff, just gets better every day...Obama fandom has been wringing it's collectivist hands for the past few days, Who let the Rev, out again????, I now know why they bought him a 1.6 million dollar home in a gated , predominantly white community with a 10 million dollar credit line, they figure it's best to lock him IN, he can stay in his mansion and live out his days screaming profanity at his neighbors...heh heh...you should read Salon.com "Wright is wrong" from yesterday and anything by Juan Williams over the past few months just to make you aware that there are a lot of, I guess, "intolerant folks" as you describe anyone that doesn't follow your so-called critical thought, on the left that aren't down with the Rev. and his star pupil, to calm your fears and concerns which have developed in your near appaplectic state I want you to know that if our demise is near and the world is to end tomorrow, with women and monirities being hardest hit of course, I will take full responsibility... don't be angry( I mean angrier) but while clinging to my Bible on Sunday I prayed for you, you really should follow my advice from earlier, you clearly have not started your regimin which I so generously perscribed at no cost to you, so I'm going to try to locate some full season DVD's of Will and Grace for you, because I care Spence....I really do, PEACE BROTHER

[scottw]

couldn't resist sharing

What is Bill Richardson thinking?
Thomas Lifson
Investor's Business Daily highlights the very problematic private South American diplomatic initiative of Bill Richardson, who has endorse Barack Obama and is generally considered as a possible running mate on the Democrats' ticket, or perhaps a Secretary of State in an Obama Administration.


Ostensibly he is seeking release of several hostages being held by the FARC guerillas in Colombia's jungle. But, against the wishes of the Colombian government, a democratic ally of the United States led by very popular President Uribe, Richardson is insisting on meeting with Venezuela's Marxist dictator wannabe, Hugo Chavez.


let's see...
Carter and Hamas(and a host of other thugs)
Pelosi and Asad of Syria
Albright, Carter, Clinton, Richardson and Kim Jong something of North Korea
Joe Kennedy, many Dems and Richardson and Chavez
the Hollywood left and Cuba
was it Leslie Staal and her kissy faced interview with Amadenijad(forgive my spelling)?
don't forget Neville Chamberlain and Hitler
Jame Fonda and the North Vietnamese
a few dem members of congeress and Hussein on a trip funded by Hussein to criticize their own country and president
the dem party and every Soviet leader prior to the fall of the wall
the Clinton's and anyone from China with cash

and on and on...


but never, ever, call them unpatriotic...they're just critical thinkers...

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

SCott- Im 100% with you.

Its a simple concept to me. I dont care what he did with his life, the words he preached in the few excerpts I heard are enough for me to make up my mind.

If Rev W was white and a white candidate attended his church, that person would have been eliminated immediately from the presidential race. There are double standards in this country that really annoy me.

I guess you didnt har what Rev. Hagee said about catholics, gays and jewish disobedience, who of course, as we know, endorsed McCain.

You can mask your opinions in this double standard nonsense, but you know as well as I do that we dont like to hear angry black men.

And as far as double standards are concerned women probably suffer the most as a result of such things, not you and me.

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

I guess you didnt har what Rev. Hagee said about catholics, gays and jewish disobedience, who of course, as we know, endorsed McCain.

You can mask your opinions in this double standard nonsense, but you know as well as I do that we dont like to hear angry black men.

And as far as double standards are concerned women probably suffer the most as a result of such things, not you and me.

Thats because McCain immediately refuted what he said and his endorsement.

[RIJIMMY]

scottw is my new hero.

BTW, I have now heard Wrights two interviews and speeches and I must admit, my opinion of him is lower than before. Not only is he a hateful racist, he is an arrogant jerk. Did you hear his imitation of Kennedy? His point is so childish, its embarrassing. Thats said, he has every right to speak his mind. I just can't for the life of me understand how a "friend" of Obama can contunie to dig a deeper hole? All he had to do was shut up for 6 months. Maybe if Obama became president Wright, Sharpton and Jackson would be out of a job? There would be no more need for hate and fear mongering among the races if we had a black president. I hope the day does come, I want equality and justice and want these loud mouth racists to go away.

[EarnedStripes44]

Speaking of double standards, not once....NOT ONCE, have I heard of a catholic candidate running for public office enduring such a smear campaign because of a handful of pederast priest or the archbishop who condoned the behavior.

And to this association with Obama and Farakhan he denounced his endorsement...

[EarnedStripes44]

John Hagee and McCain... I dont think so

[EarnedStripes44]

oh and 1 more thing...

his church feeds over 5000 homeless people.... roughly the population of central parks resident homeless in the summertime

[scottw]

so much anger on the left....SERENITY NOW....SERENITY NOW...

[EarnedStripes44]

Rev. Racist that is.

[EarnedStripes44]

angry.... I prefer objective, perhaps even enlightened, but you might label me an "elitist" or something offensive like that. I will leave it up to you to maintain the cancerous strain of anti-intellectual partisan sentiment that has gripped much of the right wing media. I will leave it up to you to go back to debating the sanctity of Hanna Montana's extracurricular activities.

[EarnedStripes44]

you know what slaves did when the constitutional convention failed them the first time. Most of them turned to the bible, thereby embracing subservience, servitude and complacency. Those that didnt cling to there religion while the planter class kept them in chains turned to guns. That is exactly what people do when the government fails them. Now the present state of the american proleteriat in no way compares to that of the american slave, but just ride through a poor community, be it black, white or latino. You will see dopedealers, armed stick up kids and churches. Those that dont bide there time in church, pray to the P&N, the pipe and needle. The others religious traditions are rooted in swigs from 40oz's of old english 800, zima, MD 20/20 among other spirits. I promise you, if things keep up, this will all be coming to a neighborhood near you if it already hasnt.

[scottw]

ENLIGHTENED? haaaaaaaaa I love it when someone refers to themselves as enlightened ........ewwww.. you are sooo special and smart too, you must look in the mirror and just gaze at yourself admiringly every morning...tell me, when you become ENLIGHTENED do they take away your sense of humor, because I've noticed that the two rarely co-exist...


ENLIGHTENED is sufficient to tell me all I need to know, how do you get ENLIGHTENED? Do you have to drink something for that, Kool Aid maybe, probably RED KOOL AID?...I guess if you expect the government to provide everything for you, then you should also expect to be failed, it's a choice you know or maybe you don't... I think I erred when I mentioned the interview with Amadenijad, I think that was actually Dianne Sawyer licking his boots, sorry Leslie if you are reading this, and then Dan Rather swapping spit with Saddam Hussein, that was priceless...COURAGE...my children will be fine, what you propose is more of exactly what has caused all of the ills that you speak of, but the left never examines the results of their crappy socialist programs, just claim that they are simply underfunded and need to get bigger...the only things that get bigger are the beaurocracies and the suffering for those that "depend" on them...but without a mass dependency on government programs there wouldn't be much of a reason to vote for the dems...so sign em' up!!!

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by scottw

ENLIGHTENED? haaaaaaaaa I love it when someone refers to themselves as enlightened ........ewwww.. you are sooo special and smart too, you must look in the mirror and just gaze at yourself admiringly every morning...tell me, when you become ENLIGHTENED do they take away your sense of humor, because I've noticed that the two rarely co-exist...


ENLIGHTENED is sufficient to tell me all I need to know, how do you get ENLIGHTENED? Do you have to drink something for that, Kool Aid maybe, probably RED KOOL AID?...I guess if you expect the government to provide everything for you, then you should also expect to be failed, it's a choice you know or maybe you don't... I think I erred when I mentioned the interview with Amadenijad, I think that was actually Dianne Sawyer licking his boots, sorry Leslie if you are reading this, and then Dan Rather swapping spit with Saddam Hussein, that was priceless...COURAGE...my children will be fine, what you propose is more of exactly what has caused all of the ills that you speak of, but the left never examines the results of their crappy socialist programs, just claim that they are simply underfunded and need to get bigger...the only things that get bigger are the beaurocracies and the suffering for those that "depend" on them...but without a mass dependency on government programs there wouldn't be much of a reason to vote for the dems...so sign em' up!!!

to become enlightened, you just have to read. Both sides of the argument too. Objectivity is paramount.

As far bureaucracy and its dependents, tell that to Bear Stearns. The Federal Reserve Bank provided a 28 billion something life vest. Sounds like dependents suffering to me. What did you get, a 500 dollar rebate check. I bet it cost 50 dollars to fill your car wit gas. That'll get you through 10 weeks.

We have mixed economy for a reason Scott. Without regulation, capitalism will degenerate into its cancerous stage. Look at the mortgage industry and energy, heavily deregulated under Pube administrations, the resul; price fixing and monopolies and the like and subsequent market collapse. Your being bamboozled. If I drink red kool aid, your drinking something thick and brown and its is not Mocha.

[scottw]

must be great to be enlightened and know it all, the Press Club claims that it was not a Clinton operative that set it up, and I'm sure you'll applaud Clinton for any tactics that she uses against the repubs. , so you're saying poor ole' Obama is just an innocent victim of a devious plot?? that's the problem with you enlightened individuals, you way overthink things, did Hillary's operative write the Rev's speech too, I think they were exactly the same things he's been saying all along, just looped over and over like he says, Obama has been defending him for weeks and suddenly he's gone too far saying exactly what he's always said???...pretty funny, oh, well...high 5's all around at Clinton headquarters, Bill's lighting up a big fat Monicanudo cigar right about now with visions of naked interns dancing in his head...

[scottw]

[QUOTE=EarnedStripes44;586033]to become enlightened, you just have to read. Both sides of the argument too. Objectivity is paramount.

I just read that again, that is great because I thought maybe there was some ceremony or something, virgin sacrafice, out of body experience, trip to the desert...it's that simple huh? I'm in, guess I'll have to learn to read though

wait a minute.....you aren't suggesting that you are in any way objective, are you 44? Cause, you've written a whole lot and I don't see you grasping both sides of anything

[spence]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

We have mixed economy for a reason Scott. Without regulation, capitalism will degenerate into its cancerous stage. Look at the mortgage industry and energy, heavily deregulated under Pube administrations, the resul; price fixing and monopolies and the like and subsequent market collapse. Your being bamboozled. If I drink red kool aid, your drinking something thick and brown and its is not Mocha.

Sorry, I'm on the road all week and just can't afford the time to keep stringing Scott along

But this seems to be a fundamendal issue here. Some (and not a Liberal some mind you) are more willing than others to realize the world can't be seen in black and white terms.

Our economy is not a "free market" but rather a "regulated market". Wealth redistribution isn't a Liberal evil but rather a necessity that's supported the middle class for over half a century via a progressive tax system and formed the structure for a consumer driven society.

It's like the pundits have whipped people into a frenzy where by anything not focused on some Conservative or Liberal "brand ideal" can't be a good thing because it's not on the critical path to nirvanna, all the time knowing themselves that their mantras are the result of ego and advertisement revenues rather than pragmatic and learned thought. While there may be wisdom in their words, it's not a playbook for life and certianly not something you could base a successful society around alone.

Any good engineer knows you make something better by taking it to the extreme to see where it breaks, and as such there are really no conservative or liberal ideas that would work in their pure forms.

Yet our leadership, to appease a base, pretends to behave as thought this is true to serve not you or me but ultimately the corporate machine.

Enlightenment is a relative term and in this information age it can be difficult to know how good your data is, but I'd still rather take some enlightenment over none.

The simple fact is, making the effort to understand or even appreciate a viewpoint that's not your own is a very liberal thing, and a very good thing. In some cases it might help you know your enemy, and in others it may give you better appreciation for another perspective on life.

God forbid it indicates your %$%$%$%$ does indeed stink. If so perhaps you should listen to your body and change your diet.

-spence

[Bill L]

The thing about Wright is that when he states and amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS, when he suggests Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st centuries, when he equates the United State's wartime efforts with terrorism, there are no excuses. I dont need to hear any more or research his sermons to decide I dont like the guy.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Sorry, I'm on the road all week and just can't afford the time to keep stringing Scott along

But this seems to be a fundamendal issue here. Some (and not a Liberal some mind you) are more willing than others to realize the world can't be seen in black and white terms.

Our economy is not a "free market" but rather a "regulated market". Wealth redistribution isn't a Liberal evil but rather a necessity that's supported the middle class for over half a century via a progressive tax system and formed the structure for a consumer driven society.

It's like the pundits have whipped people into a frenzy where by anything not focused on some Conservative or Liberal "brand ideal" can't be a good thing because it's not on the critical path to nirvanna, all the time knowing themselves that their mantras are the result of ego and advertisement revenues rather than pragmatic and learned thought. While there may be wisdom in their words, it's not a playbook for life and certianly not something you could base a successful society around alone.

Any good engineer knows you make something better by taking it to the extreme to see where it breaks, and as such there are really no conservative or liberal ideas that would work in their pure forms.

Yet our leadership, to appease a base, pretends to behave as thought this is true to serve not you or me but ultimately the corporate machine.

Enlightenment is a relative term and in this information age it can be difficult to know how good your data is, but I'd still rather take some enlightenment over none.

The simple fact is, making the effort to understand or even appreciate a viewpoint that's not your own is a very liberal thing, and a very good thing. In some cases it might help you know your enemy, and in others it may give you better appreciation for another perspective on life.

God forbid it indicates your %$%$%$%$ does indeed stink. If so perhaps you should listen to your body and change your diet.

-spence

when all else fails...dazzle them with arrogant condecension

enlightenment= narciscistic delusion

black/white right/wrong truth/lies
I perfer absolutes,

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

you know what slaves did when the constitutional convention failed them the first time. Most of them turned to the bible, thereby embracing subservience, servitude and complacency. Those that didnt cling to there religion while the planter class kept them in chains turned to guns. That is exactly what people do when the government fails them. Now the present state of the american proleteriat in no way compares to that of the american slave, but just ride through a poor community, be it black, white or latino. You will see dopedealers, armed stick up kids and churches. Those that dont bide there time in church, pray to the P&N, the pipe and needle. The others religious traditions are rooted in swigs from 40oz's of old english 800, zima, MD 20/20 among other spirits. I promise you, if things keep up, this will all be coming to a neighborhood near you if it already hasnt.

I think your making excuses for unlawful abhorent behavior that even the poor members of the community don't make. Coloring too many people with the same broad brush by giving or making excuses for thier behavior only shows that you may even condone the poor peoples so-called desperate behavior as a means to a quicker end (some went to the bible some took to thier guns). Stop blaming anyone of us for slavery that our forebearers particpated in. You're much more condescending to the poor people than we are.

Don't for one minute think that none of us do not understand anyones plight in America. Even the media yesterday publicly ridiculed some of the statements Reverend Wright made after giving his initial presentation at a press club speech. It is his right however to say what he wants. I may not embrace it, but I'll defend his right to say whatever he'd like.