Embarassing

[spence]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

We have mixed economy for a reason Scott. Without regulation, capitalism will degenerate into its cancerous stage. Look at the mortgage industry and energy, heavily deregulated under Pube administrations, the resul; price fixing and monopolies and the like and subsequent market collapse. Your being bamboozled. If I drink red kool aid, your drinking something thick and brown and its is not Mocha.

Sorry, I'm on the road all week and just can't afford the time to keep stringing Scott along

But this seems to be a fundamendal issue here. Some (and not a Liberal some mind you) are more willing than others to realize the world can't be seen in black and white terms.

Our economy is not a "free market" but rather a "regulated market". Wealth redistribution isn't a Liberal evil but rather a necessity that's supported the middle class for over half a century via a progressive tax system and formed the structure for a consumer driven society.

It's like the pundits have whipped people into a frenzy where by anything not focused on some Conservative or Liberal "brand ideal" can't be a good thing because it's not on the critical path to nirvanna, all the time knowing themselves that their mantras are the result of ego and advertisement revenues rather than pragmatic and learned thought. While there may be wisdom in their words, it's not a playbook for life and certianly not something you could base a successful society around alone.

Any good engineer knows you make something better by taking it to the extreme to see where it breaks, and as such there are really no conservative or liberal ideas that would work in their pure forms.

Yet our leadership, to appease a base, pretends to behave as thought this is true to serve not you or me but ultimately the corporate machine.

Enlightenment is a relative term and in this information age it can be difficult to know how good your data is, but I'd still rather take some enlightenment over none.

The simple fact is, making the effort to understand or even appreciate a viewpoint that's not your own is a very liberal thing, and a very good thing. In some cases it might help you know your enemy, and in others it may give you better appreciation for another perspective on life.

God forbid it indicates your %$%$%$%$ does indeed stink. If so perhaps you should listen to your body and change your diet.

-spence

[Bill L]

The thing about Wright is that when he states and amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS, when he suggests Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st centuries, when he equates the United State's wartime efforts with terrorism, there are no excuses. I dont need to hear any more or research his sermons to decide I dont like the guy.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Sorry, I'm on the road all week and just can't afford the time to keep stringing Scott along

But this seems to be a fundamendal issue here. Some (and not a Liberal some mind you) are more willing than others to realize the world can't be seen in black and white terms.

Our economy is not a "free market" but rather a "regulated market". Wealth redistribution isn't a Liberal evil but rather a necessity that's supported the middle class for over half a century via a progressive tax system and formed the structure for a consumer driven society.

It's like the pundits have whipped people into a frenzy where by anything not focused on some Conservative or Liberal "brand ideal" can't be a good thing because it's not on the critical path to nirvanna, all the time knowing themselves that their mantras are the result of ego and advertisement revenues rather than pragmatic and learned thought. While there may be wisdom in their words, it's not a playbook for life and certianly not something you could base a successful society around alone.

Any good engineer knows you make something better by taking it to the extreme to see where it breaks, and as such there are really no conservative or liberal ideas that would work in their pure forms.

Yet our leadership, to appease a base, pretends to behave as thought this is true to serve not you or me but ultimately the corporate machine.

Enlightenment is a relative term and in this information age it can be difficult to know how good your data is, but I'd still rather take some enlightenment over none.

The simple fact is, making the effort to understand or even appreciate a viewpoint that's not your own is a very liberal thing, and a very good thing. In some cases it might help you know your enemy, and in others it may give you better appreciation for another perspective on life.

God forbid it indicates your %$%$%$%$ does indeed stink. If so perhaps you should listen to your body and change your diet.

-spence

when all else fails...dazzle them with arrogant condecension

enlightenment= narciscistic delusion

black/white right/wrong truth/lies
I perfer absolutes,

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

I perfer absolutes,

That's pretty clear. So does President Bush, and look were it's taking this country of ours.

And I think you just reinforced my point.

-spence

[Bronko]

Scott W, I like the cut of your jib!

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

That's pretty clear. So does President Bush, and look were it's taking this country of ours.

And I think you just reinforced my point.

-spence

Thank you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Thank you.

For what you threat squatter? Add some substance will ya.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

For what you threat squatter? Add some substance will ya.

-spence

Threat squatter? I like that. So where are you now, Reverend defense mode or in agreement with BHO on the Rev? Keep in mind you can't be both.

[scottw]

Spence can be whatever he wants to be, shades of gray, allows you to excuse/ support nearly anything an any time, moral relativity, facts don't matter it's only the Spirt of the Intent, whatever best suits his argument at any given moment.....allows you to support Marxist principles despite the failures that they've produced through the last century...probably got him through 8 years of Clinton, now the ship is sinking and he's clinging to the side, claiming it wasn't an iceberg at all, just an unusually large swell... MAN OVEBOARD!!

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Threat squatter? I like that. So where are you now, Reverend defense mode or in agreement with BHO on the Rev? Keep in mind you can't be both.

Yes, and you don't determine my position either

Never been defending the Rev, just pragmatic principals.

-spence