Embarassing

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

you know what slaves did when the constitutional convention failed them the first time. Most of them turned to the bible, thereby embracing subservience, servitude and complacency. Those that didnt cling to there religion while the planter class kept them in chains turned to guns. That is exactly what people do when the government fails them. Now the present state of the american proleteriat in no way compares to that of the american slave, but just ride through a poor community, be it black, white or latino. You will see dopedealers, armed stick up kids and churches. Those that dont bide there time in church, pray to the P&N, the pipe and needle. The others religious traditions are rooted in swigs from 40oz's of old english 800, zima, MD 20/20 among other spirits. I promise you, if things keep up, this will all be coming to a neighborhood near you if it already hasnt.

I think your making excuses for unlawful abhorent behavior that even the poor members of the community don't make. Coloring too many people with the same broad brush by giving or making excuses for thier behavior only shows that you may even condone the poor peoples so-called desperate behavior as a means to a quicker end (some went to the bible some took to thier guns). Stop blaming anyone of us for slavery that our forebearers particpated in. You're much more condescending to the poor people than we are.

Don't for one minute think that none of us do not understand anyones plight in America. Even the media yesterday publicly ridiculed some of the statements Reverend Wright made after giving his initial presentation at a press club speech. It is his right however to say what he wants. I may not embrace it, but I'll defend his right to say whatever he'd like.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

I think your making excuses for unlawful abhorent behavior that even the poor members of the community don't make. Coloring too many people with the same broad brush by giving or making excuses for thier behavior only shows that you may even condone the poor peoples so-called desperate behavior as a means to a quicker end (some went to the bible some took to thier guns). Stop blaming anyone of us for slavery that our forebearers particpated in. You're much more condescending to the poor people than we are.

Don't think for one minute that none of us do not understand anyones plight in America. Even the media yesterday publicly ridiculed some of the statements Reverend Wright made after giving his initial presentation at a press club speech. It is his right however to say what he wants. I may not embrace it, but I'll defend his right to say whatever he'd like.

You do not understand what oppression is when you are poor and black. It has nothing to do with being condescending. The travesty hear is dismissing my statement as a broad generalization of poor communities. There are good people in the ghetto, no doubt about it, but religion in many circumstances, has a medicating effect and nurtures complacency, good and bad. As does alcohol and drugs, good people and bad. There is a liquor for every traffic light on every corner in South Washington DC. I have seen it with my own eyes.

Tell me why unemployment in the poor black communities of southside of chicago is upwards of 50 percent... what else are people to do when there are no jobs. There are more drug dealers than are street corners which may explain 300+ caskets a year in North Philadelphia. I think your more out of touch than I am. Moving a couple of eightballs a weekend consistently is the equivalent of 30,000 dollars a year. Sounds better than the GAP, oh..but thats right, corporate lay offs and outsourcing our the new business models.

Well maybe you are not out of touch, it may very well be that you understand, but the tone of your response is at the very least an apathetic point of view. So I am to assume you dont care, neither does the government. Sure there are good people in ghetto, but is it fair for them to work hard for nothing. For their children to turn to crime and drugs because of widespread public school failures. I can give lists of examples of how blacks, by and large, were kept out of the american dream. And Im talking NOW not then.

And as far as the slavery issues come. It has never been reconciled. You cant chain a man up and then set him free and expect him to compete... but if you prefer to lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of forebearers rather than acknowledge the devestating social economic and psychological impact it has had our black brethren, then you should stick your thumb up your arse farther.

Remember, it is not the statements that are made, it is the state of affairs.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

You do not understand what oppression is when you are poor and black. It has nothing to do with being condescending. The travesty hear is dismissing my statement as a broad generalization of poor communities. There are good people in the ghetto, no doubt about it, but religion in many circumstances, has a medicating effect and nurtures complacency, good and bad. As does alcohol and drugs, good people and bad. There is a liquor for every traffic light on every corner in South Washington DC. I have seen it with my own eyes.

Tell me why unemployment in the poor black communities of southside of chicago is upwards of 50 percent... what else are people to do when there are no jobs. There are more drug dealers than are street corners which may explain 300+ caskets a year in North Philadelphia. I think your more out of touch than I am. Moving a couple of eightballs a weekend consistently is the equivalent of 30,000 dollars a year. Sounds better than the GAP, oh..but thats right, corporate lay offs and outsourcing our the new business models.

Well maybe you are not out of touch, it may very well be that you understand, but the tone of your response is at the very least an apathetic point of view. So I am to assume you dont care, neither does the government. Sure there are good people in ghetto, but is it fair for them to work hard for nothing. For their children to turn to crime and drugs because of widespread public school failures. I can give lists of examples of how blacks, by and large, were kept out of the american dream. And Im talking NOW not then.

And as far as the slavery issues come. It has never been reconciled. You cant chain a man up and then set him free and expect him to compete... but if you prefer to lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of forebearers rather than acknowledge the devestating social economic and psychological impact it has had our black brethren, then you should stick your thumb up your arse farther.

Remember, it is not the statements that are made, it is the state of affairs.

here we get to the root of it all. These problems exist becasue of opprsssion or because people (regardless of color) dont get off their arses and get to work. Do you know why there are large african american populations in Oakland CA, Coastal Texas and Louisianna? becasue in WWII, thats where the jobs were. They moved to where the could work and support their family. I'd love to move to a warmer climate, but I cannot support my level of living at the salaries offered in other parts of the country...its a choice, so I live in the Northeast. I dont believe ANYONE is oppressed in this country. Hard work and creativity are always rewarded and there are always jobs for those willing to work. ES44 - you give in to the "victimization" that pluages black America, its a blame game and it hurts more than it helps. Look at the history of asian americans, although not 1000X as bad as slavery, many were brought to this country as near-slaves to build the railroads. but through hard work and tenacity, this culture has become a key contributing componenet to America today. There is no need for an Asian Al Sharpton. As much as African AMericans have truly suffered in this country, its time to move on and accept resposbility for our actions, liquour stores, drugs, proverty are all symptoms of a need, stop the need, stop the symptms. Have you every heard Bill Cosby's take? He puts the accountability at the family level. Thats where the solution is

[scottw]

I can't believe how easy it is for a knuckle dragging nanderthal to tweak Enlightened Elitists, I have a great idea for a new thread.....

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

here we get to the root of it all. These problems exist becasue of opprsssion or because people (regardless of color) dont get off their arses and get to work. Do you know why there are large african american populations in Oakland CA, Coastal Texas and Louisianna? becasue in WWII, thats where the jobs were. They moved to where the could work and support their family. I'd love to move to a warmer climate, but I cannot support my level of living at the salaries offered in other parts of the country...its a choice, so I live in the Northeast. I dont believe ANYONE is oppressed in this country. Hard work and creativity are always rewarded and there are always jobs for those willing to work. ES44 - you give in to the "victimization" that pluages black America, its a blame game and it hurts more than it helps. Look at the history of asian americans, although not 1000X as bad as slavery, many were brought to this country as near-slaves to build the railroads. but through hard work and tenacity, this culture has become a key contributing componenet to America today. There is no need for an Asian Al Sharpton. As much as African AMericans have truly suffered in this country, its time to move on and accept resposbility for our actions, liquour stores, drugs, proverty are all symptoms of a need, stop the need, stop the symptms. Have you every heard Bill Cosby's take? He puts the accountability at the family level. Thats where the solution is

No, there are large populations of blacks in coastal louisiana because the French planters brought them there. Not to mention when New Orleans became a part of the US it was a port of entry for wholesale human cargo, as was Charleston SC and Savannah GA. Pick up your history book. Same goes for Texas my friend. Blacks didnt move to major cities (like Oakland, Philly, Baltimore) until WW1 and later WW2. Ask your parents, thats probably when they moved to Levittown from Bed-Stuy.

And as far as achievement gaps come, they have made unbelievable strides. There has never been an Asian candidate for president. It is just a shame that this Wright is trashing that any hopes for 1st black president who is credible and qualified. Not to mention there are large populations of middle class blacks in Atlanta and Chicago.

And unarmed asians arent gunned down by police (be they black cops or white cops), and Al Sharpton is a parody if you ask me. MLK, Malcolm X, DuBois... those are real black leaders, all exterminated or exhiled....