The stimulus is working!

[RIJIMMY]

Job market takes turn for worse
The battered U.S. labor market took a step back last month as employers trimmed more jobs from their payrolls, according to a new report today. There was a net loss of 467,000 jobs in June. This was the first time in four months that the number of jobs lost rose from the previous month, CNNMoney reports. full story


Imagine how many REALLY would would have been lost if we didnt pass the super emergency stimulus!!

[Nebe]

a lot more...

[PaulS]

Wish is was lower but at least its not 741,000 like in Jan.

[striperman36]

I have friends out of work in there field of expertise for 16 months. Their COBRA ends in 60 days. They're baggin at Wal-Mart for burgers.
I also have friends that have lost their positions over the last 60 days due to offshoring restructuring.
I don't see it getting better, no matter how or who is spending the money

[fishsmith]

Keep Hoping, and save some money for your kids, cause they're f***ed.

How
Our
President
Is (killing)
Next
Generations

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Job market takes turn for worse
The battered U.S. labor market took a step back last month as employers trimmed more jobs from their payrolls, according to a new report today. There was a net loss of 467,000 jobs in June. This was the first time in four months that the number of jobs lost rose from the previous month, CNNMoney reports. full story


Imagine how many REALLY would would have been lost if we didnt pass the super emergency stimulus!!

Obama, Gibbs and Spence would say...."actually, the numbers are promising and trending in the right direction, the experts had predicted in excess of 700,000 lost jobs so we effectively "CREATED or SAVED" nearly 300,000 jobs last month, the stimulus is working and Obama is a huge success"

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

Obama, Gibbs and Spence would say...."actually, the numbers are promising and trending in the right direction, the experts had predicted in excess of 700,000 lost jobs so we effectively "CREATED or SAVED" nearly 300,000 jobs last month, the stimulus is working and Obama is a huge success"

No, they'd probably say:

"From the beginning of this, jobs have been expected to be the last thing to start on the upswing. Everyone has consistently said that the jobs situation will get worse and probably won't start improving until late-2009."

But hey, it's the largest economy in the world. Bush took 8 years to royally eff it up. Why can't it be fixed overnight?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

No, they'd probably say:

"From the beginning of this, jobs have been expected to be the last thing to start on the upswing. Everyone has consistently said that the jobs situation will get worse and probably won't start improving until late-2009."

But hey, it's the largest economy in the world. Bush took 8 years to royally eff it up. Why can't it be fixed overnight?

Well, Johhny. If they were to say that, the'd be lying. The Administration has already claimed to have created 150,000 jobs as a direct result of the stimulus. Yet, even the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics can't confirm that.

In fact, the only industry that has had significant growth in job #'s since the stimulus package is the goverment (i.e patronage jobs for friends of the administration).

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

No, they'd probably say:


But hey, it's the largest economy in the world. Bush took 8 years to royally eff it up. Why can't it be fixed overnight?

The ROOT CAUSE of what we are experiencing today is a direct result of Clinton policies, it takes that long for the economic cycles to develop. Just as people don't realize the posperity we enjoyed durign the Clinton years were a result of what Regan put in place so many years sooner. Imagine if we were still making all the stuff that went offshore as a result of China Free Trade Agreement (clinton) and moved south because of NAFTA (clinton).

I am an O-BOT, it is all Bushes fault...........

[RIJIMMY]

WASHINGTON – With joblessness rising, President Barack Obama said Thursday he was "deeply concerned" about unemployment and conceded that too many families are worried about "whether they will be next" to suffer economically.

In a White House interview with The Associated Press, Obama said that since he took office, "we have successfully stabilized the financial markets," and "started to see some stabilization on housing."

WE have stabilized the markets???? Huh? all you did was cause panic and concern, telling everyone it was a catasrophe waiting to happen! This guy just bets that most people are morons and have no memory.....so far he is right.

[justplugit]

What happened to all the shovel ready jobs Obama promised us back in January.

My son in-law, union electrician, is out of work for the first time since he started 15 years ago.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

What happened to all the shovel ready jobs Obama promised us back in January.

My son in-law, union electrician, is out of work for the first time since he started 15 years ago.

I know of a lot of union people out of work, where non-union folks are keeping their jobs. The non-union companies seem to be able to stay more competitive, not being restricted by union contracts.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I know of a lot of union people out of work, where non-union folks are keeping their jobs. The non-union companies seem to be able to stay more competitive, not being restricted by union contracts.

I understand JD, but the company he works for is the largest in the state,
and they have no work after just finishing their last job, hence the remark about shovel ready jobs.

[Fly Rod]

Yup! Sure looks like the Stimulus is working with 467,000 more jobs lost last month. Economist were off by as much as 100,000, they predicted 363,000, that brings about 14.7 million people out of work.

Those that are working should start following in a squrriels foot steps as they are already stocking up for hard times down the road. We should be doing the same thing, instead of acorns we should be purchasing extra dry goods and can food. Some will not heed this warning. You don't have to panic and panic buy things, just buy a little extra every week.

If you do not need the extra after the DEPRESSION sets in give it to a food bank, or better yet to a family member in need.

[RIROCKHOUND]

I would be Gore by the way..

and it isn't buying in...
it is about reading the SCIENCE and educating yourself, instead of believing we have no impact on the planet...

but I don't want to hijack...

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

and it isn't buying in...
it is about reading the SCIENCE and educating yourself, instead of believing we have no impact on the planet...

Rush Limbaugh has taught us that MAN can not destroy the planet because it was made by GOD.


What don't you get?

-spence

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

Rush Limbaugh has taught us that MAN can not destroy the planet because it was made by GOD.


What don't you get?

-spence

That comment made by Rush is silly, Man can mess it up if we tried (nukes work well). The part I think is ridiculous is how CO2 is the main pollutant they seem to be concentrating on. Al Gore and "cow farts"! Cow farts help plants and trees grow, they do not add to global warming! Carbon monoxide from cars do contribute but without CO2 life would not exist. CO2 emissions have increased significantly over the past 10 years while global temps have leveled off and actually went down. I am a strong believer that solar activity is the main factor behind this. It is natural climate shifting, it has happened many times before. We are starting a period of global cooling not warming. We should be good stewards of our environment, but handcuffing our industry, we empower China and give them that much more control of our economy. Tax them enough for their emissions and they will leave.

As for the Stimulus, less than 10% of the stimulus has been spent! Most of it wont be seen until 2011-2012. Unemployment is through the roof and average hours worked per worker is 32hrs. That means many people are either forced to work part time or forced furlough days. We are far from the bottom of this and the Stimulus is a total waste of time and money!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Cow farts help plants and trees grow, they do not add to global warming!

Cow farts contain a lot of methane which is a significant greenhouse gas. I've read some studies where they estimate 15-20% of greenhouse gases are from livestock alone.

As for helping plants grow, anything can kill you in the right quantities. Remember as well that as emissions rise there's incredible deforestation going on globally.

Carbon monoxide from cars do contribute but without CO2 life would not exist. CO2 emissions have increased significantly over the past 10 years while global temps have leveled off and actually went down. I am a strong believer that solar activity is the main factor behind this. It is natural climate shifting, it has happened many times before. We are starting a period of global cooling not warming.

This has been discussed here before, but a look at the last few years doesn't show the trend that's causing concern. Yes, it does look like we're in a period of global cooling, but it's a short 10 year cycle. If it follows the pattern of the past century we'll see a very sharp temperature rise at the end of the cycle that will set new average records.

We should be good stewards of our environment, but handcuffing our industry, we empower China and give them that much more control of our economy. Tax them enough for their emissions and they will leave.

Which is exactly why many have been looking for a global solution that treats everybody equally. Also, you can't have it both ways. Being a good steward doesn't mean you ignore what is still considered pretty compelling evidence that man is influencing climate change.

As for the Stimulus, less than 10% of the stimulus has been spent! Most of it wont be seen until 2011-2012. Unemployment is through the roof and average hours worked per worker is 32hrs. That means many people are either forced to work part time or forced furlough days. We are far from the bottom of this and the Stimulus is a total waste of time and money!

I would think that if you don't like the bill you'd be happy that we're not going to spend the bulk of the money up front. Perhaps it can be allocated towards better uses, or better yet, not spent at all.

-spence

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

I would think that if you don't like the bill you'd be happy that we're not going to spend the bulk of the money up front. Perhaps it can be allocated towards better uses, or better yet, not spent at all.

-spence

I Strongly believe that it is set this way on purpose, so the bulk will be spent during the 2 years prior to the next presidential election, so the masses will see the effect then and it will be in their minds when it comes time to vote.

It was such a big emergency to get it passed so quickly, and then we spend a tiny percentage of it now? It was set up this way for political reasons, not economical reasons.

Also, a lot of politicians that helped Obama, got a lot of their pet projects into that bill. kind of like a "thank you present".

Not Spent At All? Once the government has it, it may not be spent on its intended purpose, but IT WILL BE SPENT! No freaking chance in hell it will come back to the taxpayers!

[RIROCKHOUND]

We can't?
We sure as %$%$%$%$ can over fish and pollute, right? We just can't warm the planet by changing the atmosphere... seems kind of contradictory to me there Spencay-atollah

[RIROCKHOUND]

OK.
Remember, SCIENCE not opinion or press articles, but science..

[RIROCKHOUND]

Nice schoolies Scott.

Man-made climate change instead of global warming is the more scientific term, because it doesn't warm everywhere.
And yes, it changes all the time, but it boils down to the rate and amounts of change we are seeing in a relatively short time, that isn't seen in the historical, or geological past.

Remember, weather patterns and climate are two vastly different things.
This summer has been screwed up by a pervasive shift in the jet stream that has been pumping low pressure systems at us non-stop.

I just find it completely illogical how people can think we have zero impact on the earths climate.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I just find it completely illogical how people can think we have zero impact on the earths climate.

noone is saying this Rock, Australia has figured it out, much of Europe is figuring it out, China and India just gave the middle finger...this is "Cap and Screw"...cap capitalism and screw the populus..nothing to do with the environment but a global assault on capitalism and it's fine because while these people can certainly lie and decieve they can't control the weather no matter how much they tax the crap out of people...yet another overreach and nature will not cooperate with the doomsday propoganda , and Al Gore is a compulsive liar and a remarkable hypocrite

[scottw]

[QUOTE=RIROCKHOUND;699146]

This summer has been screwed up by a pervasive shift in the jet stream that has been pumping low pressure systems at us non-stop.

Australia too? just call it "climate change" instead of "global warming" blame humans and commence massive taxation because that always solves everything

Minus 13 degrees - the coldest it's been in April
Brett Dutschke, Wednesday April 29, 2009 - 14:58 EST
A new Australian record was set early this morning, a temperature of minus 13 degrees, at Charlotte Pass on the Snowy Mountains.

This is the lowest temperature recorded anywhere in Australia in April and is 13 below the average. Nearby at Perisher it dipped to minus 11 degrees and at the top of Thredbo it dipped to minus 10.

Across the border, on the Victorian Alps April records were broken at Mt Hotham where it chilled to minus eight degrees and Mt Buller and Falls Creek where it got as low as minus seven.

A few other locations set April low temperature records also. In Tasmania Lake Leake was as cold as minus six, Sheffield and Dover both reached minus one and Flinders island got to zero. Hobart had its coldest April night in 46 years, recording a low of 1.7 degrees, seven below average.

[spence]

Global climate change is a fraud because it was cold in Australia.

Yea Bryan, he's really got you there

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by spence

Global climate change is a fraud because it was cold in Australia.

Yea Bryan, he's really got you there

-spence

It goes right in line with my opinion of how the average American follows any news item.

They perceive what is happening right this moment, and that observation is fact. Have an unseasonably cool month in June - there's no way Global Warming exists. Longer than typical Indian Summer in February - Global Warming is going to murder our children tomorrow.

The average person doesn't have the capability to look at trends - here-and-now emotional responses are all many are capable of.

Perfect example is the direct corollary some people use when comparing what the stock market has done *today* and how the economy is doing. Market goes up, and the economy is improving. Next day the Market goes down, and we're headed for a depression.

There's very little critical thinking, just single observations then comments.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Global climate change is a fraud because it was cold in Australia.

Yea Bryan, he's really got you there

-spence

as usual Spence, you completely invent a fraudulent statement, where is your integrity? "Global Climate Change" is occuring all of the time(this may be alien to you) it began changing as soon as the atmosphere was formed and will continue until a wayward meteor destroys the planet unless we do it first.....the POINT is that 1998 was deemed the hottest year ever and has been followed by year after year where the "culprits" of supposed global warming have increased every year in the atmosphere and the planet has cooled????...I cited Australia to show that not only here but across the planet(even on the other side) RECORD cold temps for extended periods are constantly being recorded ...this cannot possibly be occuring if "THE PLANET HAS A FEVER" that began ten years ago when the planet was the hottest that it has ever been and it was "only going to get worse" ...NOT...it's that simple, you can throw out all of your gobligook but you cannot explain this fact....you are perpetuating the greatest SCAM in the planet's history...SHAME ON YOU!

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

[COLOR="Blue"]as usual Spence, you completely invent a fraudulent statement, where is your integrity

fraud (frôd) n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3.
a. One that defrauds; a cheat.
b. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.

How exactly?

Anyone can find specific locations where temperatures have been statistically low for a period of time. It doesn't change the fact that the Average Global Temperature is up.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

as usual Spence, you completely invent a fraudulent statement, where is your integrity? "Global Climate Change" is occuring all of the time(this may be alien to you) it began changing as soon as the atmosphere was formed and will continue until a wayward meteor destroys the planet unless we do it first.....the POINT is that 1998 was deemed the hottest year ever and has been followed by year after year where the "culprits" of supposed global warming have increased every year in the atmosphere and the planet has cooled????...

You sure got me Dr. Science. I guess the fact that 2008 saw one of the warmest months on record and that the yearly averages look like this:



Seem to support your sceintific theory that the Earth is indeed entering a dramatic period of cooling contrary to increasing output of greenhouse gasses.

I'm guessing you either stopped your education at the 8th grade, or really didn't pay attention in high school statistics.

I cited Australia to show that not only here but across the planet(even on the other side) RECORD cold temps for extended periods are constantly being recorded

...this cannot possibly be occuring if "THE PLANET HAS A FEVER" that began ten years ago when the planet was the hottest that it has ever been and it was "only going to get worse" ...NOT...it's that simple, you can throw out all of your gobligook but you cannot explain this fact....you are perpetuating the greatest SCAM in the planet's history...SHAME ON YOU!

Only an idiot would measure climate change with a 10 year sample, or perhaps someone out to ignore science and make a political point.

RIROCKHOUND sure called that one.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

uhhh stimulus, budgets, waste............lets try to stay on topic here boys. Damn scientist always going off on tangents...... anyone hear that there are no bunker around????????