Minneapolis teachers contract says white teachers get fired first

[Jim in CT]

This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.

Constitution, shmonstitution.

We are becoming too stupid to live.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seniority.html

[Pete F.]

Poor victim

Tucker said you're going to be replaced, didn't he?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poor victim

Tucker said you're going to be replaced, didn't he?

how about telling us how it’s not a violation of the civil rights act, which is a federal law that explicitly prohibits employment discrimination based in race.

the victims are the kids, who get stuck with teachers whose qualification is skin color.

have you ever gotten one right?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

how about telling us how it’s not a violation of the civil rights act, which is a federal law that explicitly prohibits employment discrimination based in race.

the victims are the kids, who get stuck with teachers whose qualification is skin color.

have you ever gotten one right?
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You assume black teachers have no seniority and black teachers they will somehow take over theses schools

section states that if a nonwhite teacher is subject to excess, the district must instead excess a white teacher with the “next least” seniority

So basically if there are 150 white teachers And 4 black teachers and the need to lay 4 people off and 3 blacks have more seniority then the bottom 3 white and 1 black the black women keeps her job

Doesn’t sound that earth shattering

And please don’t make it sound as if you care about fairness all of a sudden

Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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[scottw]

the leftists are really in their glory when they can get on a good "you must be a racist" rant.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

the leftists are really in their glory when they can get on a good "you must be a racist" rant.....

yup. it’s racist if i say skin color should not be considered.

it’s not racist to say that skin color is literally the only thing that matters.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that

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and you subscribe to and monitor all of them no doubt...tell us what they are saying in the comments... OK?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You assume black teachers have no seniority and black teachers they will somehow take over theses schools

section states that if a nonwhite teacher is subject to excess, the district must instead excess a white teacher with the “next least” seniority

So basically if there are 150 white teachers And 4 black teachers and the need to lay 4 people off and 3 blacks have more seniority then the bottom 3 white and 1 black the black women keeps her job

Doesn’t sound that earth shattering

And please don’t make it sound as if you care about fairness all of a sudden

Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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so instead of reading what i posted, you made stupid and wildly incorrect assumptions

The contract specifies that you group teachers by seniority, and fire the white ones first.

What if a white teacher happens to be the best teacher? Is that not possible?

anyway, you did what all of you do, you ignored what i said, and responded ( stupidly) to something i never came close to saying.

here’s a crazy idea…let’s judge people by what they do ( which we can all control) and leave color ( which we have no control over and therefore says absolutely nothing about us) out of it.

why not fire the tall teachers? or the blonde teachers?

do you ot see how stupid this is? just because it came from the left, you can’t criticize it. never.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so instead of reading what i posted, you made stupid and wildly incorrect assumptions

The contract specifies that you group teachers by seniority, and fire the white ones first.

What if a white teacher happens to be the best teacher? Is that not possible?

anyway, you did what all of you do, you ignored what i said, and responded ( stupidly) to something i never came close to saying.

here’s a crazy idea…let’s judge people by what they do ( which we can all control) and leave color ( which we have no control over and therefore says absolutely nothing about us) out of it.

why not fire the tall teachers? or the blonde teachers?

do you ot see how stupid this is? just because it came from the left, you can’t criticize it. never.
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You made stuff in your 1st sentence

This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.

Hence you have an integrity problem

2nd the contract was passed by the teachers themselves and

The policy doesn’t mention race, which better positions the district and union, experts say.

3rd it’s called a condition of employment

In my union we approved a contract that if you were seen smoking or using tobacco products you could be terminated

Of course those who got fired tried to say if violated their Rights.

The Courts said you willing negotiated that Right away for a raise

Same thing happened with detailed doctors notes people cried hippa

Courts sorry you negotiated that privacy away

This is no different just faux white outraged . Trying to claim it’s going to throw white better teachers out the door over black teachers who can’t possibly possess the same skills .. tell me I am wrong

Jim even under the old rules seniority would supersede the best teacher if they had no seniority

Didn’t see the Right complaining about that
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[scottw]

I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We are becoming too stupid to live.

Well, it was a good run

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, it was a good run

it was, it was a pretty good run. Time to give another species a shot.
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[wdmso]

Jim doesn’t understand the Teachers voted for the contract.. so there’s no discrimination it’s a condition of employment….

And of course Jim lies talking about people getting fired

White teachers would be laid off first

That’s not fired

And when’s the last time you heard of teachers getting laid off

Another spoon feed outrage from the far right echo chamber
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[Pete F.]

Soon, you’ll be replaced

They’re coming for your boat too…..

It’s white, isn’t it?
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[wdmso]

No, you said that. Scott mentioned a mailer from the teachers union asking people to vote for democrats, and you said thats what PACs do.

A he stated they told members how to vote And the candidates were recommended from the PAC committee

It’s on their web site under News


More General Assembly Endorsements

(August 12, 2022) - The National Education Association Rhode Island Political Action Committee for Education (NEARI-PACE) today announced more candidate endorsements for General Assembly primaries in 2022, rounding out their full slate for the primary. These candidates have demonstrated an alignment with NEARI ideals and will work toward policies to support public education and protect Rhode Island workers. We look forward to activating our 12,000 members and their families in support of these candidates.
The Rhode Island Primary is September 13. Vote by mail, early in-person at your City or Town Hall, or on Primary Election Day


I should have done better research , Guess what their not even a union …. But an association and They are set up like the NRA https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/. So clearly someone misrepresented the flyer
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No, you said that. Scott mentioned a mailer from the teachers union asking people to vote for democrats, and you said thats what PACs do.

A he stated they told members how to vote And the candidates were recommended from the PAC committee

It’s on their web site under News


More General Assembly Endorsements

(August 12, 2022) - The National Education Association Rhode Island Political Action Committee for Education (NEARI-PACE) today announced more candidate endorsements for General Assembly primaries in 2022, rounding out their full slate for the primary. These candidates have demonstrated an alignment with NEARI ideals and will work toward policies to support public education and protect Rhode Island workers. We look forward to activating our 12,000 members and their families in support of these candidates.
The Rhode Island Primary is September 13. Vote by mail, early in-person at your City or Town Hall, or on Primary Election Day


I should have done better research , Guess what their not even a union …. But an association and They are set up like the NRA https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/. So clearly someone misrepresented the flyer
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you have lost your mind...

[Jim in CT]

wayne, why isn’t it better for children, if we keep the most talented teachers, regardless of skin color?
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[wdmso]

Jim every state runs a debt the nation runs a debt. These are not household and can’t be run as such they need legacy investment looking out many years and generations ahead ….

Attached are the states who have retirements work workers . Many Red And the employees pay their % it’s the state who do not moving money around at the risk of those retirees or they get badly invested

And the Republicans only weaken the middle class by their decades of anti union rhetoric Why the Republican Party Wants to Destroy Labor Unions. The GOP sees unions and their supporters as enemies to be politically and economically destroyed. (But most Americans don’t agree see other attachments)


The right sees unions as a mainstay of the left, a crucial source of cash, campaign manpower and votes.

Yep Jim that’s why Republicans hate unions because Because of the way those in unions tend to vote . They don’t care about the worker their family it’s just that simple and sinister and you’ve bought into the same rational

At a campaign event someone had been attacking both the state teachers union and public employee pension funds.. and

This guy stood up and said ‘My father is a cop, my brother is a cop. They have pensions, I don’t, and it really pisses me off,’ ” Rosenthal recounted. “Damn it, this guy was talking about his father and brother. He was pissed that his own father and brother had pensions.”

It’s sounds like something you would think ?

The comment reflects the success of the Republican strategy of pitting those who see themselves as taxpayers against public sector unions, viewed by many as takers.

Sounds very close to your view on things random? Nope

[Jim in CT]

Wayne, can you answer my question on why it's better for students to be taught by non-white teachers, than to be taught by the best teachers regardless of color? You seem to be going to great lengths to avoid answering that.

As to your debt data, yes all states have debt. Not all have the same debt, not even close...

Here is data from September 2021, ranking states by unfunded debt per capita (per citizen). The 6 states with the highest unfunded debt per capita?

NY
CT
Mass
IL
Alaska
CA

Other than Alaska, what do the rest of those states have in common, in terms of politics?



https://www.governing.com/finance/st...ebt-per-capita

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Other than Alaska, what do the rest of those states have in common, in terms of politics?

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The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

What you always leave out, is that the fed (until Trump stopped it), gave residents of high-tax blue states a big federal tax deduction, not available to residents of low-tax red states. I'm referring to what used to be an un-capped deduction for state and local taxes, which is a big federal income tax break for residents of high tax blue states, paid for by people in low tax red states.

Paul, my brother retired after 37 years in education in June. For most of his career, he put 6% of his salary towards his pension, which will pay him 75% of the average of his 3 highest annual salaries, starting at age 59.

That math is a joke.

Compare to social security, where between me and my employer, I contribute 14% of my salary to the plan, and for my age, I'm not eligible until I'm 67, which would be 45 years of service, and I won't get ANYWHERE near 75% of the average of my 3 highest salaries.

I contribute twice as much to SS as he did to his pension, for 8 years longer, to get about one-third of the annual payment that he gets.

The math is stupid. And that's why we are where we are. When you spend more than there is, you get into serious trouble.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What you always leave outdon't know what that has to do with your posting a link to an article about state debt?, is that the fed (until Trump stopped it), gave residents of high-tax blue states a big federal tax deduction, not available to residents of low-tax red states. I'm referring to what used to be an un-capped deduction for state and local taxes, which is a big federal income tax break for residents of high tax blue states, paid for by people in low tax red states.
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So maybe the states that lag behind in almost every health and welfare category need to start taxing their residents more so they have the funds to help the less fortunate in those states. The SALT deduction would have been available to any state that had an income tax. Instead those states choose not to have an income tax and as a result they don't have the funds to provide clean water and sewers for some of their residents. But the rich in those states do ok.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So maybe the states that lag behind in almost every health and welfare category need to start taxing their residents more so they have the funds to help the less fortunate in those states. The SALT deduction would have been available to any state that had an income tax. Instead those states choose not to have an income tax and as a result they don't have the funds to provide clean water and sewers for some of their residents. But the rich in those states do ok.

"don't know what that has to do with your posting a link to an article about state debt"

It has to do with YOUR statement that debt is driven by imbalance of federal spending. The fact that people in high-tax blue states have always had (and still do have, it's just capped) a huge federal tax break that people in low-tax red states don't get, that fact offsets some of the imbalance you always point to. Also, CT has way more rich people than MS, so wouldn't you expect the federal government to spend more on MS?

"But the rich in those states do ok"

Paul, If the rich states did OK in a broad sense, people would be moving there, instead of moving away. But they aren't, not in the numbers that they're moving to certain places within certain red states. People aren't moving to $600,000 houses in the Nashville suburbs in insane numbers because they expect to drink contaminated water.

Middle class people can move to certain places within certain red states, and not be without ANYTHING that they get in CT, but they pay a whole lot less. You can't make that wrong.

If you're in the top 5% or someone interested in living off welfare, CT is meaningfully better than the red states. For everyone else, the value proposition is better in the booming suburbs of certain red states.

I asked you what services I get in CT that I wouldn't get in a nice suburb in NH, and I believe you said nothing. That's the correct answer.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

I am curious to know your opinion on a teacher contract that mandates that skin color be the determining factor in deciding which teachers get fired.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I am curious to know your opinion on a teacher contract that mandates that skin color be the determining factor in deciding which teachers get fired.

did anybody answer this question yet?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

did anybody answer this question yet?

Are you shooting for Jim’s badge, or has he deputized you in his battle for his vision of the American way?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

did anybody answer this question yet?

No (unless calling me names counts as answering). And it's the key question on this issue, all that matters really. So I will re-ask.

Wayne, Pete, Paul, can any of you tell us why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?

Cue the chirping crickets...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

did anybody answer this question yet?

Yea the contract doesn’t mention race any where in it

And no where in the same contract does it address Jim’s imaginary scenario . See Below

why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?

it’s specific to lay offs only and seniority if they wanted a performance based system the could have voted on it . But they didn’t

Please who define most talented. The parents? once again you sound as if all teachers are equal.

So which teachers. Gym English or math or Special Ed k1 teachers or high school Male teachers or female Gay who’s better?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

still beating that tired drum?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

still beating that tired drum?

Still snarky as ever