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08-16-2022, 08:29 AM
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Minneapolis teachers contract says white teachers get fired first
This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.
Constitution, shmonstitution.
We are becoming too stupid to live.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seniority.html
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08-16-2022, 08:43 AM
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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08-16-2022, 08:44 AM
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We are becoming too stupid to live.
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Well, it was a good run
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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08-16-2022, 08:54 AM
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Well, it was a good run
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it was, it was a pretty good run. Time to give another species a shot.
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08-16-2022, 08:57 AM
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how about telling us how it’s not a violation of the civil rights act, which is a federal law that explicitly prohibits employment discrimination based in race.
the victims are the kids, who get stuck with teachers whose qualification is skin color.
have you ever gotten one right?
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08-16-2022, 09:37 AM
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Jim doesn’t understand the Teachers voted for the contract.. so there’s no discrimination it’s a condition of employment….
And of course Jim lies talking about people getting fired
White teachers would be laid off first
That’s not fired
And when’s the last time you heard of teachers getting laid off
Another spoon feed outrage from the far right echo chamber
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08-16-2022, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
how about telling us how it’s not a violation of the civil rights act, which is a federal law that explicitly prohibits employment discrimination based in race.
the victims are the kids, who get stuck with teachers whose qualification is skin color.
have you ever gotten one right?
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You assume black teachers have no seniority and black teachers they will somehow take over theses schools
section states that if a nonwhite teacher is subject to excess, the district must instead excess a white teacher with the “next least” seniority
So basically if there are 150 white teachers And 4 black teachers and the need to lay 4 people off and 3 blacks have more seniority then the bottom 3 white and 1 black the black women keeps her job
Doesn’t sound that earth shattering
And please don’t make it sound as if you care about fairness all of a sudden
Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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08-16-2022, 10:01 AM
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the leftists are really in their glory when they can get on a good "you must be a racist" rant.....
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08-16-2022, 10:02 AM
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Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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and you subscribe to and monitor all of them no doubt...tell us what they are saying in the comments... OK?
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08-16-2022, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
You assume black teachers have no seniority and black teachers they will somehow take over theses schools
section states that if a nonwhite teacher is subject to excess, the district must instead excess a white teacher with the “next least” seniority
So basically if there are 150 white teachers And 4 black teachers and the need to lay 4 people off and 3 blacks have more seniority then the bottom 3 white and 1 black the black women keeps her job
Doesn’t sound that earth shattering
And please don’t make it sound as if you care about fairness all of a sudden
Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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so instead of reading what i posted, you made stupid and wildly incorrect assumptions
The contract specifies that you group teachers by seniority, and fire the white ones first.
What if a white teacher happens to be the best teacher? Is that not possible?
anyway, you did what all of you do, you ignored what i said, and responded ( stupidly) to something i never came close to saying.
here’s a crazy idea…let’s judge people by what they do ( which we can all control) and leave color ( which we have no control over and therefore says absolutely nothing about us) out of it.
why not fire the tall teachers? or the blonde teachers?
do you ot see how stupid this is? just because it came from the left, you can’t criticize it. never.
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08-16-2022, 10:06 AM
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the leftists are really in their glory when they can get on a good "you must be a racist" rant.....
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yup. it’s racist if i say skin color should not be considered.
it’s not racist to say that skin color is literally the only thing that matters.
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08-16-2022, 10:23 AM
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Soon, you’ll be replaced
They’re coming for your boat too…..
It’s white, isn’t it?
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08-16-2022, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
so instead of reading what i posted, you made stupid and wildly incorrect assumptions
The contract specifies that you group teachers by seniority, and fire the white ones first.
What if a white teacher happens to be the best teacher? Is that not possible?
anyway, you did what all of you do, you ignored what i said, and responded ( stupidly) to something i never came close to saying.
here’s a crazy idea…let’s judge people by what they do ( which we can all control) and leave color ( which we have no control over and therefore says absolutely nothing about us) out of it.
why not fire the tall teachers? or the blonde teachers?
do you ot see how stupid this is? just because it came from the left, you can’t criticize it. never.
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You made stuff in your 1st sentence
This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.
Hence you have an integrity problem
2nd the contract was passed by the teachers themselves and
The policy doesn’t mention race, which better positions the district and union, experts say.
3rd it’s called a condition of employment
In my union we approved a contract that if you were seen smoking or using tobacco products you could be terminated
Of course those who got fired tried to say if violated their Rights.
The Courts said you willing negotiated that Right away for a raise
Same thing happened with detailed doctors notes people cried hippa
Courts sorry you negotiated that privacy away
This is no different just faux white outraged . Trying to claim it’s going to throw white better teachers out the door over black teachers who can’t possibly possess the same skills .. tell me I am wrong
Jim even under the old rules seniority would supersede the best teacher if they had no seniority
Didn’t see the Right complaining about that
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08-16-2022, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
You made stuff in your 1st sentence
This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.
Hence you have an integrity problem
2nd the contract was passed by the teachers themselves
3rd it’s called a condition of employment
In my union we approved a contract that if you were seen smoking or using tobacco products you could be terminated
Of course those who got fired tried to say if violated their Rights.
The Courts said you willing negotiated that Right away for a raise
Same thing happened with detailed doctors notes people cried hippa
Courts sorry you negotiated that privacy away
This is no different just faux white outraged . Trying to claim it’s going to throw white better teachers out the door over black teachers who can’t possibly possess the same skills .. tell me I am wrong
Jim even under the old rules seniority would supersede the best teacher if they had no seniority
Didn’t see the Right complaining about that
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make it really really simple.
you have kids in a school. the school has to lay off a teacher. Would you rather (a) they fire the worst, laziest, least-skilled teacher, or (b) automatically fire the least senior white teacher, even if thatbhaooems to be a terrific teacher?
Have fun answering that.
everybody knows who the worst teachers are. How is it not best for the kids, to get rid of them first?
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08-16-2022, 11:29 AM
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I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections
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08-16-2022, 11:46 AM
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I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections
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and then once elected, hide democrats are beholden to those teachers and reward them with raises and benefits which dwarf what’s available to those who work in the private sector. That’s not corrupt.
here i’m CT, for ten years, the speaker of the state house of representatives was a liberal
democrat. Legislature is a part time job in CT, they all have full
time jobs. His full time job? He was a rep for the largest state employee union! He worked for the state employee union. So as a state rep, it was his job to vote on the size of his paycheck at his full
time job. No conflict of interest there!
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08-16-2022, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
make it really really simple.
you have kids in a school. the school has to lay off a teacher. Would you rather (a) they fire the worst, laziest, least-skilled teacher, or (b) automatically fire the least senior white teacher, even if thatbhaooems to be a terrific teacher?
Have fun answering that.
everybody knows who the worst teachers are. How is it not best for the kids, to get rid of them first?
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to funny your article has nothing to do with (a) they fire the worst, laziest, or keeping least-skilled teacher it's still all about seniority until it gets to the bottom of the list
but keep injecting something that doesn't apply
the way its written A white teacher would have the same protections if the majority of teachers we Black .. but again if the contract stated Race which it does not
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08-16-2022, 02:24 PM
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I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections
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what you don't know how a political action committee works ?
In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a 527 organization, that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.
they cant and dont use union funds to promote campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.
But again Scott don't let the facts get in your way
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08-16-2022, 02:48 PM
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to funny your article has nothing to do with (a) they fire the worst, laziest, or keeping least-skilled teacher it's still all about seniority until it gets to the bottom of the list
but keep injecting something that doesn't apply
the way its written A white teacher would have the same protections if the majority of teachers we Black .. but again if the contract stated Race which it does not
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right. the article
doesn’t mention firing the worst teacher, because per the contract, they must fore the white teacher.
I don’t think you understand what’s happening. i’ll
see if i can put it into a pop-up book for you.
it’s not all about seniority. it’s about seniority and race
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08-16-2022, 02:55 PM
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what you don't know how a political action committee works ?
In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a 527 organization, that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.
they cant and dont use union funds to promote campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.
But again Scott don't let the facts get in your way
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I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections
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08-16-2022, 02:59 PM
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I don’t think you understand what’s happening. i’ll
see if i can put it into a pop-up book for you.
i
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he's wound pretty tight.....
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08-16-2022, 07:01 PM
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what you don't know how a political action committee works ?
In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a 527 organization, that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.
they cant and dont use union funds to promote campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.
But again Scott don't let the facts get in your way
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so you’re saying that public teachers unions are political action committees? i agree. i was in one.
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08-16-2022, 07:05 PM
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so you’re saying that public teachers unions are political action committees? i agree. i was in one.
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he's just yelling about something that was never said again....
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08-16-2022, 07:07 PM
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I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections
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Here are endorsements pay a pac
Yet In You mind their telling their members who to vote for …
More fantasy’s
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08-16-2022, 07:08 PM
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he's just yelling about something that was never said again....
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Like usual you said nothing but implied much . Then you deny you meant anything what a surprise
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08-16-2022, 07:14 PM
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so you’re saying that public teachers unions are political action committees? i agree. i was in one.
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Yes Jim you were in a union . Not sure why? Your an anti unionist
And if you wanted you donated to your unions PAC or not
it’s was never required was it.
But it’s funny conservatives like yourself have no issues with dark money and corporate lobbyists
But a teacher union you see as a threat and their political sway is somehow unfair LOL
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08-16-2022, 07:43 PM
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Yes Jim you were in a union . Not sure why? Your an anti unionist
And if you wanted you donated to your unions PAC or not
it’s was never required was it.
But it’s funny conservatives like yourself have no issues with dark money and corporate lobbyists
But a teacher union you see as a threat and their political sway is somehow unfair LOL
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i asked if you consider teachers unions to be PACs. you afraid to
answer?
teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.
when i taught, i offered to be the teacher moderator for the ping ping club. there was no money in it, the school was broke. i was happy to do it for free. I get a letter from the union ordering me not to do it unless they paid me.
All for the kids.
They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.
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08-16-2022, 08:55 PM
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i asked if you consider teachers unions to be PACs. you afraid to
answer?
teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.
when i taught, i offered to be the teacher moderator for the ping ping club. there was no money in it, the school was broke. i was happy to do it for free. I get a letter from the union ordering me not to do it unless they paid me.
All for the kids.
They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.
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Once again Jim you are trying to say unions and pac committees are the same thing shocking
Do you ever get tired of pounding a square pegs into a round holes
teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.
Yep teachers are so rich and they enrich Democratic’s
They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.
please spare me your conspiracy’s your just another victim blaming others because you don’t have their pay or their benefits or the guts to do the job … you re pettiness is pathetic for a grown man
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08-17-2022, 12:22 AM
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Like usual you said nothing but implied much . Then you deny you meant anything what a surprise
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no, you just reacted reflexively and started spouting before thinking...
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08-17-2022, 05:10 AM
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no, you just reacted reflexively and started spouting before thinking...
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