Circle Hook / YoYo Rig Comment Period and Hearings

[Green Light]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

Thet also need to consider rigged eels. Is that a lure or a bait??

It's fished like a lure. Ergo, lure. .

[Saltheart]

Originally Posted by Fish360

It's fished like a lure. Ergo, lure. .

I agree but a live eel is also fished like a lure and it seems that is targeted for circle hooks...maybe..

[DZ]

With eels we may have more of a problem with the endangered species petition.

My problem with yoyo rigs is their continued potential to kill when not attached to a hook. If a yoyo pogy falls off they could still be ingested by other fish, birds, etc, and be fatal. No other R&R method I can think of has that same level of "potential to kill when not being used" - hence why I see this method as unethical.

DZ

[JoeBass]

I mostly fish Maine and starting Jan. 1 2012 circle hooks for bait fishing is the law. I'll abide by it because it helps cut down on fish mortality (and it's the law) but, and this is a big one for me,...I'm gonna really miss setting the hook. I've been setting the hook for over 40 years, it's now a reflex. And it's a great feeling.By-the-way I agree with all the guys saying one at 36" and cut commercial in half.

[Typhoon]

I've never seen a yo-yo rig in action. Is it mostly a south of the canal deal?

[Van]

I CAN THINK OF OHHHHHH.........10-20 OTHER OPTIONS TO HELP BASS MORTALITY...

CHANGING THE LITTLE PIECE OF METAL AT THE END OF THE LINE
ISN'T ONE OF THEM !!!!!!!!!

FIX THE BAIT>STOP TRAWLERS BY CATCH>DECREASE THE TAKE LIMIT> IT GOES ON AND ON.

FRAKING IDOTS.....

sorry for the caps, but thats how I feel about it.


What Piemma said !!!!!!!!!!
1 @ 36 and be done with it

[The Dad Fisherman]

It all comes down to them defining what constitutes "whole and Cut" bait.

Mass Wildlife defines American Eel as a Baitfish.

a) Definitions:

Bait fish means only live or dead fish of the following species. A person shall not use as bait any fish, alive or dead, including parts thereof, except those fish listed in 321 CMR 4.01(8)(a)1. through 15:
1. American eel (Anguilla rostrata)
2. White sucker (Catostomus commersoni)
3. Creek chubsucker (Erimyzon oblongus)
4. Banded killifish (Fundulus diaphanus)
5. Mummichog (Fundulus heteroclitus)
6. Pumpkinseed (Lepomis gibbosus)
7. Golden shiner (Notemigonus crysoleucas)
8. Emerald shiner (Notropis atherinoides)
9. Spottail shiner (Notropis hudsonius)
10. Rainbow smelt (Osmerus mordax), only as provided in 321 CMR 4.01, Table 1.
11. Yellow perch (Perca flavescens)
12. Fallfish (Semotilus corporalis)
13. Bluntnose minnow (Pimephales notatus)
14. Fathead minnow (Pimephales promelas)
15. Herring (Clupea spp.) may be used as bait in the Connecticut River, Merrimack River, and coastal rivers and streams, only as provided in 321 CMR 4.01: Table 1 and 322 CMR, but may not be possessed or used as bait in other rivers and streams, or in lakes, ponds, or reservoirs.

Also doesn't matter what "Technique" you use to retrieve it. I've twitched herring back to me like a lure when I retrieve it....doesn't make it a lure

[Sea Flat]

Would an octopus style hook be considered a circle hook?

[trapperpierre]

For every yoyo fatality thare are hundreds, perhaps thousands of light tackle release deaths. Unethical is-the actual methodology of "catch & release"..that kills striped bass with light tackle///i.e. fly rod, spinning, and coventional....beat and wear down to fish beyond recovery......then the smiling release and the C & R dude exclaims-"Live fish live".....with a high percentage of the stripers become crab food...............The DEP should seriously look at mininum gear size--i.e. rods.....line & leader stength--for all C & R fishing............a regulation enforced..........to increase the percentage of stripers to live-after being played to death on light gear. Such a minimum gear size would save untolded striped bass.....get real

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by trapperpierre

Such a minimum gear size would save untolded striped bass.....get real

Anything to back this up?

There is definitely some responsibility on the fisherman for using appropriately sized gear, but it's also not like every person up and down the beach or on boats are using freshwater gear to catch stripers.

[stripermaineiac]

LOL like all those catch and release fish the netters throw back. more in a day than rod n reel coastwide in a year. Oh thats right those pics posted last fall were all fake and made up just to make the poor commecials look bad.LOL Same old bull to just do nothing then moan an groan about the fishing.

[Swimmer]

Here we goooooooooooo..............

[stripermaineiac]

What do you mean here we goo. It never stopped. some of us practice what we preach and stick to our guns.If it wasn't for that there wouldn't be any stripers around now.gamefish status and one fish 36 in.

[trapperpierre]

...no scientific data to support the amount of yoyo fatalities--regulation to prohibit use of is not substanciated(reg should not be even introduced based on the lack of research in this area)-introduced on hearsay......do a study before even considering enacting

......and there is plenty of data on catch & release by rod & reel--with a healthy percentaage killed-time for scientific study to evaluate the light tackle as an important negative multican of death to C&R..:love

........multiple use is the only fair way to utilize the striped bass resource.....food & recreation..........if comm & recs do not managed to SB resource to provide their respective utilization....they have nothing-both groups are not stupid......

[trapperpierre]

.........the floaters now are being applied to other commercial fisherman bag down in the mid-atlantic--and/or off loaded to other boats being counted towards the cap..............however I've avicated that striped bass commercial fish be caught by rod & reel as the primary tool........coastwide.....LOL to ya all

[stripermaineiac]

I'd tather see rod n reel as that is a heck of a lot more selective than nets are.I worked on a gill netter as a kid. If it was in the net is was dead.What we couldn't keep we stuck and through over the side. Not many swam away.But I'd still rather see gamefish with one fish limit. Size can be worked out.Plus everyone with a comercial ticket fishing for whatever should have to fill out a tax sheat every year. no matter how few fish they sell.I sell plugs,flies and rods and I pay my taxes.I pay my taxes they should have to pay theirs too. Ron

[likwid]

Originally Posted by trapperpierre

...no scientific data to support the amount of yoyo fatalities

Are you really trying to defend yoyo'ing?

[trapperpierre]

........ANY fisheries regulation-as it relates to fish mortality- demands/needs a comprehensive scientific study before it shall be implemented........otherwise, a reglatory dictator can -without justification-enact a regulation without due proceess....this will start a a bad administrative process----that will--beyond this issue--bite all fisherman in the butt....

[stripermaineiac]

LOL lets see just how many years are they gonna study this problem this time? seems to be the same problem they've been studying since the 50's.Like before study forever so nothing gets done till it's way too late.Never yet saw a scientist in the surf or in a boat studying. Always at a computer.

[trapperpierre]

LOL-gotta give the fisheries bean counters something to do LOL,,,,,,,,,,,next it will be single hook only on all artificial lures--so the catch & release boys(&girls) can release their percent of dead fish with cleaner mouths,,,not shreded by treble hook plugs(this does not apply to the small percentage of C&R anglers using single barbless)...the biological reference points in force by ASMFC will prevent a total collasp of the SB population----enough of this BS LOL,,,,,,,gotta go pack up my LL Bean boots to get resoled-for the 4th time.....yep ya northerners can make a mean boot.....

[stripermaineiac]

They're made outside the country now.No more made in maine bean boots.

[DZ]

Originally Posted by trapperpierre

........ANY fisheries regulation-as it relates to fish mortality- demands/needs a comprehensive scientific study before it shall be implemented........otherwise, a reglatory dictator can -without justification-enact a regulation without due proceess....this will start a a bad administrative process----that will--beyond this issue--bite all fisherman in the butt....

You are correct trapper - but I think the intent of this proposed reg is meant to enforce banning an unethical method of fishing. How could anyone use a bait that has a high potential to kill untargeted species such as other fish, marine birds, etc., when coming unattached from your line. Hard to come up with an appropriate analogy but if I knew that every time an eel came off my hook it would be fatal to anything that ate it - I would stop using eels.
If you can't get fishermen to voluntarily clean up their act you have to make a law. Unfortunatly society can't depend on the use of common sense.

DZ

[trapperpierre]

.....circle YoYo-reminds me of ranch names out Montana/Utah way.....we can discuss a variety of topics....from weights inside baits...C & R mortality...seals wearing a face full trebles from pencils, swimmers, and bait rigs....breaking off lead jigs in fish mouths etc. etc...all important----all issues to be considered......now for some stuff of equal importance! Bean rubber bottom boots not manufactured in Maine WT% ! Here is one equal grounds---National Biscuit Company-A.K.A "Nabisco" an all American company--like apple pie & Chevrolet.......Fig Newtons are baked in Mexico(nothing against our friends from the south of USA).....I'm enjoying a stack of them...notice the net weight of the packages is shrinking(like most food stuffs)---and in tiny print Made In Mexico.....ahh! Circles Yo Yo's and imported LL Boots & Fig Newtons from Mexico. We certainly live in complex, forever changing world..........,,,,,good luck & good health to you all

[trapperpierre]

......special hooks-limits on lead use-next in line is treble hooks banned-eels on endangered species list(better make ALL those rubba eels ya all use biodegradable/non toxic--as they are next in line by enviro do gooders....watch out for that Plover....oh the seals are cute........then-MPA's......many elementary schools have approved curicullum(sp?)-teaching against any form of fishing(the fish feels pain etc)-fishing overall is unethical---just wait 'til these kids get into the game of natural resource managers----fishing as we know today-with it.'s moderate freedom it still provides----will be a thing of the past...one surburban neighborhood's application of herbicides, fungicides, chemical fertilizer--no doubt--kills more SB than a bunch of C & R ers & Yo Yo.--it is nice to point fingers around......heading in the direction of a classic case of winning the battle and loosing the war........

[MAKAI]

God, you make me want to get a rope and start looking for a big tree.

[trapperpierre]

.....I'll try to upload pics of several oaks out back

[MAKAI]

Too bad the american chestnut is gone, now that would be a tree to swing from,

[piemma]

Originally Posted by trapperpierre

.....circle YoYo-reminds me of ranch names out Montana/Utah way.....we can discuss a variety of topics....from weights inside baits...C & R mortality...seals wearing a face full trebles from pencils, swimmers, and bait rigs....breaking off lead jigs in fish mouths etc. etc...all important----all issues to be considered......now for some stuff of equal importance! Bean rubber bottom boots not manufactured in Maine WT% ! Here is one equal grounds---National Biscuit Company-A.K.A "Nabisco" an all American company--like apple pie & Chevrolet.......Fig Newtons are baked in Mexico(nothing against our friends from the south of USA).....I'm enjoying a stack of them...notice the net weight of the packages is shrinking(like most food stuffs)---and in tiny print Made In Mexico.....ahh! Circles Yo Yo's and imported LL Boots & Fig Newtons from Mexico. We certainly live in complex, forever changing world..........,,,,,good luck & good health to you all

You have me sooooooo confused. What the hell are you trying to say???
Everything is bad, nothing is bad, Fig Newtons are bad, Nabisco is Good, Chevy is bad, Yo-yoing is bad Yo-yoing is good. I don't understand any of your posts.

[spence]

Originally Posted by piemma

You have me sooooooo confused. What the hell are you trying to say???
Everything is bad, nothing is bad, Fig Newtons are bad, Nabisco is Good, Chevy is bad, Yo-yoing is bad Yo-yoing is good. I don't understand any of your posts.

Yes but...

....circle YoYo-reminds me of ranch names out Montana/Utah way

This does make a lot of sense. If you need further explanation head to the Mint Bar in Sheridan, Wyoming.

-spence

[stripermaineiac]

Just remember anything custom made here hurts the imports.Rod,flies,plugs,jigs,clothing-rain gear +shirts-and everything else.