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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

we can disagree on that. Antifa is a response to the neo-nazis and white supremacists. They certainly have been charged with some illegalities but I don't think there have been any people associated with antifa charged with murder
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Then we disagree, significantly. A mob, alt-left or alt-right, that uses violence to achieve its means, is dangerous. But because they are merely reacting to assholios on the right, it is OK in your book?

This violence (by Both Sides) will continue to get worse until Good People (from Both Sides) recognize that it is a violent fringe that is growing where the fault lies on bad actors and crappy ideology of Both Sides.

Maybe the Antifa commies are not as competent yet: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gration-centre

Check out Antifa and Soca ili st Rif le As sociat ion on reddit, you'll find plenty of ne're do wells, incels, and Lost Boys there too. You just don't have as much an issue with their motivation.

PS - read the link on the Lost Boys - 4 years old but still seems plenty of evidence to support it (and written by one of the OG Never Trumpers) https://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09...the-lost-boys/

Originally Posted by wdmso

John your the expert when it comes to the line.. both sides do it .. you use it often

but are your suggesting Trumps racist vitriol . In no way shape or form has influenced anyone in acting violently ...?

Ahhh, the difference in my "Both Sides" is I point out the bad and good comes from "Both Sides" whereas you draw a strong demarcation between the sides. And when you want to trash Trump you use this his "Both Sides are Good People" to sat he is providing cover from right wing extremism.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Then we disagree, significantly. A mob, alt-left or alt-right, that uses violence to achieve its means, is dangerous. But because they are merely reacting to assholios on the right, it is OK in your book?

This violence (by Both Sides) will continue to get worse until Good People (from Both Sides) recognize that it is a violent fringe that is growing where the fault lies on bad actors and crappy ideology of Both Sides.

Maybe the Antifa commies are not as competent yet: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gration-centre

Check out Antifa and Soca ili st Rif le As sociat ion on reddit, you'll find plenty of ne're do wells, incels, and Lost Boys there too. You just don't have as much an issue with their motivation.

PS - read the link on the Lost Boys - 4 years old but still seems plenty of evidence to support it (and written by one of the OG Never Trumpers) https://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09...the-lost-boys/






Ahhh, the difference in my "Both Sides" is I point out the bad and good comes from "Both Sides" whereas you draw a strong demarcation between the sides. And when you want to trash Trump you use this his "Both Sides are Good People" to sat he is providing cover from right wing extremism.

So is that a yes or no that Trumps words have motivated some people to violence . Or is it another both sides do it.. because its clear that neither side has ever done or doing what trumps doing .. and even the suggestion he is treating the office he holds with honor or he has no culpability. in what he says and what others do in his name is a travesty.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So is that a yes or no that Trumps words have motivated some people to violence . Or is it another both sides do it.. because its clear that neither side has ever done or doing what trumps doing .. and even the suggestion he is treating the office he holds with honor or he has no culpability. in what he says and what others do in his name is a travesty.
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And clearly none of this ever happened before Trump.

Both sides do it. Some is intentional, some is not. Most assisted by various echo chambers. When those echo chambers fuel lost boys (Adam Lanza, Dylan Roof, Nikolas Cruz) that have serious mental issues, who's fault is it?

Would Joe Biden be at fault if someone took a shot at Mitt Romney when he said Mitt was gonna put y'all back in chains? Was Bernie at fault when whatshisface shot up the Congressional Baseball Practice?

Did Trump incite the violence when Micah Johnson shot 5 Dallas Cops at the height of BLM? Lee Boyd Malvo? Tim McVeigh? The Facebook Girl? Omar Mateen? All the instances that happened before 2017 were Trump's fault too? Or is there something else at play? Tell me how this problem started in January 2017 - I'm waiting.

Does it only matter to you when it's Trump's fault?

Most of these instances are kids with serious issues. Not white supremacists going out killing people but these people with serious issues being attracted to them. When these kids start gravitating to Antifa and Hard Core Anarchists, will Spence give them a pass because they are just reacting to this that or the other?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And clearly none of this ever happened before Trump.

Both sides do it. Some is intentional, some is not. Most assisted by various echo chambers. When those echo chambers fuel lost boys (Adam Lanza, Dylan Roof, Nikolas Cruz) that have serious mental issues, who's fault is it?

Would Joe Biden be at fault if someone took a shot at Mitt Romney when he said Mitt was gonna put y'all back in chains? Was Bernie at fault when whatshisface shot up the Congressional Baseball Practice?

Did Trump incite the violence when Micah Johnson shot 5 Dallas Cops at the height of BLM? Lee Boyd Malvo? Tim McVeigh? The Facebook Girl? Omar Mateen? All the instances that happened before 2017 were Trump's fault too? Or is there something else at play? Tell me how this problem started in January 2017 - I'm waiting.

Does it only matter to you when it's Trump's fault?

Most of these instances are kids with serious issues. Not white supremacists going out killing people but these people with serious issues being attracted to them. When these kids start gravitating to Antifa and Hard Core Anarchists, will Spence give them a pass because they are just reacting to this that or the other?

So thats a NO Trumps word have in no way shape or form influenced people to conduct violent acts .. their just deranged which I agree .. every fuse gets lit some how... seeing Trumps the number 1 match thrower ....... its hard to dodge the correlation

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So is that a yes or no that Trumps words have motivated some people to violence . Or is it another both sides do it.. because its clear that neither side has ever done or doing what trumps doing .. and even the suggestion he is treating the office he holds with honor or he has no culpability. in what he says and what others do in his name is a travesty.
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Now you know how god must feel,think of the crimes committed in his name.

What a great president.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Now you know how god must feel,think of the crimes committed in his name.

What a great president.
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exactly the base thinks Trump was a gift from god so what he say is scripture to some