politics and Iran

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump, but it is fair to say had he not made such a reckless move the Iranians wouldn't have had the opportunity to eff it up so badly and those people would be alive.

Indirect blame is blame none-the-less. And it is a cowardly and often stupid way of avoiding direct responsibility by making it seem to appear that blame is not actually being cast while it effectively is. That is what you are doing here--pretending that you are not directly saying it was Trumps fault, yet making it "fair to say" that his action is responsible since if he hadn't done it, the plane would not have been shot down and those people would be alive.

And you fail to note the infinite other "flapping of butterflies wings" that could have led to the tragedy. For instance, if Soleimani had not killed thousands and thousands of people, including Americans, this tragedy wouldn't have happened. If Iran didn't sponsor terrorism and try to rule over Iraq, it wouldn't have happened. And the myriad other if's that led up to what is going on now. It is stupid to claim that there was a singular causal relationship between the killing of Soleimani and the plane being shot down. And it is more cowardly, devious, and dirty to just imply it.


I'm still trying to understand how the Iranians could have been operating regular commercial flights the same day they're launching rockets.

Perhaps they were being reckless.

[Jim in CT]

The AP didn't refer to Soleimani as a terrorist, or an enemy combatant, but simply as "an Iranian General". As if we had no legitimate reason to kill him. This was the Associated Press.

He put in amotion a plan to bomb a Washington DC restaurant, yet they only referred to him as an Iranian General.

Nancy Pelosi said, "how would we like it if Iran killed our number two?" I'm sorry, how many plots did Mike Pence put in mtion to put bombs in restaurants? Spence, WDMSO, how many? It's beyond insane to make any moral equivalence between him and Mike Pence.

To the snowflakes here, go ahead and tell me that's not a bullsh*t, deliberately misleading headline. You people STILL have absolutely no idea how Trump won, why he gets tens of thousands of people at his rallies. No clue. Not the faintest clue. It's stupifying to watch. It's like you don't want to win in November.

And with all the flight from blus states to red states (so much for liberal utopia), red states will pick up some congressional seats after the census, blue states will lose some seats. All hail the electoral college...