politics and Iran

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m not that stupid to say that. but you said very clearly, it’s wrong for us to assume risk to deal with the Soleimini’s of the world. let’s deal with what you explicitly said, rather than claim I said gibberish i sense that i’d never say. Fair enough?

Who ever said we can't tolerate risk? Good lord the irony in your post.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Who ever said we can't tolerate risk? Good lord the irony in your post.

you said killing him was a reckless
and risky escalation. i don’t think that between the coasts, that’s a popular opinion. if
those words sound idiotic
to you i agree with you, but the fact is they’re your words.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

John, we need a double facepalm emoji now.

Next you'll be claiming democrats love terrorists, oops Collins beat you to it.

The amount of Progressives and Dems directly laying the blame of the Iran downing of the Ukraine 737 on Trump would indicate that.

The amount of Progressives and Dems celebrating the life of Soleimani would indicate that.

It has been bizzarro world past week.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The amount of Progressives and Dems directly laying the blame of the Iran downing of the Ukraine 737 on Trump would indicate that.

I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump, but it is fair to say had he not made such a reckless move the Iranians wouldn't have had the opportunity to eff it up so badly and those people would be alive. I'm still trying to understand how the Iranians could have been operating regular commercial flights the same day they're launching rockets.

It does also highlight how most of the rest of the world views Iran under a different lens. Imagine, Iranian kids going to college in Canada. I thought they were all terrorists.

The amount of Progressives and Dems celebrating the life of Soleimani would indicate that.

Haven't seen this either, not once.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by spence

I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump, but it is fair to say had he not made such a reckless move the Iranians wouldn't have had the opportunity to eff it up so badly and those people would be alive. I'm still trying to understand how the Iranians could have been operating regular commercial flights the same day they're launching rockets.

It does also highlight how most of the rest of the world views Iran under a different lens. Imagine, Iranian kids going to college in Canada. I thought they were all terrorists.


Haven't seen this either, not once.

Of course you haven't its another made up narrative by republicans to present any one with different view is un American or Iranian sympathizer..

But OMG the right being called deplorables . They were outraged

But calling others un American or sympathizer must be how they intend to make America great again
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump, but it is fair to say had he not made such a reckless move the Iranians wouldn't have had the opportunity to eff it up so badly and those people would be alive.

Indirect blame is blame none-the-less. And it is a cowardly and often stupid way of avoiding direct responsibility by making it seem to appear that blame is not actually being cast while it effectively is. That is what you are doing here--pretending that you are not directly saying it was Trumps fault, yet making it "fair to say" that his action is responsible since if he hadn't done it, the plane would not have been shot down and those people would be alive.

And you fail to note the infinite other "flapping of butterflies wings" that could have led to the tragedy. For instance, if Soleimani had not killed thousands and thousands of people, including Americans, this tragedy wouldn't have happened. If Iran didn't sponsor terrorism and try to rule over Iraq, it wouldn't have happened. And the myriad other if's that led up to what is going on now. It is stupid to claim that there was a singular causal relationship between the killing of Soleimani and the plane being shot down. And it is more cowardly, devious, and dirty to just imply it.


I'm still trying to understand how the Iranians could have been operating regular commercial flights the same day they're launching rockets.

Perhaps they were being reckless.

[Jim in CT]

The AP didn't refer to Soleimani as a terrorist, or an enemy combatant, but simply as "an Iranian General". As if we had no legitimate reason to kill him. This was the Associated Press.

He put in amotion a plan to bomb a Washington DC restaurant, yet they only referred to him as an Iranian General.

Nancy Pelosi said, "how would we like it if Iran killed our number two?" I'm sorry, how many plots did Mike Pence put in mtion to put bombs in restaurants? Spence, WDMSO, how many? It's beyond insane to make any moral equivalence between him and Mike Pence.

To the snowflakes here, go ahead and tell me that's not a bullsh*t, deliberately misleading headline. You people STILL have absolutely no idea how Trump won, why he gets tens of thousands of people at his rallies. No clue. Not the faintest clue. It's stupifying to watch. It's like you don't want to win in November.

And with all the flight from blus states to red states (so much for liberal utopia), red states will pick up some congressional seats after the census, blue states will lose some seats. All hail the electoral college...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jacki...b6da971d13f559

“If what is being projected is true, this is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the president of the United States,” Speier said.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jacki...b6da971d13f559

“If what is being projected is true, this is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the president of the United States,” Speier said.
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Nothing wrong with that.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Nothing wrong with that.
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Well, you were wrong for starters, so there's that.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Nothing wrong with that.
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You said you havent seen any democrats blame Trumo for the plane crash.

TDF showed you a link where an elected democrats blamed Tum for the plane crash.

And you cannot just say, "you know what, I was wrong and you are right." Liberals can't do that, they can never, ever made to be wrong. It's something.

You have shown be to be absolutey wrong a few times on this board. It happens. No one is right every single time. WHat are you afraid would happpen, if you simply admitted you made a mistake?