22 dead kids

[BW from AZ]

I have very strong feeling about all of this. I agree with some and disagree with others. Guns dont belong in the hands of anyone without proper training and respect.
There is a lot that can be learned from all this. Dont waste it.
The highest price has already been paid by 31 inocent lives. Now make decisions with this very expensive knowledge so it isnt likely to happen again. He (the gunman) couldnt be stopped prior to this, but it should not have taken so long to end it.

(this is the tamed down version)

[Skip N]

No gun control in the world would've stopped this kid from doing this, he clearly had a vision in his mind of commiting mass murder, regalrdless of the gun laws, this kid would've found a way to gain access to a firearm and commit murder. If someone wants a gun that bad they'll find a way to get one, regardless of how tough the gun laws are.

So all the people calling for more gun control just dont get it, this kid would've found a way to get a gun regardless.

Rot in hell you %$%$%$%$ing murdering bastard

Just heard on the news that one of the kids murdered was from Lincoln, RI Hits even closer to home now.

[wheresmy50]

There's no way the legal carry is at 1%. 1% may have permits, but that doesn't mean 1% carry.

I have a permit and carry about 0.5% of the time. Someone could shoot up the office and my pistol would be safe and sound at home while I'm contemplating taking a pen to a gun fight. I don't think most people would carry to class - why would you need to?

I really don't think this a legal carry issue, other than to say we need more licensing and more actual legal carry. Even where legal, laws and society provide a strong disincentive.

CNN reported yesterday that the suspect was reportedly carrying a 9mm and 22mm pistol. That pretty much sums up their understanding of guns.

[fishpoopoo]

Originally Posted by wheresmy50

There's no way the legal carry is at 1%. 1% may have permits, but that doesn't mean 1% carry.

I have a permit and carry about 0.5% of the time....I don't think most people would carry to class - why would you need to?

Sadly, there were at least 33 reasons yesterday to carry to class.

Nobody says you HAVE to CCW, but those willing to shoulder the burden (and it is a BURDEN) should be allowed to.

[fishpoopoo]

[TheSpecialist]

Gotta love Oleg Volk..

[fishpoopoo]

thought you'd recognize that, bill.

[CANAL RAT]

i cant think of a more important time for Law abiding citizens to arm themselves. I think every person with out a violent criminal record should carry a concealed handgun. the thugs will calm down real quick when they know if they try to mug granny they might get a cap in there ass.

[likwid]

You can't even speculate whether someone would have shot in this situation if they were armed.

Nobody has any clue what anyone would do, training or no training without having been put in that situation themselves.

Paper does not shoot back.

There is ZERO factual evidence that shows that any amount of shooting time, cqb training or anything else like that would allow a completely caught by surprise KID to draw and fire. Never mind not accidentally shooting another innocent...

Would someone armed have helped this situation?
Nobody will know.
Period.

Circular logic with circular reasoning leads to the same argument over and over.

[Raven]

everything in life goes full circle

[Raven]

i have a feeling this event is going to have
allot of lawsuits against the school because
nothing was done when the warning signs
were made known to school officials..

[fishpoopoo]

Originally Posted by likwid

You can't even speculate whether someone would have shot in this situation if they were armed.

Nobody has any clue what anyone would do, training or no training without having been put in that situation themselves.

Paper does not shoot back.

There is ZERO factual evidence that shows that any amount of shooting time, cqb training or anything else like that would allow a completely caught by surprise KID to draw and fire. Never mind not accidentally shooting another innocent...

Would someone armed have helped this situation?
Nobody will know.
Period.

Circular logic with circular reasoning leads to the same argument over and over.

Well, I don't necessarily disagree with you Likwid.

But, I would prefer the probability (however small) of a lawfully armed citizen taking out a shooter [and possibly wounding me or another innocent] over the near certainty of being killed by a shooter if I am unarmed. You have to give people more credit than you are.

BTW, thirty of the thirty-two fatalities died before the cops arrived on scene.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

You have to give people more credit than you are.

In a fight or flee situation most people will flee.
Not odds you want to bet on.

And honestly, I'm waiting for the "well the military trains people to deal with the stress". I'm sure anyone wanting a concealed permit wants to go through the programming say a Force Recon Marine goes through huh?

[fishpoopoo]

Originally Posted by likwid

In a fight or flee situation most people will flee.
Not odds you want to bet on.

And honestly, I'm waiting for the "well the military trains people to deal with the stress". I'm sure anyone wanting a concealed permit wants to go through the programming say a Force Recon Marine goes through huh?

Likwid, I know what you're driving at. Most sheeple won't know what to do when shots start getting fired. They freeze. Then if they're smart they run. They don't have the training that directs them to run to gunfire.

A little civilian training, while not up to USMC tempo, does help, however. But most importantly, there are many people who are motivated to do the RIGHT THING whether they are armed or not.

While paper targets don't shoot back, a CCW'er who might regularly practice at the range will at least immediately be able to recognize AND NOT BE FLUSTERED BY gunfire. THAT in itself is useful.

I'm no macho armchair mall ninja, but I can speak as someone who has personally experienced the unpleasantness of armed encounters.

[TheSpecialist]

I guess when there is nowhere to flee to, the weak will die and the strong will survive, that is natures way is'nt it.

Oh yeah the shooter who probably had no real training practiced by shooting at paper targets, granted that k no one shot back at him, but he did not know if anyone in that school was gonna be armed and shoot back. By the way I have had people shoot at me before, and I was'nt scared I was pi$$ed. Most people with CCW's are type A people who when adrenaline kicks in will not be afraid, most will not fear the sound of gun fire, having been conditioned to it from hundreds of hours at the range, and will think more clearly than others who have not. You believe what you want to, but all I know is that I will never be a victim as long as I have my CCW and the means to carry.