Get some sleep

[JohnnySaxatilis]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Then there was that 57 pounder that Lev Wlodyka caught on MV several years ago. It had an old yo-yo weight in its stomach that had been completely encapsulated in stomach tissue.

jelly belly knelly. The Big One by david kenney. good book!

[MarshCappa]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

I think people expect too much from the big tourneys. The most enjoyable are little tourneys with small prizes (like a commemorative belt buckle) such that winning the prize is meaningless from a monetary view point. Its betweem friends or at least aquaintences and the biggest prize is the pride of having been lucky or skillfull or both that day (or weekend) These pumped up big events bring all the focus on winning big ticket items and that changes it from friendly sport to cutthroat ,lying , cheating, minipulating , do anything to win, fish kills.

The tourneys I have enjoyed the most were 1 day derbies where the cost on entering was like $10, a charity kept most of the money and someone gets a trophy or small value gear for winning. Our own S-B 4 leg tourneys are classic gentlemen's honor , catch and release and maybe you win a reel.

As soon as the prizes get big enough to make it a commercial inviting event, the spirit of sportsmanship gets ruined.

We grilled the original Striper Cup organizers online over the initial rules that promoted a fish kill much larger than the eventual rules that were adopted after the big protests.One thing that many wanted but that the organizers didn't was to not allow anyone with a commercial license to enter. I think that was the biggest mistake. With large prizes and commercial guys allowed to compete it became just another way for guys to earn more money from fish they were going to sell at the market anyway.

To me , the moral is that anything that turns a fishing tourney into more than simple fun between friends is bad for the tourney and participants.

Really well said. I totally agree with your point of view.

[Back Beach]

Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep...

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep...

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Mike P

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things.

For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.

[Saltheart]

• Upon registration an angler must declare either a club affiliation or no affiliation

How can Meyerson weigh in a fish on May 30 and again on June 26 as unaffilliated and then weigh in the Aug 5 --82 pounder as a member of Team Striper?

It looks to me that without the 82 pounder that Team Jersey shore would win since they are only 4 pounds (points) behind and Team Stripers second biggest fish is 57 pounds. That's 25 pounds less than Meyersons

Now I'm looking at the standings posted today , Sept 20. Maybe these standing do not include all fish? Regardless of that , how can a guy weigh in fish as both affiliated and no affiliation whne the rules say you must declare your affiliation upon registering? Hmmm

I must have missed something here. What's going on?

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Bill L

477 fish weighed so far
1-80's
1-70's
17-50's
111-40's
211-30's
106-20's
29-teens

130 BIG breeders does NOT constitute the killing of the species!!

the current migratory count has to be upwards of 6,000,000,,,,,,

!!! SIIIIIIX,,,,,,,MILLLLL,,,,,,,,,,YUUUUUUNN !!!

for me and my concerns, the BY CATCH kills far more big breeders than recreational "for meat" tourneys EVER WILL, and has been doing so for decades!!

fix the forage, ONE @ 36", and CONGRATS to Mr Myerson for his
NEW WORLD RECORD,,,,,,,,,,,,,WOW(except for one minor detail)
boat feesh NEVER count, fo reels ya'll~ fo reeeeeeeels

[Saltheart]

Originally Posted by Mike P

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.

What's bitter about Mike's statement? Its just a statement of fact. You don't agree that a recent entry of 82 pounds significantly changes the results?

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.

Nope, not bitter at all. I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which club wins it. I just think that you either have set rules, or not, and if not, your tournament lacks something. If they're flexible, and subject to changing on the fly, IMO it's not a good thing. That's my opinion, nothing more, and you don't have to agree with it, or even like it.

[Sea Dangles]

Mike was being coy with his statement Saltheart.And while I agree with his statement regarding the tournament,even he has to acknowledge that OTW had set the precedence years before by allowing changes midstream.The fact it was Myerson or even a record fish should not alter this exception despite the impact on the standings.It actually would have been unfair if he were not allowed to have a club affiliation.

[piemma]

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[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Mike was being coy with his statement Saltheart.And while I agree with his statement regarding the tournament,even he has to acknowledge that OTW had set the precedence years before by allowing changes midstream.The fact it was Myerson or even a record fish should not alter this exception despite the impact on the standings.It actually would have been unfair if he were not allowed to have a club affiliation.

You probably know this, but it has nothing to do with Myerson. I'm in the guy's corner. I just happen to think that a club's roster should be set when the thing starts. Maybe give 30 days grace period for late registrations, the close the club deal. No exceptions. SB benefitted from a couple of late additions in 2007, too. I didn't think it was right then, either.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Nope, not bitter at all.

Just admit you are an angry, bitter lawyer with some old axe to grind... at least keep some fuel on the fire....

[Saltheart]

You should never be able to enter a fish you already caught in the tourney unless registered before the fish was caught or be allowed to have a fish credited to a team you had not been a member of before catching the fish. I don't care if he joins the team the last day but no fish he caught before joining should be counted towards that teams total. A guy should never be allowed to carry a previously caught fish into the tournament or team tally. Thats simply rediculous!!

I mean why not just wait to see if you catch a big one and only sign up if you are sure you will win something. What kind of tourney is that??

I do not agree that just because an exception was made in the past that you have to keep making that same mistake forever. They just admit it was wrong to do it in the firstplace and stop doing it .

To allow that 82 pound fish to be credited to a team that he was not a member of before the fish was caught is wrong and everyone knows it. I also hope he gets the World Record with the fish but it should never be credited towards a team he wasn't on before it was caught. That's just wrong any way you look at it!

[Sea Dangles]

Um,...Saltheart, he caught the 82 after joining Team Striper. This is why none of his previous whoppers were credited to the team.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Nope, not bitter at all. I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which club wins it.

I actually understand this completely....I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which woman wins the Miss Universe Pagent...I have not, nor will I ever participate in the Miss Universe Pagent but I do post lengthy remarks on the Miss Universe Facebook page and on various beauty queen websites regarding my opinions on various pagent rules which do not affect me in any way ....it's not that I'm bitter, and I'm actually in the corner of one or two contestants, particularly the ones that go really large....if ya know what I mean...but don't think that because I continually voice my opinions on the rules regarding the pagent that I really
give a #^&#^&#^&#^&

[Saltheart]

OK so how did he get around this rule (in purple below) after entering 2 fish as unaffiliated to get on team Striper in the time between the two he entered as unaffiliated and the 82 pounder?

• Upon registration an angler must declare either a club affiliation or no affiliation

[Sea Dangles]

With the blessings of OTW hierachy.

[Saltheart]

And that's the root of the problem. Oh well...As some say , rules are made to be broken.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

And that's the root of the problem. Oh well...As some say , rules are made to be broken.

which problem?..and what rules were broken?

the rule states that and angler must declare one or the other status at the time of registration, which makes sense, I'm pretty sure that was done...I've not seen a rule that states that an unaffiliated angler may not (affiliate) join a team during the several months of the tournament and in fact, OTW made it quite clear that this is done regularly and MikeP acknowledged the fact that there is precedence.....an unaffifiated angler joining a team has no idea as to whether he/she is going to catch a fish of consequence after joining a team(which are the only fish that may count in the standings)....what exactly is the problem?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Just admit you are an angry, bitter lawyer with some old axe to grind... at least keep some fuel on the fire....

Fires on the internet don't need a lot of fuel, only bytes of it.

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

Hey guys! Is it supposed to burn when you pee?
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[Mike P]

Originally Posted by scottw

which problem?..and what rules were broken?

the rule states that and angler must declare one or the other status at the time of registration, which makes sense, I'm pretty sure that was done...I've not seen a rule that states that an unaffiliated angler may not (affiliate) join a team during the several months of the tournament and in fact, OTW made it quite clear that this is done regularly and MikeP acknowledged the fact that there is precedence.....an unaffifiated angler joining a team has no idea as to whether he/she is going to catch a fish of consequence after joining a team(which are the only fish that may count in the standings)....what exactly is the problem?

It's not quite what I said---in the SB team case, two anglers who contributed heavily to our winning year joined the tournament in mid-July. They weren't previously in as individuals, and then joined a team. I still think that club rosters should be set either at the start, or within the first month of it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I still think that club rosters should be set either at the start, or within the first month of it.

just doesn't make any sense...the tournament is months long and actually a series of weekly/monthly tournaments...OTW allows registration throughout the tournament(which makes perfect sense given the nature of the tournament and for maximum participation).... I'm sure that many anglers decide to register throughout the season as a result of joining a club or encouragement from a competing team, your rules would not allow new registrants after the first day (or month) to join a club/team which might discourage participation, which I'm sure is not the goal of OTW....if you make an exception for new registrants and allow them to affiliate with clubs/teams after one of your dates, it hardly seems justifiable to allow them(new registrants) to join a team after one of your dates while not allowing previously registered but unaffilitated anglers to affiliate, the only difference between the two is the date on their registration.....and in both cases, as long as any fish that is being entered is caught after the date of registration/affiliation, why would it matter ???????

[Saltheart]

So a heavy hitter (Someone known to catch lots of big fish every year) can join as unaffiliated , enter fish as an independent to be sure he's got some in there for some prizes , then wait for the season to progress and see how the team totals tally up. Then near the end , when its getting obvious who the winner or at least top 3 will be , he can jump in and join a garanteed winning or high placing team. I'm not saying he did that but the exceptions made to allow moving from unaffiliated to affiliated would allow this.

I've posted the rule twice in purple. Its apparant that people interpret this differently than me. To me it says when you join you decide if you are an independent or a team member. To me that's it , that's what you are for the tournament. Why even have such a rule if you can jump around from unaffiliated to affiliated during the contest? Yes I know the slippery slope was started with exceptions in the past and that those exceptions even involved S-B team people. As I said earlier, if you do something once it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way forever.

The integrity of the tournament is bound to adherence to the rules by both the participants and the organizers. Making exceptions or looking for supreme court type loop holes to simple fishing tournament rules casts a shadow over things that some may not care about but that others might.

I joined the tournament the first year simply to be able to go to the party at the end at Harpoon Brewery (I think it was Harpoon?). I got a pin and a golden raffle ticket and Smokey and I had good food and beer at the party. We ran into all the usual hard core guys ( even56456) at the party so it was a good social event like TFCTFN and MSBA etc. I suppose expecting or even caring about any more than that is a mistake.

I rest my case.

[Sea Dangles]

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[Raven]

Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

Hey guys! Is it supposed to burn when you pee?
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sounds like passing a kidney stone

try the apple cider vinegar remedy

it melts them if they are small

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

So a heavy hitter (Someone known to catch lots of big fish every year) can join as unaffiliated , enter fish as an independent to be sure he's got some in there for some prizes , then wait for the season to progress and see how the team totals tally up. Then near the end , when its getting obvious who the winner or at least top 3 will be , he can jump in and join a garanteed winning or high placing team. I'm not saying he did that but the exceptions made to allow moving from unaffiliated to affiliated would allow this. you have been long on speculation and short on facts through the entire discussion

I've posted the rule twice in purple. Its apparant that people interpret this differently than me. To me it says when you join you decide if you are an independent or a team member. To me that's it , that's what you are for the tournament.does it say this in purple?
Why even have such a rule if you can jump around from unaffiliated to affiliated during the contest? because tournament organizers need to know where to slot your fish when you register Yes I know the slippery slope was started with exceptions in the past and that those exceptions even involved S-B team people. As I said earlier, if you do something once it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way forever.it appears to be pretty common rather than an "exception" or a "breaking of the rules"

The integrity of the tournament is bound to adherence to the rules by both the participants and the organizers. Making exceptions or looking for supreme court type loop holes to simple fishing tournament rules casts a shadow over things that some may not care about but that others might. those would be the people who "couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& "

I joined the tournament the first year simply to be able to go to the party at the end at Harpoon Brewery (I think it was Harpoon?). I got a pin and a golden raffle ticket and Smokey and I had good food and beer at the party. We ran into all the usual hard core guys ( even #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&) at the party so it was a good social event like TFCTFN and MSBA etc. I suppose expecting or even caring about any more than that is a mistake. I wonder how many harsh critics of the tournament will be at the party?


I rest my case.

we'll see.............................

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by scottw

just doesn't make any sense...the tournament is months long and actually a series of weekly/monthly tournaments...OTW allows registration throughout the tournament(which makes perfect sense given the nature of the tournament and for maximum participation).... I'm sure that many anglers decide to register throughout the season as a result of joining a club or encouragement from a competing team, your rules would not allow new registrants after the first day (or month) to join a club/team which might discourage participation, which I'm sure is not the goal of OTW....if you make an exception for new registrants and allow them to affiliate with clubs/teams after one of your dates, it hardly seems justifiable to allow them(new registrants) to join a team after one of your dates while not allowing previously registered but unaffilitated anglers to affiliate, the only difference between the two is the date on their registration.....and in both cases, as long as any fish that is being entered is caught after the date of registration/affiliation, why would it matter ???????

Because the club tournament is run separately from the individual one, with separate standings. Ideally, it would be limited to legitimate fishing clubs, like the Schaeffer Cup was, with membership rosters and meeting halls. With dues, and by-laws, and all the rest of the trappings of fishing clubs. Perhaps even a vote among existing members on new members. Then, you could allow adding members to the team roster, after they join a real club. But since they allow, in effect, "pick-up" teams, there has to be a cut-off date to make it a fair contest. If I'm a heavy hitter, I can sit on the sidelines, see how the standings shape up, and then offer my "services" to a team that wants to make a mid-tournament push on a team that's been together since the start. Why does every professional sports league have a trading deadline?

[influx99]

I didn't renew my subscription once they started the tourney.

Haven't really missed it since.