Who won the debate last night?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Appreciate and can respect the opinion. Maybe it's my cynicism, but I personally don't have much confidence that either of them are all that great of human beings - mostly due to my distaste of most national level politicians.


Whether it is or is not a double-standard is essentially an "in the eyes of the beholder" type of situation. Due to your opinion that Newt has converted and is repentant while Clinton has never been, eliminates the possibility of it appearing as a double-standard to you.


Aside from you posts about Unions, I haven't agreed with you more than with the above. The quiet, continued support for extending the Patriot Act, his push for actions that erode our rights domestically, the increased warrant-less tracking of Americans at home and many other attacks on our right to privacy.... these are some of my biggest issues with Obama. It was my biggest issue with Bush and now is my biggest issue with Obama.

"I personally don't have much confidence that either of them are all that great of human beings - mostly due to my distaste of most national level politicians."

I agree, most are jerks.

"Due to your opinion that Newt has converted and is repentant while Clinton has never been, eliminates the possibility of it appearing as a double-standard to you."

I'd say theere's more of a distinction that just my view. Both men cheated. Gingrich says he's sorry, and says he asked God for forgiveness. When we asked Clinton about it, he essentially told us to mid our own business. But you are correct, much of it is in the eye of the beholder.

"Aside from you posts about Unions, I haven't agreed with you more than with the above"

If you agree with me on unions (and I thought you did), you agree with me on a lot. My belief that unions are an indescribable source of bad things, is a cornerstone of my beliefs.

"It was my biggest issue with Bush and now is my biggest issue with Obama"

Funny. I liked that BUsh used those tools, and I like that Obama is doing it. I just don't luike the double-standard.

Hope your holidays are off to a good start Johnny.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Hope your holidays are off to a good start Johnny.

Thank you. Same goes for you and your family. 2012 is going to be a very interesting year for me.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Thank you. Same goes for you and your family. 2012 is going to be a very interesting year for me.

Your welcome, and thanks. I believe you own your own business? I hope that 2012 is a great year, and that you become (if not already) one of the 1% that Obama and Spence blame for everything.

By "interesting", I hope you meen enriching, rewarding, and fulfilling. Sincerely.

Jamie

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Your welcome, and thanks. I believe you own your own business? I hope that 2012 is a great year, and that you become (if not already) one of the 1% that Obama and Spence blame for everything.

By "interesting", I hope you meen enriching, rewarding, and fulfilling. Sincerely.

Jamie

That's the interesting part. My business partner and I are going separate ways due to far too many differences of opinion. New ventures on the horizon for me... will be exciting and hopefully not a big flop. Thanks for the well wishes.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'd say theere's more of a distinction that just my view. Both men cheated. Gingrich says he's sorry, and says he asked God for forgiveness. When we asked Clinton about it, he essentially told us to mid our own business. But you are correct, much of it is in the eye of the beholder..

So, if Clinton had publicly said he asked God for forgiveness, you'd be OK w/ it moving forward? You have no proof he still cheats, or didn't ask for forgiveness, it is totally 'in the eye of the beholder'

They both have/had serious character issues.

The guys who wrote 'the right strikes back' had accounts from Newt's staffers that current wife wouldn't let him campaign overnight w/ out her there... does she get lonely? or does she fear once a cheat, always a cheat?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So, if Clinton had publicly said he asked God for forgiveness, you'd be OK w/ it moving forward? You have no proof he still cheats, or didn't ask for forgiveness, it is totally 'in the eye of the beholder'

They both have/had serious character issues.

The guys who wrote 'the right strikes back' had accounts from Newt's staffers that current wife wouldn't let him campaign overnight w/ out her there... does she get lonely? or does she fear once a cheat, always a cheat?

nice job stomping all over Jim and JD's love fest.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So, if Clinton had publicly said he asked God for forgiveness, you'd be OK w/ it moving forward? You have no proof he still cheats, or didn't ask for forgiveness, it is totally 'in the eye of the beholder'

They both have/had serious character issues.

The guys who wrote 'the right strikes back' had accounts from Newt's staffers that current wife wouldn't let him campaign overnight w/ out her there... does she get lonely? or does she fear once a cheat, always a cheat?

"So, if Clinton had publicly said he asked God for forgiveness, you'd be OK w/ it moving forward?"

If Clinton responded the way Gingrish did, I would absolutely be OK with it. Otherwise, I'd be a hypocrit. And I'm not.

"You have no proof he still cheats, "

You are right. But I'd bet an awful lot of money that he still does, and it would be a sucker bet.

"or didn't ask for forgiveness"

I have proof that he didn't ask for forgiveness when first confronted. It was on TV. He angrily denied having the affair, then he said something insane about he only cheated if you don't know what the word "is" means.

"They both have/had serious character issues."

True. Know what else? Together, they proved that if you cut taxes, cut spending, balance the budget, and kick lazy people off welfare (the ones who ought to be working), you can really revitalize an economy. Maybe you haven;t noticed, but we could use that right now. So when the messiah Obama says that conservative economic principles "never work", which he said in Kansas last week, he is demonstrably wrong. Look at how the economy performed after Clinton/Gingrich did their thing. Not too shabby. What never works is socialism.