Who won the debate last night?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Appreciate and can respect the opinion. Maybe it's my cynicism, but I personally don't have much confidence that either of them are all that great of human beings - mostly due to my distaste of most national level politicians.


Whether it is or is not a double-standard is essentially an "in the eyes of the beholder" type of situation. Due to your opinion that Newt has converted and is repentant while Clinton has never been, eliminates the possibility of it appearing as a double-standard to you.


Aside from you posts about Unions, I haven't agreed with you more than with the above. The quiet, continued support for extending the Patriot Act, his push for actions that erode our rights domestically, the increased warrant-less tracking of Americans at home and many other attacks on our right to privacy.... these are some of my biggest issues with Obama. It was my biggest issue with Bush and now is my biggest issue with Obama.

"I personally don't have much confidence that either of them are all that great of human beings - mostly due to my distaste of most national level politicians."

I agree, most are jerks.

"Due to your opinion that Newt has converted and is repentant while Clinton has never been, eliminates the possibility of it appearing as a double-standard to you."

I'd say theere's more of a distinction that just my view. Both men cheated. Gingrich says he's sorry, and says he asked God for forgiveness. When we asked Clinton about it, he essentially told us to mid our own business. But you are correct, much of it is in the eye of the beholder.

"Aside from you posts about Unions, I haven't agreed with you more than with the above"

If you agree with me on unions (and I thought you did), you agree with me on a lot. My belief that unions are an indescribable source of bad things, is a cornerstone of my beliefs.

"It was my biggest issue with Bush and now is my biggest issue with Obama"

Funny. I liked that BUsh used those tools, and I like that Obama is doing it. I just don't luike the double-standard.

Hope your holidays are off to a good start Johnny.