Rhode Island Charter Boat limit 1 or 2 fish

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by joebaggs99

One fish would be great. How ever for charters, I wouldn't mind 2 fish per paid angler. Leaving Captains and Mate out.

This is where I stand.
Me, striper taste like crap.
It's about us being able to sell charters.

[Linesider82]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

This is where I stand.
Me, striper taste like crap.
It's about us being able to sell charters.

So you sell crap?
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[JoeG@Breezy]

So what's the difference between a guy who fishes as a guest on a for hire or me from the beach ? Please don't tell me it's because he pays so much. Let's all remember who kills the most fish, rec boats and for hires according to the numbers. If we are going to stabilize the biomass then thaving the largest group of participants still killing two fish what do we expect to happen. The 1@28 was supposed to be only a 50% chance. Now where are we ? Every state is mixed up in this BS "got to have 2 fish thing because of the other guy (adjacent states )", all because some boneheads fell for conservation equivalency as if there really is such a thing. Maybe we should manage Plovers with that concept. As long as we always have the same number of nests somewhere on the coast that's OK. ?

[DZ]

If all states in the New England region go 1 fish bag then the common argument that any NE state will have an advantage over the other becomes mute. Right now RI seems to be the only wild card left.

[Redsoxticket]

The 25% reduction of striped bass from the recs have a 100% chance of success (1 bass from 2 bass) and the for hire 25% reduction has a 0% probability of success (2 bass before 2 bass proposed) and Collectively the probability would be 50% ( 100% probability recs + 0% probability "for hires" divide by 2 is 50% probability
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

The 25% reduction of striped bass from the recs have a 100% chance of success (1 bass from 2 bass) and the for hire 25% reduction has a 0% probability of success (2 bass before 2 bass proposed) and Collectively the probability would be 50% ( 100% probability recs + 0% probability "for hires" divide by 2 is 50% probability
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If it was 2 @ 28 inches your theory might hold water. Would your probability of catching one from shore stay the same if it was 1 @ 33 inches?
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[Bill L]

In RI the charter fleet has no problem finding fish over 32 inches at the Block. Business as usual, no reduction in fish taken
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[Slipknot]

It is a weak a$$ excuse to use the we will lose money if our customers can't have a chance to keep 2 fish if the limit goes to one at 28". How about the tackle shops all along the coast (except NJ) who have to accept the fact that THEIR customers will now only be able to keep one fish @ 28" so seeing as how that is now now longer 2 per day, it will impact THEIR business in loss of customers, but for some power struggle driven reason, the Charter businesses who think their business will be hurt want a "special" conservation equivalency for their particular user group. I call horse shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit on that crap. They have no justification.

The fisheries managers need to stop trying to please everyone and realize they need to do the right thing and give the fish a better than 50/50 shot at survival. One at 32" or 34" would be better, or a graduated limit would be fine also to protect the 2011 year class, like 28" this year, then 30" then 32". Their scientists need to grow a set of balls and speak up or find another job.


It has gone beyond ridiculousness long enough

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

Would your probability of catching one from shore stay the same if it was 1 @ 33 inches?
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Yes it would stay the same.
catching, and keeping are 2 very different things.
The probability of catching a 33" fish is still the same.

[JohnR]

Interesting results - more consistent than I thought we would see.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Yes it would stay the same.
catching, and keeping are 2 very different things.
The probability of catching a 33" fish is still the same.

Sounds like you could have a job in fisheries management 😂
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

Sounds like you could have a job in fisheries management 😂
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Did you graduate from high school ?
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[PaulS]

I guess there are atleast 5 who make $ off SB.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Did you graduate from high school ?
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We catch far more fish in the 28 to 33 slot then fish over 33. Why
Is that so hard to grasp ? Dope maybe ?
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I guess there are atleast 5 who make $ off SB.

If you include plug makers its many many more. Maybe they can make hookless plugs and sell the experience 😊 we can all agree that a number of fish die after a release

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[PaulS]

And I'll bet that most of the plug makers who voted above voted for 1 fish. I agree that a number of fish die after release. I think we all can also agree that keeping 2 fish kills twice as many fish as keeping 1 fish.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

Would your probability of catching one from shore stay the same if it was 1 @ 33 inches?
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OK one more time, I'll try to be a little more clear with my common sense here.

It does not matter whether the limit to keep a bass is 20 inches or 30 inches, the probability stays the same of your chances of catching a 33 inch bass. Just like it is the same to catch a 50 pounder no matter what the legal length is to keep one.

Fisheries management manages to have maximum yeild, I think we would all benefit if they managed for maximum sustainable population at a diverse spread of age and size so that there is not some kind of huge void of let's just say for instance hardly any 20-25 pound fish or not enough 32" fish for example.

I have common sense, not a fisheries management degree, I'll stick to making boxes.

Whatever RI does, it does. We will have to live with it for 3 years.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

OK one more time, I'll try to be a little more clear with my common sense here.

It does not matter whether the limit to keep a bass is 20 inches or 30 inches, the probability stays the same of your chances of catching a 33 inch bass. Just like it is the same to catch a 50 pounder no matter what the legal length is to keep one.

Fisheries management manages to have maximum yeild, I think we would all benefit if they managed for maximum sustainable population at a diverse spread of age and size so that there is not some kind of huge void of let's just say for instance hardly any 20-25 pound fish or not enough 32" fish for example.

I have common sense, not a fisheries management degree, I'll stick to making boxes.

Whatever RI does, it does. We will have to live with it for 3 years.

I Agree with what you are saying but that was not my point and I believe you know that.
If you could only keep a fish 33 inches or above your chances of bringing home a fish to eat are a lot less then if you can bring home a fish 28 inches and above. That's just speaking from my experience maybe you guys are better at targeting the big fish.
I hope that is clear.

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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by buckman

I Agree with what you are saying but that was not my point and I believe you know that.
If you could only keep a fish 33 inches or above your chances of bringing home a fish to eat are a lot less then if you can bring home a fish 28 inches and above. That's just speaking from my experience maybe you guys are better at targeting the big fish.
I hope that is clear.

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I would say my chance of catching a 28" fish is a tiny bit better than a 33 but I don't chase those. Probably the same for most here. Coastwide, might make a little more difference but not drastically.

That said different year classes being missing / wiped out will make that more hit or miss as you drill down. The larger you make the minimum size, the more year classes you protect a little longer.

[Sea Dangles]

I am guessing I average 10 fish over 33 to 1 over 28

And yeah, Nebe is too dope!
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I would say my chance of catching a 28" fish is a tiny bit better than a 33 but I don't chase those. Probably the same for most here. Coastwide, might make a little more difference but not drastically.

That said different year classes being missing / wiped out will make that more hit or miss as you drill down. The larger you make the minimum size, the more year classes you protect a little longer.

The good news is that in our area there seems to be more fish under 33" I guess that's why the charter boats in my area figure the 2@33 is going to be a significant reduction in fish killed . Sure there will be good days but there will not be full limits on most and in my opinion ( I do own a charter boat ) there could be less fish on some days then there would be with 1@28 being the for hire regulation .
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by buckman

The good news is that in our area there seems to be more fish under 33" I guess that's why the charter boats in my area figure the 2@33 is going to be a significant reduction in fish killed . Sure there will be good days but there will not be full limits on most and in my opinion ( I do own a charter boat ) there could be less fish on some days then there would be with 1@28 being the for hire regulation .
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Where do you live? I see most Charters getting more than 2, more than 32". To keep one & C&R the rest goes in the right direction.

[Sundowner]

This is ridiculous. Let's end a species or reduce it to the point that we have to have this argument so that some people can have 2 instead of one. This is the problem with humanity-take take take till there is nothing left to give. There are plenty of other fish in this ocean that fight harder and taste better (never mind the mercury) than striper. You want two stripers instead of one, buy a fishing pole and catch it your damn self tomorrow.

Like I believe someone mentioned, did we get into fishing to make money or memories? What would the person who took you fishing for the first time say?

And if a charter can't catch fish over 28, 33 whatever, either you suck or there aren't any fish, pick one and re-evaluate.

[Nebe]

Better yet... What are your grand kids gonna say?
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[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Better yet... What are your grand kids gonna say?
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"gramps what were striped bass?"

[Sea Dangles]

Why take a bass charter in Mass Bay to "fight" 2 fish that weigh 15 lbs each anyhow? If that is an unlikely scenario or considered a good day,then it seems a tough sell Buck.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Where do you live? I see most Charters getting more than 2, more than 32". To keep one & C&R the rest goes in the right direction.

Boats in green harbor . Live in Brant Rock .
No ground fish for us next year .
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[scottw]

has anyone actually seen or talked to one of these mythical clients who won't go fishing if they can't kill 2 bass....they are sure talked about quite a bit and causing quite a fuss, hell, we're working pretty hard to make special exceptions just for them... but I don't believe ever I've seen one weigh in on the subject anywhere....starting to wonder if they really exist

[Linesider82]

Originally Posted by scottw

has anyone actually seen or talked to one of these mythical clients who won't go fishing if they can't kill 2 bass....they are sure talked about quite a bit and causing quite a fuss, hell, we're working pretty hard to make special exceptions just for them... but I don't believe ever I've seen one weigh in on the subject anywhere....starting to wonder if they really exist

Scott there are actually clients like that. A friend of mine is a mate on a boat that runs 225-250 tpy

I asked him that question and he said they have four to eight trips a year where the client wants to go out, limit out, and immediately return to the dock.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Linesider82

Scott there are actually clients like that. A friend of mine is a mate on a boat that runs 225-250 tpy

I asked him that question and he said they have four to eight trips a year where the client wants to go out, limit out, and immediately return to the dock.
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a bit tongue in cheek as it is the user group that all of this is about and the one that is seemingly absent in body and voice from the debate....that's the first attempt I've seen to quantify them...so we should keep a two fish bag limit for 225-250 trips a year so that approx. 2% who won't fish without the knowledge that they can keep two fish can have their fish?....and complicate the entire process....makes perfect sense....again...if it's so vitally important to this user group....it would be good to actually hear from "them">>> I suspect many of the don't even know the discussions are going on....lot's of data and evidence out there as to the decline....not much of either as to the whereabouts of the 2 bass or bust anglers