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[Mike P]

Originally Posted by scottw

which problem?..and what rules were broken?

the rule states that and angler must declare one or the other status at the time of registration, which makes sense, I'm pretty sure that was done...I've not seen a rule that states that an unaffiliated angler may not (affiliate) join a team during the several months of the tournament and in fact, OTW made it quite clear that this is done regularly and MikeP acknowledged the fact that there is precedence.....an unaffifiated angler joining a team has no idea as to whether he/she is going to catch a fish of consequence after joining a team(which are the only fish that may count in the standings)....what exactly is the problem?

It's not quite what I said---in the SB team case, two anglers who contributed heavily to our winning year joined the tournament in mid-July. They weren't previously in as individuals, and then joined a team. I still think that club rosters should be set either at the start, or within the first month of it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I still think that club rosters should be set either at the start, or within the first month of it.

just doesn't make any sense...the tournament is months long and actually a series of weekly/monthly tournaments...OTW allows registration throughout the tournament(which makes perfect sense given the nature of the tournament and for maximum participation).... I'm sure that many anglers decide to register throughout the season as a result of joining a club or encouragement from a competing team, your rules would not allow new registrants after the first day (or month) to join a club/team which might discourage participation, which I'm sure is not the goal of OTW....if you make an exception for new registrants and allow them to affiliate with clubs/teams after one of your dates, it hardly seems justifiable to allow them(new registrants) to join a team after one of your dates while not allowing previously registered but unaffilitated anglers to affiliate, the only difference between the two is the date on their registration.....and in both cases, as long as any fish that is being entered is caught after the date of registration/affiliation, why would it matter ???????

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by scottw

just doesn't make any sense...the tournament is months long and actually a series of weekly/monthly tournaments...OTW allows registration throughout the tournament(which makes perfect sense given the nature of the tournament and for maximum participation).... I'm sure that many anglers decide to register throughout the season as a result of joining a club or encouragement from a competing team, your rules would not allow new registrants after the first day (or month) to join a club/team which might discourage participation, which I'm sure is not the goal of OTW....if you make an exception for new registrants and allow them to affiliate with clubs/teams after one of your dates, it hardly seems justifiable to allow them(new registrants) to join a team after one of your dates while not allowing previously registered but unaffilitated anglers to affiliate, the only difference between the two is the date on their registration.....and in both cases, as long as any fish that is being entered is caught after the date of registration/affiliation, why would it matter ???????

Because the club tournament is run separately from the individual one, with separate standings. Ideally, it would be limited to legitimate fishing clubs, like the Schaeffer Cup was, with membership rosters and meeting halls. With dues, and by-laws, and all the rest of the trappings of fishing clubs. Perhaps even a vote among existing members on new members. Then, you could allow adding members to the team roster, after they join a real club. But since they allow, in effect, "pick-up" teams, there has to be a cut-off date to make it a fair contest. If I'm a heavy hitter, I can sit on the sidelines, see how the standings shape up, and then offer my "services" to a team that wants to make a mid-tournament push on a team that's been together since the start. Why does every professional sports league have a trading deadline?

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

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[Raven]

Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

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sounds like passing a kidney stone

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it melts them if they are small

[Saltheart]

So a heavy hitter (Someone known to catch lots of big fish every year) can join as unaffiliated , enter fish as an independent to be sure he's got some in there for some prizes , then wait for the season to progress and see how the team totals tally up. Then near the end , when its getting obvious who the winner or at least top 3 will be , he can jump in and join a garanteed winning or high placing team. I'm not saying he did that but the exceptions made to allow moving from unaffiliated to affiliated would allow this.

I've posted the rule twice in purple. Its apparant that people interpret this differently than me. To me it says when you join you decide if you are an independent or a team member. To me that's it , that's what you are for the tournament. Why even have such a rule if you can jump around from unaffiliated to affiliated during the contest? Yes I know the slippery slope was started with exceptions in the past and that those exceptions even involved S-B team people. As I said earlier, if you do something once it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way forever.

The integrity of the tournament is bound to adherence to the rules by both the participants and the organizers. Making exceptions or looking for supreme court type loop holes to simple fishing tournament rules casts a shadow over things that some may not care about but that others might.

I joined the tournament the first year simply to be able to go to the party at the end at Harpoon Brewery (I think it was Harpoon?). I got a pin and a golden raffle ticket and Smokey and I had good food and beer at the party. We ran into all the usual hard core guys ( even56456) at the party so it was a good social event like TFCTFN and MSBA etc. I suppose expecting or even caring about any more than that is a mistake.

I rest my case.

[Sea Dangles]

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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

So a heavy hitter (Someone known to catch lots of big fish every year) can join as unaffiliated , enter fish as an independent to be sure he's got some in there for some prizes , then wait for the season to progress and see how the team totals tally up. Then near the end , when its getting obvious who the winner or at least top 3 will be , he can jump in and join a garanteed winning or high placing team. I'm not saying he did that but the exceptions made to allow moving from unaffiliated to affiliated would allow this. you have been long on speculation and short on facts through the entire discussion

I've posted the rule twice in purple. Its apparant that people interpret this differently than me. To me it says when you join you decide if you are an independent or a team member. To me that's it , that's what you are for the tournament.does it say this in purple?
Why even have such a rule if you can jump around from unaffiliated to affiliated during the contest? because tournament organizers need to know where to slot your fish when you register Yes I know the slippery slope was started with exceptions in the past and that those exceptions even involved S-B team people. As I said earlier, if you do something once it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way forever.it appears to be pretty common rather than an "exception" or a "breaking of the rules"

The integrity of the tournament is bound to adherence to the rules by both the participants and the organizers. Making exceptions or looking for supreme court type loop holes to simple fishing tournament rules casts a shadow over things that some may not care about but that others might. those would be the people who "couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& "

I joined the tournament the first year simply to be able to go to the party at the end at Harpoon Brewery (I think it was Harpoon?). I got a pin and a golden raffle ticket and Smokey and I had good food and beer at the party. We ran into all the usual hard core guys ( even #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&) at the party so it was a good social event like TFCTFN and MSBA etc. I suppose expecting or even caring about any more than that is a mistake. I wonder how many harsh critics of the tournament will be at the party?


I rest my case.

we'll see.............................

[RIJIMMY]

I'm just glad BassDawg chimed in.

[big jay]

Good lord - you guys really need to fish more.

I'm sure Myerson joined Team Striper for the same reason everyone else did (and the reason I lie every year and say I did) - he was just trying to shut up Everin and keep him from chewing on his leg when he gets hammered.

Go fishing - it's actually fun.

[Saltheart]

I also understand the complications involved for the chief cook and bottle washer and sympathize with him.