Snowden

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Why should the government be concerned about his having proper papers if he drifts into US airspace? It hasn't been very concerned about 11 million (or much more) aliens drifting into US landspace without proper papers.

What is "interesting" is the effort to go after this guy for exposing the depth of what most of us, and the terrorists, assume--that the government is spying on us, but the effort pales to go after and prevent those "undocumented" folks from residing here and having a far greater effect on our economy, government expenditure, health care and educational facilities, and even our security, than Snowden's little gambit.

More than quite a few economists believe that the illegal immigrants who participate in the workforce have a net positive impact on the US economy. More growth with lower inflation...

To compare this with a single person breaking the law to expose what are known as lawful programs and doing some pretty serious harm to US interests doesn't make a lot of sense.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

More than quite a few

Wow . . . Congrats on creating a new locution (or one I don't remember hearing) meaning . . . well, I'm not quite sure . . . a whole lot? Scads? Gazillions? Just so many that it must be true?

economists


Oh yeah . . . economists . . . those "experts" who can't all agree on economic predictions, outcomes, or realities. Unless, perhaps, if more than quite a few say so.


believe that the illegal immigrants who participate in the workforce

Ah . . . let us ignore the millions who don't and who tap into various welfare schemes subsidized by the rest of us, and the more than quite a few who participate in various forms of crime and havoc.

have a net positive impact on the US economy. More growth with lower inflation...

Hmmm . . . illegals have a positive (more positive?) impact on the US economy than legal folks? And more than the 50 million that were aborted could have had? Oookay . . . now I get it. Create a welfare state where legal citizens can comfortably choose to be a drag on the "economy" by not "participating" in the workforce and make it easy and accessible to get abortions, then encourage illegals to take their and the aborted children's place, at a suppressed wage and this will have net positive results.

And then the second and third generations born to the illegals can catch on to the subsidy train and not participate in the workforce and even larger waves of illegals will be necessary to create enough growth to subsidize the more than quite a few more non-participating population.

Gotta love the great insights of the economists that have helped us to create more than quite a few trillions of dollars in debt.

To compare this with a single person breaking the law to expose what are known as lawful programs and doing some pretty serious harm to US interests doesn't make a lot of sense.

-spence

Yes, to compare all the above, and more than quite a few consequences of illegal immigration on U.S. interests doesn't even begin to calculate the net positive on the U.S. economy.

Snowden, "the single person breaking the law" (which, I believe, every single person among the illegal immigrants did) and who exposed "what are known" as "lawful programs" (which run counter to the Constitution) is obviously a far greater, more than quite far, danger to U.S. interest.

Ergo, bring in the illegals, and fry the poor slob who exposed the State's methods. The treatment the State gives to one as opposed to the other exposes another of its "secret" agendas.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

More than quite a few economists believe

-spence

you concocted a new lame(variation) Spencism...congratulations

sorry, I hadn't read Detbuch....

More than quite a few economists would also tell you that legal citizens who participate in the workforce rather than collecting welfare, foodstamps, disability have an even greater net positive impact on the US economy than illegals who don't pay taxes and send a large portion of their income out of the country and drain our medical system resources, safety nets and live in many cases unaccountable to society .

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

To compare this with a single person breaking the law to expose the excesses of an administration's misuse of what are perceived as lawful programs after berating the previous administration for claimed abuses that were far less in scope and size and possibly doing some harm to US interests doesn't make a lot of sense although it does highlight the distraction that the administration seems to have in monitoring and controlling the lives of ordinary law abiding citizens while turning a blind eye and/or a helping hand to the not so law abiding non-citizens.

-spence

fixed it



c'mon...more than quite a lot of a few related to many are almost positively certain nearly all of the time that the Snowden accident is little more than a media created and driven scandal that is almost certainly as ascertained by nearly every expert in the field as the result of a little "poor management" by someone(s) who has no ties whatsoever to the administration or it's superlative in every way officials with impressive resumes appointed and guided by an infallible President and it's nothing more than that....move along.....pfffftttt

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

More than quite a few economists believe that the illegal immigrants who participate in the workforce have a net positive impact on the US economy. More growth with lower inflation...


-spence

This is off topic here, but the thread seems to have died anyway-- Spence, I've wondered if you subscribe to the belief of these economists, and if so does that correlate to lower wages creating lower prices--lower inflation? I recall a previous thread where you disagreed with that correlation.

Or is it just a context thing--lower wages garnered by illegals within an economy being different contextually, than lower wages earned by legal citizens?

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This is off topic here, but the thread seems to have died anyway-- Spence, I've wondered if you subscribe to the belief of these economists, and if so does that correlate to lower wages creating lower prices--lower inflation? I recall a previous thread where you disagreed with that correlation.

Or is it just a context thing--lower wages garnered by illegals within an economy being different contextually, than lower wages earned by legal citizens?

I'm not sure I understand the question. There are many variables here...

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure I understand the question. There are many variables here...

-spence

Most questions have many variables as well as answers which differ dependent on context and perception. Therefor, I suppose, most questions might be difficult for you to understand.

Different contexts and variables also apply to the understanding of statements as well as questions. Your statements, especially those many which are one or two line quips with little to no direct expositive content, are fraught with numerous contextual variables making it difficult, if not impossible, to comprehend in a definite, meaningful way . . . . . . . . . .

But that is the problem with relativistic discourse . . . . . .

Everything is relative, there are no absolutes, ideas shift in diverging ways and cannot coalesce in concrete agreement . . . . . . . .

I tried to restrict the question within the confines of your stated context of illegal immigrants having a net positive impact on the U.S. economy--MORE GROWTH WITH LOWER INFLATION. And I queried if there would be a difference if legal citizens worked under similar conditions that illegal immigrants do in creating more growth and lower inflation. Or if there was something intrinsically different about legal vs. illegal in the context of creating more growth and less inflation if they both worked for the same pay . . . . . .

If there is no difference on the economy whether the work is done by legals or illegals if done for the same pay, is there then, a correlation between prices and wages in such a way that overall lower wages would demand overall lower prices? I recalled a previous thread where you seemed to disagree with such a correlation . . . . . . .