Obamacare cancelled by White House until 2015

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's not cancelled, they just delayed one part of a provision. From what I've read it's not that big of a deal.
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Let's try to be a little bit honest here.

The part being delayed, is the part that requires small and medium businesses to provide Obamacare to employees, or face fines. That piece of the bill impacts a huge number of Americans who own or work at small businesses.

Spence, if the administration concedes that implementing that part of the bill before a key election (Democrats defending 21 Senate seats, GOP only 14) is not in their best interests, isn't that tantamount to the administration conceding that it's a terrible idea?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The part being delayed, is the part that requires small and medium businesses to provide Obamacare to employees, or face fines. That piece of the bill impacts a huge number of Americans who own or work at small businesses.

That's not true. The year delay is for the entire mandate which exempts most small business. Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers.

Hence, not a huge deal.

Spence, if the administration concedes that implementing that part of the bill before a key election (Democrats defending 21 Senate seats, GOP only 14) is not in their best interests, isn't that tantamount to the administration conceding that it's a terrible idea?

No, it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it.
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[Fly Rod]

10 to 12 states have basically bowed out of Obama's healthcare due to the expansion of medicaid of which will leave the poor without insurance. If you take the government poverty level $11,400 single and $23,500 for family of four can only get coverage through obamacare medicaid expansion. Read the other day where 2 out of 3 poor people will not have insurance. Also the claim is that about 62 percent of young people will not get on board. there are other states that may bow out too leaving obama care in shambles.

What happened to Obamas promise that we would have coverage just like him???? I'm sure most of us remember that, sure one person will twist it and I wonder who that is.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not true. The year delay is for the entire mandate which exempts most small business. Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers.

Hence, not a huge deal.



No, it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it.
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"Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers"

Is it that high? if so, how do we have so many uninsured? Got data to support that?

" it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it"

They've had what, 3 or 4 years to get ready? So it's just a coincidence that the Obama administration took off the table, the issue that single-handedly led to an ass-whooping in the 2010 midterms, in advance of the 2014 midterms. Just a coincidence, nothing to see there?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers"

Is it that high? if so, how do we have so many uninsured? Got data to support that?

The majority of the employed in this country work for companies that have fewer than 50ees.

The centerpiece of the program is the individual mandate, not this piece.

I'm sure the midterm elections played a small part in the decision.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The majority of the employed in this country work for companies that have fewer than 50ees.

The centerpiece of the program is the individual mandate, not this piece.

I'm sure the midterm elections played a small part in the decision.

Fair enough...

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The majority of the employed in this country work for companies that have fewer than 50ees.

That's not true, the slight majority work for companies with fewer than 500 employees.

-spence

[scottw]

this is great.....

‘The fiasco for the ages’.....at the very least

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...co-ages/print/

remember also that those not working(leaving the workforce) or working part time is increasing and overall, those dependent on some sort of government assistance is increasing...those with good paying full time jobs to create the revenue to support these programs is decreasing...

"Of the 144 million Americans employed last month, only 116 million were working full-time. Friday's report showed that 58.7% of the civilian adult population of 245 million was working last month. Only 47% of Americans, however, had a full-time job.

The market's positive reaction to Friday's report is another sign of how far our economic expectations have fallen. If today the same proportion of Americans worked as just a decade ago, there would be almost 9 million more people working. Just in the last year, almost 2 million Americans have left the labor force. With a majority of the population not holding a full-time job, it isn't surprising that economic growth has been so weak.

In June, the number of Americans who wanted to work full-time, but were forced into part-time jobs because of the economy, jumped 352,000 to over 8 million."


I'll say it for him...."that's not true!!!"

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not true

-spence

we can now accurately say this regarding just about everything Obama, his administration and the dems told us about Obamacare before they rammed it through

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not true. The year delay is for the entire mandate which exempts most small business. Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers.

Hence, not a huge deal.



No, it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it.
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Spence, many of the employees already covered by their employers are going to end up on the Obamacare plan because they don't make enough money to continue with their employer sponsored plan.

You throw numbers out there that look nice for your argument, but you haven't done any research to know what the real ramifications of the plan are for both the employers and the employees.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Spence, many of the employees already covered by their employers are going to end up on the Obamacare plan because they don't make enough money to continue with their employer sponsored plan.

You throw numbers out there that look nice for your argument, but you haven't done any research to know what the real ramifications of the plan are for both the employers and the employees.

I located the problem...

Originally Posted by spence

From what I've read it's not that big of a deal.

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[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Spence, many of the employees already covered by their employers are going to end up on the Obamacare plan because they don't make enough money to continue with their employer sponsored plan.

You throw numbers out there that look nice for your argument, but you haven't done any research to know what the real ramifications of the plan are for both the employers and the employees.

What does this have to do with a 1 year extension on the employee mandate?

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

What does this have to do with a 1 year extension on the employee mandate?

-spence

Re-elections
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Re-elections
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Context.

-spence

[scottw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by fishbones View Post
Spence, many of the employees already covered by their employers are going to end up on the Obamacare plan because they don't make enough money to continue with their employer sponsored plan.

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What does this have to do with a 1 year extension on the employee mandate?

-spence


they need to delay it to get past the election because the cluster bleep that is obamacare is not yet prepared to handle the mess(and will never be) that will result if the mandate goes into effect when it was required to and then leading up to the mid-terms...could be a slaughter....




"that's not true"

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Re-elections
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, plus the fact it's so complicated it can't be implemented.
I would bet there are few, if any even now, that read and understand it in it's
entirety.
I doubt even an Obamacare for Dummies Book could simplify it.