Is Iraq going to fall?

[PaulS]

Jim - if I remember correctly Sadam was starting to give the inspectors a lot more cooperation near the end once it was obvious we were heading down the road to invasion. I don't think a little more time would have hurt anything.

I don't know if it was a honest mistake or deception but the admin. did have blinders on.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Much of Bush's inner circle didn't want him to even go to the UN because they feared it would stop the process. They did it only for legitimacy, and abandoned it when it became clear that Hans Blix was heading towards a call of no WMD.

There certainly is debate if the US complied with international law by moving forward with the invasion.

-spence

(1) then a lot of other countries violated international law with us, because we were not the only ones there.

(2) if you are a stickler for sticking to international law, why do you suppose your hero rolled over like a dog when Putin seized Crimea?

Have fun with that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim - if I remember correctly Sadam was starting to give the inspectors a lot more cooperation near the end once it was obvious we were heading down the road to invasion. I don't think a little more time would have hurt anything.

I don't know if it was a honest mistake or deception but the admin. did have blinders on.

"if I remember correctly Sadam was starting to give the inspectors a lot more cooperation near the end "

Maybe. But he was still defiant, right up to the end. He was not giving the inspectors everything they asked for. And that was what he was required to do, under his surrender terms from the first Gulf War.

"admin. did have blinders on"

I think the administration (and a LOT of Democrats in the Senate) concluded he had WMDs. But Bush was not hell-bent on invasion, he gave Saddam too many chances to avoid it.

It wasn't deception, someone would have blown the whistle.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

(1) then a lot of other countries violated international law with us, because we were not the only ones there.

(2) if you are a stickler for sticking to international law, why do you suppose your hero rolled over like a dog when Putin seized Crimea?

Have fun with that.

Why do you say "have fun with that" like you've made some brilliant point?

We weren't alone in 2003 but the list is pretty short.

As for Crimea, yes Russia likely broke international law. With everything, there's only so much you can do. Was Obama supposed to bomb the covert Russian troops?

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim - if I remember correctly Sadam was starting to give the inspectors a lot more cooperation near the end once it was obvious we were heading down the road to invasion. I don't think a little more time would have hurt anything.

Blix certainly did say that they were getting enough access to do their job...that's why he was demonized by the Right, shoot the messenger.

-spence

[justplugit]

No need to worry. Obama is forming a commission to see what action can be taken. Great forward planning knowing this scenario could or would happen.
Another typical leading from behind move. A day late and a dollar short.

[Raven]

the people that are humble and good will either flee or be murdered

it's the "other's" that will overtake the country with pure evil and violence
that i was directing my comment towards... the terrorists...

i see your point tho....i'm just a stupid American with limited perspective

however.... our Government doesn't ask our citizen's permission or ask their opinions when they SPEND our TAX Dollars when out democratizing these
foreign countries ....

and granted i lean towards ISOLATIONISM completely

but it's time for change.... AMERICANS have paid their dues in blood.

i remember a Statement from one of them that said "Our sands will be littered with your arms and legs" and that has come to pass....

it all pisses me off to NO END....the tribes have been fighting one another for a thousand years and we should NOT intervene... at our own risk

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Why do you say "have fun with that" like you've made some brilliant point?

We weren't alone in 2003 but the list is pretty short.

As for Crimea, yes Russia likely broke international law. With everything, there's only so much you can do. Was Obama supposed to bomb the covert Russian troops?

-spence

"We weren't alone in 2003 but the list is pretty short."

Before you blindly and thoughtlessly defend your side every time, try getting some facts first. From one site, a list of 21 countries that had troops in Iraq with us. I knew of 14 off the top of my head...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita..._coalition.htm

"Was Obama supposed to bomb the covert Russian troops? "

I didn't hear many people at all support that. But it projects weakness when he stands there like a eunuch.

Here is what he was "supposed to do". When he campaigned, I kept hearing that because Obama (unlike Bush) was an intellectual instead of a cowboy, and because he was such a cosmopolitan and enlightened Nobel laureate, because he was pot-partisan and even post-racial (he's above such mundane things, you see) he was going to repair all the damage done by Bush and bring everyone in the world together in a collective hug. He would solve problems by making everyone love us...

[Raven]

OBAMA the HYPOCRITE of ALL TIME

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"We weren't alone in 2003 but the list is pretty short."

Before you blindly and thoughtlessly defend your side every time, try getting some facts first. From one site, a list of 21 countries that had troops in Iraq with us. I knew of 14 off the top of my head...

httqp://www.globalsecurity.org/milit..._coalition.htm

I said in 2003 not 2006. I believe the invading coalition was only 5 countries not including the Kurds...

You jumpeth too fast.
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[Nebe]

"Coalition of the willing".
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

"Coalition of the willing".
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Original phrase credited to President Clinton

Bush's....
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