Troops going back to Iraq

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

They will always be able to send more terrorists back here. It is not a dishonor to my many fellow servicemen that have fallen to close the embassy and come home. The mission was never to take over the country or control it. Eventually we have to allow the folks who live there to choose their path.

Where I live, the point of the Surge, the only point of the Surge, was to defeat the insurgetnts and restore stability. Even Obama eventually had to admit that the Surge was a spectacular success. And it came at a cost of American blood.

I was there, and politics aside, I can't imagine anyone else who was there, not feeling like it was all for nothing, if this incompetent will allow Iraq to descend back into chaos. Thanks to the Surge, Obama inherited a relatively stable Iraq. On his watch, it is crumbling.

"Eventually we have to allow the folks who live there to choose their path."

Oh, is that what's happening? I thought terrorists were killing everyone not on their side, and violently taking control? Where do yo uget you rinformation from? One of us has been badly misinformed.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Where I live, the point of the Surge, the only point of the Surge, was to defeat the insurgetnts and restore stability. Even Obama eventually had to admit that the Surge was a spectacular success. And it came at a cost of American blood.

I was there, and politics aside, I can't imagine anyone else who was there, not feeling like it was all for nothing, if this incompetent will allow Iraq to descend back into chaos. Thanks to the Surge, Obama inherited a relatively stable Iraq. On his watch, it is crumbling.

"Eventually we have to allow the folks who live there to choose their path."

Oh, is that what's happening? I thought terrorists were killing everyone not on their side, and violently taking control? Where do yo uget you rinformation from? One of us has been badly misinformed.

Hey I lost friends there too... Policy changed under Obama, he pulled everyone out, left the state with an Embassy pressence only.
To escalate from an Embassy pressence to an army defending against ISIS who has already taken ALOT if the northern part of Iraq, is not feasible under our current administration.

I see Iraq and I feel we are going down the same route we did with Egypt and Libya where our strikes and actions helped the Muslim Brotherhood remove one bad guy and replace it with a mess of crap breeding ground for more terrorists.

Bottom line is I think the policy of the current President has let it deteriorate to an extent where there is no way to win. It's either by design or negligence, but its at the stage where, our only option is to close the Embassy and wait it out. Maybe in a few years we will have a leader that can engage in foreign policy, both in word and deed that will be able to work these things out, but for now, we'd be stupid to put our finest in harms way in Iraq, where the administration won't support them and won't let them do their job.

Close the Embassy bring the Embassador home before our Wonderous Leader repeats Banghazi again, this time with 100s dead instead of 3 or 4.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Hey I lost friends there too... Policy changed under Obama, he pulled everyone out, left the state with an Embassy pressence only.
To escalate from an Embassy pressence to an army defending against ISIS who has already taken ALOT if the northern part of Iraq, is not feasible under our current administration.

I see Iraq and I feel we are going down the same route we did with Egypt and Libya where our strikes and actions helped the Muslim Brotherhood remove one bad guy and replace it with a mess of crap breeding ground for more terrorists.

Bottom line is I think the policy of the current President has let it deteriorate to an extent where there is no way to win. It's either by design or negligence, but its at the stage where, our only option is to close the Embassy and wait it out. Maybe in a few years we will have a leader that can engage in foreign policy, both in word and deed that will be able to work these things out, but for now, we'd be stupid to put our finest in harms way in Iraq, where the administration won't support them and won't let them do their job.

Close the Embassy bring the Embassador home before our Wonderous Leader repeats Banghazi again, this time with 100s dead instead of 3 or 4.

"Hey I lost friends there too" God bless you and them.

"Policy changed under Obama, he pulled everyone out"

To be fair to Obama, the timeline for withdraw that he followed, I believe, was put in place by Bush. But Obama executed it, and he did that despite many experts suggesting that he was opening the door for exactly what is happening.

"remove one bad guy and replace it with a mess of crap breeding ground for more terrorists."

But after the Surge, there were free elections, and the people who voted, didn't elect hard-liners to any position that mattered. Moderates were winning everywhere. It looked like it was on the right track. But as you aid, at some point we need to turn it over to them. I just don't think we did it at a wise point in time.

"Close the Embassy bring the Embassador home "

But if the terrorists take over, they have a sovereign state. having access to a sovereign state (Afghanistan) led to 09/11. So isn't it in our vital interest to make sure that doesn't happen?