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02-22-2015, 07:17 PM
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Too old to give a....
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Ea$y $imple an$wer.
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02-22-2015, 08:07 PM
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Pete K.
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Have you ever seen an oblivious moron driving while loudly dragging a hanging muffler, or driving full speed on a obviously flat tire? Some people continue to ignore a major problem and just drive instead of pulling over to see whats wrong. As long as the car can move forward, they push it ... Until it totally dies and they cant drive it another inch .
The only difference here is , we all partially own the car the moron is driving.
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02-22-2015, 09:52 PM
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Location: S. Jersey Shore
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On the drive home from Surfday yesterday with 2 kids from the shop (well they are in their mid 20's) the subject came up about the last 2 seasons. To my surprise one said it's time for a moratorium, 0 fish, C&R only for at least 3 years. He fishes hard and sees what is happening, not like one of the guys I fished next to all the lean years in the early 80"s and is the one who is responsible for the status quo of 2 fish in Jersey! Some of us may be old and wise but some old and stupid!
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02-22-2015, 11:39 PM
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Location: Mansfield
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Originally Posted by ivanputski
Have you ever seen an oblivious moron driving while loudly dragging a hanging muffler, or driving full speed on a obviously flat tire? Some people continue to ignore a major problem and just drive instead of pulling over to see whats wrong. As long as the car can move forward, they push it ... Until it totally dies and they cant drive it another inch .
The only difference here is , we all partially own the car the moron is driving.
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So who are the morons by your definition ?
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02-23-2015, 01:02 AM
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Pete K.
Join Date: Jun 2007
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ANYONE who refuses to admit that the striped bass population is in decline ( in major part) due to overfishing, and wants to continue keeping fish at the same rate.
Thats my answer to your question, but i told you in another thread im done going back and forth with you. I am set that theres a problem , youre set that there isnt. Done.
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02-23-2015, 07:47 AM
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"Fishbucket"
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bahston Hahbah
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Originally Posted by ivanputski
ANYONE who refuses to admit that the striped bass population is in decline ( in major part) due to overfishing, and wants to continue keeping fish at the same rate.
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02-23-2015, 07:58 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: South Kingstown, RI
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Originally Posted by Sgt Striper
On the drive home from Surfday yesterday with 2 kids from the shop (well they are in their mid 20's) the subject came up about the last 2 seasons. To my surprise one said it's time for a moratorium, 0 fish, C&R only for at least 3 years. He fishes hard and sees what is happening, not like one of the guys I fished next to all the lean years in the early 80"s and is the one who is responsible for the status quo of 2 fish in Jersey! Some of us may be old and wise but some old and stupid!
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It most definitely is time for a moratorium. I don't understand why this hasnt been pushed more. Or its time for the striper to become a "gamefish". Stop the commercial and rec, (and charters...), from killing any fish. My generation is getting screwed because of the greed. I am willing to bet that a group of anglers in their 20's, would all say they would prefer conservation over consumption. |
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02-23-2015, 07:59 AM
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Location: SOCO
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Yeah, and everyone but a couple agree that two fish at 32 for charters will be essentially NO change in the number of fish taken from that group, just business as usual.
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02-23-2015, 08:53 AM
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Location: Mansfield
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanputski
ANYONE who refuses to admit that the striped bass population is in decline ( in major part) due to overfishing, and wants to continue keeping fish at the same rate.
Thats my answer to your question, but i told you in another thread im done going back and forth with you. I am set that theres a problem , youre set that there isnt. Done.
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I considerate one somebody who forms opinions about other categories that fish for stripe bass without ever being in their shoes it feels to keep an open mind because they think they know better than everybody else.
FYI every category is making adjustments.
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02-23-2015, 08:57 AM
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Very Grumpy bay man
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Location: Rhode Island
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Ea$y $imple an$wer.
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I really believe the answer is GAME FISH STATUS!
No kill for the next 3 years, no commercial ever again and make the fish a game fish with NO commercial sale or commercial (restaurant or market) consumption. This would also solve the "black market" as if you can't buy it in an eating establishment, the black market would almost disappear.
Florida did it with Snook and Tarpon and no have a world class fishery. |
No boat, back in the suds.  
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02-23-2015, 09:09 AM
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Location: Mansfield
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Originally Posted by piemma
I really believe the answer is GAME FISH STATUS!
No kill for the next 3 years, no commercial ever again and make the fish a game fish with NO commercial sale or commercial (restaurant or market) consumption. This would also solve the "black market" as if you can't buy it in an eating establishment, the black market would almost disappear.
Florida did it with Snook and Tarpon and no have a world class fishery.
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Want to buy a beautiful downeast charter boat ? You'll do well selling the experience 
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02-23-2015, 09:12 AM
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Pete K.
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Buckman... buddy... read the first word of my response.
ANYONE... be it rec, charter, my father, WHOEVER.
Geez this is worse than talking politics at thanksgiving dinner with my aunt
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02-23-2015, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
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they think they know better than everybody else.
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Not everybody else. Just a tiny, but very influential faction and the regulators they manipulate. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-23-2015, 09:43 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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The reason I posted this old column was to give historical perspective on how various states approached the issue and just how contentious it was. I remember going to this meeting and many, many, others. I spoke often with Dawson and Othote about the issue. Trap fisherman George Mendonsa was unapproachable, and at one point he and other commercial striped bass representatives on the council ran afoul of state “conflict of interest” laws but were later cleared. One of the major differences between then and now was that the entire rec community united for more conservative regs. For the record I don’t believe current striped bass fishing to be as bad as it was back then – yet. But I’m convinced that if fishermen back then had the benefit of today’s fish finding electronics technology and social media, then the bass would have taken even longer to recover or may not have recovered at all.
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DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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02-23-2015, 10:24 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
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Originally Posted by DZ
For the record I don’t believe current striped bass fishing to be as bad as it was back then – yet.
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It isn't as bad, yet. That is why we need major action now. I was a kid during the moratorium days. I spent summers on the upper Chesapeake. My dad talked about how they used to catch stripers on the bay in the 50, 60's, and 70's. That was as foreign to me as the concept of elk being common in the east 250 years ago. The first stripers we saw on the bay post collapse was around 1987 and all of the adults were elated.
My uncle is still on the bay from May-Nov and he reports that the past fall was good. This is always pretty much exclusively a schoolie fishery and the 2011 class is strong. There is a chance to prevent a collapse and that is the point. Reactive management is almost universally ineffective. If that 2011 class gets hammered in a couple of years and the big fish continue to be picked off by the boats, it is over. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-23-2015, 12:43 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kingston, Ma
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I just read the article and the name lou othote slapped me in the face as he is a dear friend and we fish often together, even commercially and immediately called him as he doesnt use computers and got his perspective on the then vs now similarities/ differences.
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02-23-2015, 12:48 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redlite
I just read the article and the name lou othote slapped me in the face as he is a dear friend and we fish often together, even commercially and immediately called him as he doesnt use computers and got his perspective on the then vs now similarities/ differences.
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Wow - please give him my regards red. |
DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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02-23-2015, 01:46 PM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redlite
I just read the article and the name lou othote slapped me in the face as he is a dear friend and we fish often together, even commercially and immediately called him as he doesnt use computers and got his perspective on the then vs now similarities/ differences.
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Next time you talk to Lou, mention my name. Lou and I were duck hunting partners in the 70s. Old, dear friend. |
No boat, back in the suds.
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02-23-2015, 03:01 PM
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Location: Kingston, Ma
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Dz and paul will do.
He is a good man.
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02-26-2015, 11:52 AM
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Super Moderator
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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