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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's not "me". You are saying that Obama's Bureau Of Labor Statistics, in addition to the Wall Street Journal and the National Association of Certified Public Accountants, are all wrong.

Let's see that CNN study? If it simply shows that all women who work "full time" earn 77% of what "men who work full time" earn, that is bullsh*t. If yuo can show me that women who work the same number of hours at the same job as men, still earn substantially less, then you have a point.

If there's a gender pay gap, I want to fix it. But the simple fact that "women get paid less than men" doesn't even come close to establishing that theory. Sorry if that spits in th eface of yoru agenda. I'm not reacting to ideology here, just the facts I posted (and I could have posted dozens more).

Try making that wrong.

The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
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I don't think the equal pay thing is truly a question of "rights." There is no natural or "unalienable" right to equal pay. And the legalized, government mandated equal pay thing was settled by the Equal Pay Act of 1963. If a women is discriminated by lesser pay for equal work in equal job with equal skill, she can sue and win. And she could be granted a sizable sum, which most employers probably would not want to be liable for.

I am not sure what government can do in terms of rights, if women don't sue, except to create a separate agency with thousands of marshals to constantly monitor business in the country.

Where problems exist, they might be more a cultural issue than a rights issue.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't think the equal pay thing is truly a question of "rights." There is no natural or "unalienable" right to equal pay. And the legalized, government mandated equal pay thing was settled by the Equal Pay Act of 1963. If a women is discriminated by lesser pay for equal work in equal job with equal skill, she can sue and win. And she could be granted a sizable sum, which most employers probably would not want to be liable for.

I am not sure what government can do in terms of rights, if women don't sue, except to create a separate agency with thousands of marshals to constantly monitor business in the country.

Where problems exist, they might be more a cultural issue than a rights issue.

The Constitution says it's illegal to discriminate based on gender. If that pay gap actually existed, women could sue, and would win. The fact that Gloria Allred isn't involved exclusively in those lawsuits, tells me that it's not a real issue.

From what I have seen, the only statistic that shows women earn less tahn men, is if you compare all women to all men, which ignores the fact that men work more hours and are far more likely to pursue the most lucrative professions. Those professions don't have gender-based barriers to entry. It just reflects free choices that women in our clulture make.

Sea Dangles, you say you are a pro-choice Republican. If women earn less solely because they freely choose to work less hours, or because they freely choose less lucrative professions, I'd think you'd be celebrating their ability to make the choices that are the right fit for them.

Here's another article, written by a woman, who presumably would not be happy if there was an actual gender pay gap...this is a good read, takes 2 minutes...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...than-men.html#

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
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"it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs"

Correct, that should be the focus. And in what should be good news for you, when we look at pay by gender through that lens, there is no pay gap in any study I have ever seen. When you compare comparable groups of men and women (same occupation, working same hours, with same experience), pay between men and women isn't menaingfully different.

If you could post a study showing that women earn less than comparable men, that would be helpful.

"My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA." Then presumably you think they are reputable organizations, and you might give credibility to their conclusion that there is no gender pay gap in this country, when you look at comparable groups of men and women.

Yes, men who are hedge fund managers will earn more than women who work at a daycare center. But the national association of cpa's says that when you look at comparable occupations and experience, men and women earn virtually the same pay.

Your two posts seem contradictory, I now can't tell if you htink there is a pay gap or not. Allow me to settle it for you. There isn't.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
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"it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs"

Correct, that should be the focus. And in what should be good news for you, when we look at pay by gender through that lens, there is no pay gap in any study I have ever seen. When you compare comparable groups of men and women (same occupation, working same hours, with same experience), pay between men and women isn't menaingfully different.

If you could post a study showing that women earn less than comparable men, that would be helpful.

"My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA." Then presumably you think they are reputable organizations, and you might give credibility to their conclusion that there is no gender pay gap in this country, when you look at comparable groups of men and women.

Yes, men who are hedge fund managers will earn more than women who work at a daycare center. But the national association of cpa's says that when you look at comparable occupations and experience, men and women earn virtually the same pay.

Your two posts seem contradictory, I now can't tell if you think there is a pay gap or not. Allow me to settle it for you. There isn't. Not according to the dozens of studies I could post. I posted data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to show that even Obama's own data suggests there is no pay gap, so maybe he should get off that soap box and concern himself with problems that, you know, actually exist.