Is this true??

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Jim and I went around on this previously; apparently (and I didn't know the dogma well enough), being pro-choice is grounds for ex-communication.

Have they?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Have they?
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Whether or not a pro-abortion politician actually gets ex-communicated is up to their local bishop. Some have been. All are subject to it. There's no ambiguity around whether or not their beliefs subject them to excommunication. Unfortunately, there's no rule that requires the bishops to do it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Whether or not a pro-abortion politician actually gets ex-communicated is up to their local bishop. Some have been. All are subject to it. There's no ambiguity around whether or not their beliefs subject them to excommunication. Unfortunately, there's no rule that requires the bishops to do it.

What about all the pro-choice Catholic organizations? They're all fake as well? Why not get the bishops to push them all out, I mean they're not really Catholics right?

Is it possible the Church's position isn't really that black and white because they need the people or to Dangles point because they want the money?

If the Church is willing to compromise a fundamental tenant what does that say about it's faith?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

What about all the pro-choice Catholic organizations? They're all fake as well? Why not get the bishops to push them all out, I mean they're not really Catholics right?

Is it possible the Church's position isn't really that black and white because they need the people or to Dangles point because they want the money?

If the Church is willing to compromise a fundamental tenant what does that say about it's faith?

Being against abortion doesn't necessarily mean you're Catholic either .
I'm going to be a grandfather in a few months . I dare you to look at a modern ultrasound of a three month old fetus and not believe that that is a life . Not condemning those that have abortions just telling you the reality of the situation. It's all very sad
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

Being against abortion doesn't necessarily mean you're Catholic either .
I'm going to be a grandfather in a few months . I dare you to look at a modern ultrasound of a three month old fetus and not believe that that is a life . Not condemning those that have abortions just telling you the reality of the situation. It's all very sad
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"I'm going to be a grandfather in a few months "

Congratulations, good luck!

"I dare you to look at a modern ultrasound of a three month old fetus and not believe that that is a life"

To liberals, convenience trumps basic empathy.

"It's all very sad"

An understatement. Liberals now support the right of men to use the ladies' room, as long as said man chooses to self-identify as something other than that which he obviously is. I guess my brain isn't that evolved, maybe it requires years of Ivy League education to think that's not sick.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

What about all the pro-choice Catholic organizations? They're all fake as well? Why not get the bishops to push them all out, I mean they're not really Catholics right?

Is it possible the Church's position isn't really that black and white because they need the people or to Dangles point because they want the money?

If the Church is willing to compromise a fundamental tenant what does that say about it's faith?

"What about all the pro-choice Catholic organizations? They're all fake as well?"

The organizations might be real, they might do a lot of good. Pro-abortion people can do wonderful things. What they cannot do, is be Catholics in good standing. Frame it any way you want, spin it any way you want. Being anti-abortion is a binding belief of the Cathchism.

"Is it possible the Church's position isn't really that black and white "

No. The church's position is as black and white as it gets. Some bishops may choose to tolerate pro-abortion folks (showing a lot more tolerance than your side does with pro-life folks), but that doesn't change the church's position on the issue, which is black-and-white.

"If the Church is willing to compromise a fundamental tenant what does that say about it's faith"

It says that Catholics share the same flaws that everyone else has. That shouldn't suprise you, but I guess it does.

I answered every single question you asked. Now, can I ask a simple one, and expect the same courtesy?

How come Hilary's lies don't say anything about her integrity, but Carson's lies say something about him? Please be more specific than "apples and oranges", that doesn't exactly explain the double standard you apply. Doesn't seem fair that I answer your questions, and you countinuously dodge mine.