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Old 02-13-2017, 04:20 PM   #1
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But it's very Trumpist. And very much admired by his "supporters."

And "Presidential" is overated. Especially since many, if not most, Presidents have acted un-Presidential.

So, getting back to the topic of this thread, do you approve of California becoming a sanctuary State? Thats for the voters of California to decide I dont see immigration legal or illegal a threat to the USA Do you approve of almost all the illegal aliens in California having fraudulent, illegal, identification? Are they issued by the state ? Fake papers are a surprise?? is this new That’s what you need to survive, to work... I guess Trump wants it to be a deportable offense ok pass a law Do you approve of California corporations and banks "fleecing" California to the tune of a 2.488 GDP? why would my postilion be different on their fleecing Do you have any comments about those things?
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Old 02-14-2017, 07:51 AM   #2
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I guess Trump wants it to be a deportable offense ok pass a law
The deportable offense is coming to the country illegally. That IS the law.

Just because he's decided to focus on the deportation of violent offenders doesn't change the fact that if you are here illegally......you can be deported

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Come into the country illegally and I'm ok with immigration showing them the door back to the country they came from.

I'm not ok with any city or state harboring illegal aliens, but I have no issues with anyone coming in from wherever if properly screened and they go through the legal process.

FYI every single one of us is related to an illegal alien. All of our ancestors came into this country uninvited.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:54 AM   #4
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FYI every single one of us is related to an illegal alien. All of our ancestors came into this country uninvited.
sooo.....which laws were broken or ignored?
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Old 02-14-2017, 11:20 AM   #5
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Seems some draw conclusions that are not there


Gross domestic product
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2.448 trillion USD they are the 6th largest economy in the world Some just see GDP

California’s GDP, at 2.448 trillion dollars is 80% larger that Russia’s GDP, at 1.3 trillion dollars.

So California leads the way its a country with in a country they deal with environmental issues immigrations issue Business issues Banking issues and they deal with state issues as we as federal issues .. and are not ruined or fallen into the sea

As for Immigration both legal and illegal I dont take the Chicken little approach as many Trump supporters Take you get caught you get deported its called due process I am good with that .. but some give the impression.. as if no one gets deported .. Not sure what Trump supporters are looking for other than 100% with out due process ??

During President Barack Obama’s terms, he had a record number of people deported from the United States which was more than any other president. As of 2015, more than 2.5 million undocumented people had been deported by immigration authorities since Obama took office in 2009. This total is record-setting. Take for example, during the two terms of his predecessor, President George W. Bush, removed just over 2 million people.

But lets not let Facts get in the Way.. lets keep the Immigration invasion are stealing jobs and destroying the country narrative alive.. because it gets votes
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sooo.....which laws were broken or ignored?
This board has no sense of humor, but I'm pretty sure written laws didn't need to be on the books, for most to understand the native Americans got a royal screwing courtesy of the uninvited boatloads of immigrants coming to their country. Our ancestors are lucky they didn't have better planning and better weapons.
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:20 PM   #7
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This board has no sense of humor, but I'm pretty sure written laws didn't need to be on the books, for most to understand the native Americans got a royal screwing courtesy of the uninvited boatloads of immigrants coming to their country. Our ancestors are lucky they didn't have better planning and better weapons.
My ancestors didn't have to be lucky. They came here much later. Your ancestors were the ones who did the royal screwing. But they didn't have to feel guilty about it. It was the way of the world. Who knows what the first so-called Native Americans found when they migrated here from who knows where for whatever reason--being screwed there or because they were chased away because they were screwing others. Or because they just sought a better life.

And when they continued their trek into here it wasn't a great kumbaya between the old and new "natives." There were fights over territory which continued for centuries and the more advanced developed civilizations that had to be protected from or prey upon other "native" populations, and various religious and superstitious rituals including human sacrifice and tribal wars were normal. It's far more complex than the evil white man screwing the innocent red one meme. But there was undoubtedly some or a lot of that.

You're entitled to feel guilty for the sins of your ancestors. I don't want any part of that. My ancestors were screwed over for centuries, but I'm sure they weren't completely innocent. And I can neither hold a grudge over it nor even care about it. It's all that water under the bridge thing. The past has its important lessons, from which we better learn, and provides the pleasure of studying it. But I'm focused mostly on doing the best I can in today's world.

Hey, maybe the ancestors of the "Native" Americans should feel lucky that an advanced civilization saved them from the short hard life of scrounging for food and from the ravages of disease and age that the amenities of the modern world affords them.

I'm just joking. That sense of humor thing. It would be interesting, though, if the tribes that live on reservations actually reverted to the ancient ways and lived off the land without the aid modern technology. I believe their lives would be more "meaningful" than the lives of most Americans today. But it would be a LOT tougher for them, and most would probably want todays American conveniences with an infusion of their version of old beliefs, customs, and rituals. Of course, if all the old tribes made a comeback and lived as they used to, there would probably be a lot of wars among each other to spice up the tough harsh life.
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FYI every single one of us is related to an illegal alien. All of our ancestors came into this country uninvited.
Then what was Ellis Island for?

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