The apprentice lives.

[PaulS]

Mr. Brennan said. “I said American voters would be outraged by any Russian attempt to interfere in the election.”





Mr. Brennan’s prediction proved inaccurate. Though intelligence agencies are unanimous in their belief that Russia directly interfered in the election, it has become a divisive partisan issue, with Democrats far more likely than Republicans to accept the conclusion. Mr. Trump has declared that “Russia is fake news” and has tried to undermine the conclusions of his own intelligence services.





He has also tried repeatedly to beat back news reports about his campaign’s ties to Russia. White House officials tried to enlist the F.B.I. and C.I.A. to dispute stories early this year. Then, after the F.B.I. publicly confirmed its investigation, Mr. Trump asked Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, and Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, to publicly deny any collusion between Russia and his campaign, according to two former American officials. The Washington Post first reported Mr. Trump’s entreaties.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Mr. Brennan said. “I said American voters would be outraged by any Russian attempt to interfere in the election.”

Ten things Ramble:

1 - Where was the outrage by the dems for the past 90 years of russian / soviet attempts to influence politics in US ?

2 - There is evidence Russia worked with Trump team people.

3 - The evidence has not (yet) proved illegal from what we can see

4 - There is a lot of crap behind the scenes that if true will be bad for Trump - but most/all of it is hearsay

5 - The news channels have been very right and horribly wrong covering this. Sometimes bad luck, sometimes bad reporting, sometimes inherent bias

6 - Resist! Fascist methods to put down the supposed Fascists.

7 - Russians interfere and disrupt - IIWTD - IT IS WHAT THEY DO

8 - Political sabotage: many Anti-Trumpers are sabotaging Trump's team wrapping themselves in the cloak of patriotism even when it is merely for personal / political gain. Makes it difficult to separate the truth from fiction.

9 - IIWTD

10 - Hillary or Trump - we loose either way.

There is significant evidence Russia committed a massive operation to influence, dis-inform, disrupt, and undermine our faith in our government and electoral process. They succeeded as BOTH sides TEAR Each Other Apart, neither willing to team up.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Ten things Ramble:

1 - Where was the outrage by the dems for the past 90 years of russian / soviet attempts to influence politics in US ?

The Russians did more than attempt, they succeeded. And in the most critical way. The Soviet infiltration of FDR's cabinet and overall administration was key to delivering China and Eastern Europe to Communism. And the Dems covered that up and allowed it to continue. They destroyed Joseph McCarthy when he tried to call attention to what happened and to the fact that Soviet agents were still imbedded in the U.S. government.

Nor were the Dems outraged, or even interested, when it was revealed that Ted Kennedy, a sitting Senator, had tried to get the Russians to influence the election against Reagan. Nor was there any big deal about the Obama administration allowing the Uranium One deal as part of a supposed "reset" with Russia.

Romney was laughed at by the Dems when he said Russia was our number one enemy. The Cold War was supposedly over and the Dems wanted to work with Russia--then. Now, of course, Russia is the worst boogeyman, and Trump is supposedly colluding with them.

There is significant evidence Russia committed a massive operation to influence, dis-inform, disrupt, and undermine our faith in our government and electoral process. They succeeded as BOTH sides TEAR Each Other Apart, neither willing to team up.

The Democrats and fellow-traveler segment of the GOP both do a good job of undermining our faith in our government. The Russians can't hope to match the undermining of government done by our own people.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The Democrats and fellow-traveler segment of the GOP both do a good job of undermining our faith in our government. The Russians can't hope to match the undermining of government done by our own people.

Yet shoot or detain their own