Roy Moore / Al Franken

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by scottw

Trump's victim in your example is imaginary, unless he grabbed Billy Bush....Franken's victim is right there in the photo...

Let me make it easier for you to understand. Trump bragged about criminal behavior. The victims are the people he groped and forced himself on. The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Let me make it easier for you to understand. Trump bragged about criminal behavior. The victims are the people he groped and forced himself on. The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.
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But according to Trump are all liars. The double standard here is amazing.

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by spence

But according to Trump are all liars. The double standard here is amazing.

It sure is.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

But according to Trump are all liars. The double standard here is amazing.

Yes it is. According to your side, Mike Pences rule about not being alone with a woman other han his wife is sexist, but bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy are solid friends of feminism. That makes all kinds f sense. Of course there is hypocrisy on my side, but not to this degree.
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[wdmso]

As we get distracted The GOP is passing their tax plan which will bone many of here in the NE if passed as it stands

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yes it is. According to your side, Mike Pences rule about not being alone with a woman other han his wife is sexist, but bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy are solid friends of feminism. That makes all kinds f sense. Of course there is hypocrisy on my side, but not to this degree.
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When you talk about "sides" you sound like you're picking a dodge ball team in 3rd grade.

As for Pence, his personal position is a bit dated, perhaps he just doesn't trust himself, but it is certainly somewhat sexist as well.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

When you talk about "sides" you sound like you're picking a dodge ball team in 3rd grade.

As for Pence, his personal position is a bit dated, perhaps he just doesn't trust himself, but it is certainly somewhat sexist as well.

"When you talk about "sides" you sound like you're picking a dodge ball team in 3rd grade"

Yes, because the exact verbiage I use to differentiate the two major parties, THAT'S what matters here. One picks on those details, when one has lost the meat of the debate.

"As for Pence, his personal position is a bit dated, perhaps he just doesn't trust himself"

Maybe he doesn't trust liberals not to fabricate tales of infidelity. Is he crazy to worry about that? Well, Donna Brazile was caught lying about George Bush's infidelities when she worked on the Dukakis campaign. Her fabrications were so bad, Dukakis fired her. where did she end up? Head of the DNC!!

Pence chooses to eliminate even the appearance of a possibility of sexual wrongdoing, and you say that's "dated"? With all that has happened in the last few weeks, it's "dated" to completely eliminate all possibility of any harassment or assault occurring?

You just can't say anything positive about him. Because he has an R after his name.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Of course there is hypocrisy on my side, but not to this degree.Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Should we post the list of fervent anti-LGBTQ folks lawmakers who get caught with members of the same sex(Just happened again in Ohio)? Some of which were occasionally underage? Hell stuff about Schiff is supposedly out there now too...

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

Hypocrisy, thy name is politics.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

The party that worships at the feet of the Clintons and the Kennedys, says that my side is waging war on women (because we think unborn babies are not worthless).

Show me anything that absurd in the official platform of conservatism, please? Yes, there are evil people on my side, and immoral people, and freaks. They aren't tolerated like they are on the left. Look at how many high-profile, influential Republicans attacked Trump, denounced Trump, didn't vote for Trump. Did that happen to Bill Clinton from fellow Democrats? Or Ted Kennedy? I must have missed it.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Should we post the list of fervent anti-LGBTQ folks lawmakers who get caught with members of the same sex(Just happened again in Ohio)? Some of which were occasionally underage? Hell stuff about Schiff is supposedly out there now too...

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/o...es-values.html

According to the Youth Risk Behavior Survey of 32 states, those with the highest percentage of high school students who say they have had sex are Mississippi, Delaware, West Virginia, Alabama and Arkansas. All but Delaware voted Republican in the last presidential election.

Meanwhile, the five states with the lowest proportion of high school students who have had sex were New York, California, Maryland, Nebraska and Connecticut. All but Nebraska voted Democratic.

Nine of the 10 states with the highest teen birthrates voted Republican in 2016. And nine of the 10 states with the lowest teen birthrates voted Democratic.

The conservative hostility to premarital sex also sometimes leads to early weddings, even to child marriages. I wrote in May about the hundreds of thousands of child marriages in America, and of the dozen states with the highest rates of child marriage, all voted Republican in 2016.

“Child marriage is happening at an alarming rate across the U.S., but available marriage-license data show more parents, judges and clerks in red states than in blue states seem comfortable with this human-rights abuse,” said Fraidy Reiss, founder of Unchained at Last, a nonprofit that fights child marriage.

Divorce rates show a similar pattern: They tend to be higher in red states than in blue states, with Arkansas highest of all. “Individual religious conservatism is positively related to individual divorce risk,” according to a 50-state study reported in the American Journal of Sociology.

Then there’s adultery and prostitution. One large international survey found that the largest group of customers on Ashley Madison, the dating website for married people, were evangelical Christians. And a major 2013 study found that men in the Houston and Kansas City metro areas were the most likely to call sex ads, while men in San Francisco and Baltimore were the least likely to.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/o...es-values.html

According to the Youth Risk Behavior Survey of 32 states, those with the highest percentage of high school students who say they have had sex are Mississippi, Delaware, West Virginia, Alabama and Arkansas. All but Delaware voted Republican in the last presidential election.

Meanwhile, the five states with the lowest proportion of high school students who have had sex were New York, California, Maryland, Nebraska and Connecticut. All but Nebraska voted Democratic.

Nine of the 10 states with the highest teen birthrates voted Republican in 2016. And nine of the 10 states with the lowest teen birthrates voted Democratic.

The conservative hostility to premarital sex also sometimes leads to early weddings, even to child marriages. I wrote in May about the hundreds of thousands of child marriages in America, and of the dozen states with the highest rates of child marriage, all voted Republican in 2016.

“Child marriage is happening at an alarming rate across the U.S., but available marriage-license data show more parents, judges and clerks in red states than in blue states seem comfortable with this human-rights abuse,” said Fraidy Reiss, founder of Unchained at Last, a nonprofit that fights child marriage.

Divorce rates show a similar pattern: They tend to be higher in red states than in blue states, with Arkansas highest of all. “Individual religious conservatism is positively related to individual divorce risk,” according to a 50-state study reported in the American Journal of Sociology.

Then there’s adultery and prostitution. One large international survey found that the largest group of customers on Ashley Madison, the dating website for married people, were evangelical Christians. And a major 2013 study found that men in the Houston and Kansas City metro areas were the most likely to call sex ads, while men in San Francisco and Baltimore were the least likely to.

Oh. So divorce is remotely the same as sexual assault. Got it Paul, got it.

I am talking about political hypocrisy regarding sexual assault and harassment. Of course there are jerks on all sides. Are you really going to say that Bill Clinton caught as much heat in the media for his sexual misdeeds, as Trump did? Are you really going to claim that those two men were treated equally?

When campaigning, Hilary said that women who claim they were assaulted, are to be believed. Just last Friday, she said that the women who accused her husband, are mis-remembering what Bill did. She slut-shamed them on national TV. Some feminist.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Let me make it easier for you to understand. Trump bragged about criminal behavior. The victims are the people he groped and forced himself on. The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.
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I think spence would call it painting a mental picture in bad taste, not actual groping...

if the women you mentioned want to come forward, file charges...sue..etc...I'm ok with that and whatever the courts decide

I would expect Trump to invoke the "one free grope rule" that the dems and feminists created to defend Clinton back in the day...I think that's the same one that Biden operates under

[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.

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Biden can bring them to the debates in 2019