Roy Moore / Al Franken

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Paul, there's absolutely nothing in Christianity, that encourages teen sex, teen marriage, or divorce. Nothing. Some red states, particularly in the deep south, have destructive cultural issues, no doubt. Same thing in our cities. It's caused by a culture of poverty, it has nothing to do with religion. I'm not saying religious people are perfect, far from it. But if you take the 10 commandments seriously, it will reduce the likelihood that you engage in that behavior.

I see that the Times piece didn't quote its own study (which we have discussed) which showed that conservatives give a lot more to charity than liberals.

It's funny that liberals love to claim that Republicans only care about the rich, yet so many poor places (very poor places in the south) are so conservative.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's funny that liberals love to claim that Republicans only care about the rich, yet so many poor places (very poor places in the south) are so conservative.

It is the politicians who poor conservatives elect that are tied to big business, oil, big pharma. It is the great irony. I feel both sadness and a bit of serves you right for those sick out of work coal miners who voted for Trump because they believe he will bring back coal, but pray he doesn't end Obama Care, which is the primary reason they can afford treatment for black lung. Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants, etc.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by zimmy

It is the politicians who poor conservatives elect that are tied to big business, oil, big pharma. It is the great irony. I feel both sadness and a bit of serves you right for those sick out of work coal miners who voted for Trump because they believe he will bring back coal, but pray he doesn't end Obama Care, which is the primary reason they can afford treatment for black lung. Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants, etc.
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Fun Fact The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

Brayton Point decommissioned coal-fired power plant that was long known as one of Massachusetts's worst polluters has been sold to a company with experience redeveloping polluted sites.

Commercial Development says it will transform the plant for "post-coal utilization."

coals coming back ???

[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

the less educated poorer whites

scape goats of illegal immigrants

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I'm so sick of people being broken down into color and class


funny when someone writes "illegal"..then completely ignores the meaning of the word

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by scottw

funny when someone writes "illegal"..then completely ignores the meaning of the word

I wasn't ignoring the meaning of the word. It is categorically irrelevant. Whether they came here legally or not, it is scapegoating.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I wasn't ignoring the meaning of the word. It is categorically irrelevant. Whether they came here legally or not, it is scapegoating.
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of course it's relevant, if not for the fact that they are here "illegally" there would be no "scapegoating" as you say, no conversation....it's the ONLY reason you or Trump mention them...if they were here "legally"...or not here at all...there would be no issue, no scapegoating, no conversation...you completely ignore the meaning

if pointing out illegality is "scapegoating"
what is ignoring "illegality"?...virtuous?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

out of work coal miners who voted for Trump because they believe he will bring back coal, but pray he doesn't end Obama Care, which is the primary reason they can afford treatment for black lung. Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants, etc.
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So before 2008, where were all these dead coal miners you speak of? and now, with the ACA, they can get the treatment they were denied for 100 years until Obama the messiah saved them?

I keep hearing about how many millions of people will die if the ACA is repealed. Why wasn't I stepping over dead bodies when I worked in Hartford, before Obama got elected? These alarmists make it sound like the whole country was one big death camp until the ACA was signed. I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

"Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants"

He won because of PA, WI, NC, OH...not because of the deep south.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I keep hearing about how many millions of people will die if the ACA is repealed. Why wasn't I stepping over dead bodies when I worked in Hartford, before Obama got elected?

you were, don't you remember the mantra...people were dying and dead all over the parking lots of hospitals across the country because the system had failed....


I was listening to 10 news conference the other morning and Rappley was interviewing the guy that is going to challenge Whitehouse for his seat...the individual mandate came up and the guest said he was not in favor of federal government mandating such things...Rappley's response was...

"but the cost of health care will go up if young healthy people are not forced to buy coverage"

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I wasn't ignoring the meaning of the word. It is categorically irrelevant. Whether they came here legally or not, it is scapegoating.
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No - whether they came here legally or not is the law. I would be up for increasing LEGAL immigration if they could stop the ILLEGAL immigration.

It is ironic people fight for "Justice" yet willfully undermine the cornerstone of the US legal system: The CITIZEN. The people that say that "Privilege" must be fought against because it is unfair are so willing to sink arguably the greatest privilege the world has known: United States Citizenship

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm not saying I believe Moore is innocent, I'd like to see him step down, and if there's evidence of a crime, let's have a trial.

But you cannot claim that everyone who gets accused of these things, is guilty. In some cases (rare, not rare enough) it's total fabrication, but the media doesn't care about the presumption of innocence when there's a sordid story.

I have no idea what the answer is here.

^^^^^ This. I am pretty confident that Moore is a SlimeyMallCruisingBastard and Franken is a hypocrite but while everyone justifiably grab's their Torches and PithForks, innoncent people will get smeared as targets of opportunity - it is a slippery slope.

Originally Posted by scottw

"but the cost of health care will go up if young healthy people are not forced to buy coverage"