No mental health issue in america.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He was calling for programs that did what he thought was vital - restore the black nuclear family. He predicted, correctly, that welfare as we know it, would cause continued deterioration of the black nuclear family, and that would be a catastrophe.

Jim, family structure was seen as critical, but his thesis said that Civil Rights legislation alone wouldn't be enough to lift African Americans from poverty and that welfare was needed especially to support unemployed black men. Not that welfare would erode the family structure.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Not that welfare would erode the family structure.

Moynihan concluded, "The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Moynihan concluded, "The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States."

Stop taking things out of context like that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

Moynihan concluded, "The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States."

Just to let you know, you quoted a hardcore conservative writing an opinion piece in "capitalism magazine."

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Just to let you know, you quoted a hardcore conservative writing an opinion piece in "capitalism magazine."

The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/d...oynihan_182349


https://www.amazon.com/steady-expans.../dp/B01LWYKN5W

https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/M...o%20Family.pdf

heh..heh...heh.....didn't know he was a an opinion writing hardcore conservative

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Just to let you know, you quoted a hardcore conservative writing an opinion piece in "capitalism magazine."

It's an exact Moynihan quote. Not what someone else wrote. Can't wait to see you explain that away...

[scottw]

I'm worried about him...maybe he needs a little time off...maybe go for a dog sled ride and see the northern lights or something

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's an exact Moynihan quote. Not what someone else wrote. Can't wait to see you explain that away...

Jim, read the report, it's taken out of context. The criticism wasn't about welfare in general, it was about a program that biased benefits in situations where the parents were cohabitating but not married creating a disencetive for the mother to marry.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, read the report, it's taken out of context. The criticism wasn't about welfare in general, it was about a program that biased benefits in situations where the parents were cohabitating but not married creating a disencetive for the mother to marry.
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from the study...."The steady expansion of this program, as of public assistance programs in general, can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States." Daniel Patrick Moynihan


I've lost count of how many times Spence has claimed a "quote" was "taken out of context" and then proceeded to offer a version of what was said or written which had little or no resemblance to what was actually said or written....

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

from the study...."The steady expansion of this program, as of public assistance programs in general, can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States." Daniel Patrick Moynihan


I've lost count of how many times Spence has claimed a "quote" was "taken out of context" and then proceeded to offer a version of what was said or written which had little or no resemblance to what was actually said or written....

I'm going to try and be patient with your reading comprehension challenges.

DPM wasn't saying welfare in general was the reason behind the deterioration of the family structure, but rather that increasing reliance on it was a "measure" of the problem. His entire reasoning for writing the piece was to piggyback on the Civil Rights movement and lobby LBJ to increase Federal assistance programs even to the point of creating government jobs to increase employment.

I know it's easy to cherry pick a single sentence, misinterpret it and then base 50 years of talking points about it. I get it. It's also wrong.