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03-01-2018, 09:00 AM
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In pictures: US gun-blessing ceremony
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43231638
2 of the most dangerous things on the planet Religion and guns and under 1 roof ... Imagine if that was in a mosque
Another gun related story Trump said the NRA has "great power over you people", but that the lobby has "less power over me".
lets see how this plays out
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03-01-2018, 09:02 AM
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Mosques are against guns and violence
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03-01-2018, 09:17 AM
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Mosques are against guns and violence
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03-01-2018, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43231638
2 of the most dangerous things on the planet Religion and guns and under 1 roof ... Imagine if that was in a mosque
Another gun related story Trump said the NRA has "great power over you people", but that the lobby has "less power over me".
lets see how this plays out
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Wow - full blown Spence segue, take something very crazy then broadbrush a lot of others immediately after.
Did you read the article? Moonies. Ever hear of them? Jonestown without the Koolaid.
This is a crazy stylized foolish ceremony (btw - very Russian like) that is in the realm of beyond crazy almost to trying to catch a comet by its tail crazy.
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03-01-2018, 10:48 AM
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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03-01-2018, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
take something very crazy then broadbrush a lot of others immediately after.
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Like that doesn't happen here all the time.
I didn't read the article.
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03-01-2018, 11:05 AM
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My point is simple theses are the people that set the public face to the gun issue .. not Normal gun owners they are being dragged alongside people like this and people like wayne lapierre or Dana Loesch? and others with their outrageous claims .. and how they address gun violence with tired cliches.. and an intractable postition
Be part of the solution or the solution will be made with out you..
I am not anti gun I am anti the 2a guys say I can have what i want when I want it . ( and why should I have to wait 1 day or 30 days to buy a gun or are against Gun Registration .. or pay for your own background check or have a different class licenses for fire arm Classes.. we do it with a drivers Licenses for things from buses to tractor trailers . it works why not with guns ?
Laws requiring gun owners to register their firearms ensure gun owner accountability and help law enforcement solve crimes and disarm criminals. Despite the clear advantages inherent in registration laws, few states have such laws on the books—and some prohibit them outright.
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03-01-2018, 11:13 AM
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My point is simple theses are the people that set the public face to the gun issue ..
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No, these are the people that the media is Trying to make the public face of the gun issue....
the people you keep arguing with are the ones that are trying to set the public face of the gun issue, but they seem to get ignored, or lumped in with these morons.
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03-01-2018, 11:30 AM
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No, these are the people that the media is Trying to make the public face of the gun issue....
the people you keep arguing with are the ones that are trying to set the public face of the gun issue, but they seem to get ignored, or lumped in with these morons.
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Normal 90% of gun owners are invisible to the public..but but they seem to get ignored yes by the NRA who speaks for them even if they dont support the message.. they are the only Show in Town .
Then you have theses people who worship the gun then you have all the open carry yahoos who think it cool i guess to strut around with a rifle strapped to your back or the Bundy Militias all very public
Normal gun owners are being drowned out not by the Media.. but by the NRA and other gun owners
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03-01-2018, 12:44 PM
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Normal 90% of gun owners are invisible to the public..but but they seem to get ignored yes by the NRA who speaks for them even if they dont support the message.. they are the only Show in Town .
Should people who work in unionized shops but don't support the union who supposedly speaks for them by negotiated contracts be listened to?
Then you have theses people who worship the gun then you have all the open carry yahoos who think it cool i guess to strut around with a rifle strapped to your back or the Bundy Militias all very public
So now you get to define these people, speak for who they are? Your hyper-judgmental portrayal of them is as outlandish as you make them out to be.
Normal gun owners are being drowned out not by the Media.. but by the NRA and other gun owners
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How do you know that 90% of gun owners don't agree with the NRA?
Do you just make this stuff up?
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03-01-2018, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
How do you know that 90% of gun owners don't agree with the NRA?
Do you just make this stuff up?
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Somewheres around 39% of households own guns
Somewheres around 50% of republicans support gun control
I think 90 might be wrong but i would say more than 50
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03-01-2018, 01:03 PM
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This is a crazy stylized foolish ceremony (btw - very Russian like) that is in the realm of beyond crazy almost to trying to catch a comet by its tail crazy.
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But I guarantee you it's being reported in some countries like everyday American life. Just like we do to them...
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03-01-2018, 01:44 PM
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But I guarantee you it's being reported in some countries like everyday American life. Just like we do to them...
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Everyday Christian American life, getting ready to deal with Muslims.
Just like some believe all Muslims are............
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03-01-2018, 01:45 PM
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So they have fake news too?
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03-01-2018, 02:02 PM
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In the early 70s I was working at Killington. It was a terrible snow year. Skiing with a friend of mine and we decided to make up a snowstorm. Everytime we got in the liftline we talked about this big dump that was coming. By the end of the day everyone was talking about how it was going to snow 3' starting that night.
People hear what they want to believe and if it is what they would like will broadcast it far and wide.
Back then we called it bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.
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03-01-2018, 02:13 PM
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So they have fake news too?
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03-01-2018, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
How do you know that 90% of gun owners don't agree with the NRA?
Do you just make this stuff up?
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"Should people who work in unionized shops but don't support the union who supposedly speaks for them by negotiated contracts be listened to?"
I'm just gonna make some popcorn and open a beer, and wait for him to respond to that one.
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03-01-2018, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Should people who work in unionized shops but don't support the union who supposedly speaks for them by negotiated contracts be listened to?"
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Depends. They have a right to voice their opinion and even vote out the union membership.
When Exxon Mobil or GE sends me a proxy and I don't vote the way they recommend, are they listening to my vote? Sometimes company heads ignore votes that get greater than 50%. If I own shares, I am an owner.
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03-01-2018, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
My point is simple theses are the people that set the public face to the gun issue .. not Normal gun owners they are being dragged alongside people like this and people like wayne lapierre or Dana Loesch? and others with their outrageous claims .. and how they address gun violence with tired cliches.. and an intractable postition
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No - this is what a lot of people WANT to believe 2A supporters are. The same people that can't figure out how dialogue between both sides breaks down so fast (OK - they are not surpised, probably welcome it.
"We are not going to take your guns"
Then proposes legislation banning pretty much anything not a lever action.
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Be part of the solution or the solution will be made with out you..
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Ahem, I'll repeat; "We are not going to take your guns"
Then proposes legislation banning pretty much anything not a lever action or powderloaded.
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Originally Posted by wdmso
I am not anti gun I am anti the 2a guys say I can have what i want when I want it . ( and why should I have to wait 1 day or 30 days to buy a gun or are against Gun Registration .. or pay for your own background check or have a different class licenses for fire arm Classes.. we do it with a drivers Licenses for things from buses to tractor trailers . it works why not with guns ?
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Because Driving is a Privileged, not a right.
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
No, these are the people that the media is Trying to make the public face of the gun issue.....
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^^^^^^ This
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Originally Posted by spence
But I guarantee you it's being reported in some countries like everyday American life. Just like we do to them...
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Being reported how we are, yes. But give me examples of how it is the same the other way??
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03-01-2018, 03:55 PM
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Unions, companies, churches etc. shouldn't be allowed to make political donations.
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03-01-2018, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
No - this is what a lot of people WANT to believe 2A supporters are. The same people that can't figure out how dialogue between both sides breaks down so fast (OK - they are not surpised, probably welcome it.
"We are not going to take your guns"
Then proposes legislation banning pretty much anything not a lever action.
Ahem, I'll repeat; "We are not going to take your guns"
Then proposes legislation banning pretty much anything not a lever action or powderloaded.
Because Driving is a Privileged, not a right.
^^^^^^ This
Being reported how we are, yes. But give me examples of how it is the same the other way??
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I see your in the they are going to take are guns side of the argument and the 2a says I can have what ever gun I want
Why do 2a guys ignore the well regulated militia part of the 2a
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03-01-2018, 06:11 PM
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Ahem, I'll repeat; "We are not going to take your guns"
Then proposes legislation banning pretty much anything not a lever action or powderloaded.
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What legislation are you talking about? Never heard of it. I was recently thinking that I would support that kind of thing. I would want none of the bs pelletized powder garbage they use today. When I was a kid we would shoot my dad's musket. Ram the paper wad down the barrel, drop in a lead ball. Now that took some skill. None of the bs rifling that makes it go straight so anyone can shoot. Took instinct, intuition to get it where you wanted it. Would put everyone on equal ground.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-01-2018, 08:14 PM
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I’d get a blessing my rods if I would be guaranteed a 50...
I have bigger headscatching over Billy Graham lying in state in the Capitol. And that isn’t a knock on him as a man or his faith, but I is a bit odd...
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03-01-2018, 09:19 PM
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What legislation are you talking about? Never heard of it. I was recently thinking that I would support that kind of thing. I would want none of the bs pelletized powder garbage they use today. When I was a kid we would shoot my dad's musket. Ram the paper wad down the barrel, drop in a lead ball. Now that took some skill. None of the bs rifling that makes it go straight so anyone can shoot. Took instinct, intuition to get it where you wanted it. Would put everyone on equal ground.
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I guess you did not look
The congressman from RI just put up a doozy. There are others that do plenty on infringing also
Equal ground huh? Kinda like fish finders and side scan?
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1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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03-01-2018, 09:24 PM
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I see your in the they are going to take are guns side of the argument and the 2a says I can have what ever gun I want
Why do 2a guys ignore the well regulated militia part of the 2a
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“They” are only going to take something if we allow it. They certainly are trying, been chipping away at infringing for close to a century.
Is your question on militia just you thinking out loud or are you actually asking? I figured you know the wording of militia means the people, and that includes you.
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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03-01-2018, 10:32 PM
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I guess you did not look
The congressman from RI just put up a doozy. There are others that do plenty on infringing also
Equal ground huh? Kinda like fish finders and side scan?
Life is about choices, you choose to challenge yourself your way and I’ll do it my way.
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I just read the bill. I don't see anything in it about lever action, black powder, any of that stuff. I want more challenge for the guy in the hotel window in Vegas or in the first grade classroom. I forgot to mention flints. Everything should be flintlock.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-01-2018, 10:39 PM
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I just read the bill. I don't see anything in it about lever action, black powder, any of that stuff. I want more challenge for the guy in the hotel window in Vegas or in the first grade classroom. I forgot to mention flints. Everything should be flintlock.
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That is all that is left. They statement indicates anything semi-automatic, hand gun or rifle, not a 22.
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03-02-2018, 07:03 AM
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I guess you did not look
The congressman from RI just put up a doozy. There are others that do plenty on infringing also
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Cicciline ran a poll asking his constituents if they wanted more gun legislation to reduce gun violence.....the poll ran 76% NO to 24% YES until Cicciline had it taken down early because he didn't get the results he was hoping for....then he introduced the legislation anyway....
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03-02-2018, 08:45 AM
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Cicciline ran a poll asking his constituents if they wanted more gun legislation to reduce gun violence.....the poll ran 76% NO to 24% YES until Cicciline had it taken down early because he didn't get the results he was hoping for....then he introduced the legislation anyway....
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A Twitter poll? Now that is scientific!
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-02-2018, 08:49 AM
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That is all that is left. They statement indicates anything semi-automatic, hand gun or rifle, not a 22.
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I don't particularly agree with everything in the bill, but the way it reads, you could purchase a semi automatic rifle with a fixed magazine that holds 10 rounds. That isn't a flintlock.
By the way, one of the arguments against magazine size limits is that they don't change anything. You can duct tape a couple together in opposite directions and pull it out and flip it in two seconds. Fixed magazine does address that aspect.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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