Rex says thank God!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I think Trump kisses Putin's golden ring a bit more than Putin does, but there is definitely a love fest there; not sure if there is a deep state conspiracy there. Even as of a week or so ago, DJT still was passing around the belief that the hacking could have been many others other than Russia.

If there is a love affair between them, it certainly hasn't gone farther than some hints, and is, so far as we know, unrequited, and doesn't have any indications of leading to a marriage. Even been a few spats. Maybe a passing fancy? Maybe a trick?

The Donald does have a tendency to fire people who he has praised.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things.

Obama habitually effed up and underestimate foreign powers and the Great Game. Jury is still out if DJT can surpass BO on FP complete and utter stupidity as the amount is great, but the race is on.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Obama habitually effed up and underestimate foreign powers and the Great Game. Jury is still out if DJT can surpass BO on FP complete and utter stupidity as the amount is great, but the race is on.

You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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[spence]

Originally Posted by zimmy

You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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Not to mention that Obama inherited one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in US history. Sure, let's invade a strategic nation in an unstable region and give it to Iran...great job W.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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Yes, with the exception of Iraq - Big Exception - Bush was better.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yes, with the exception of Iraq - Big Exception - Bush was better.

Big exception is right. Destabilized Afghanistan and ignored it as Iraq fell to pieces, prevented key allies from participation in reconstruction in favor of Cheney's haliburton, contributed to the rise of Hamas and Ahmadinejad. His foreign policy was a disaster that Obama couldn't match and Trump has yet to.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Big exception is right. Destabilized Afghanistan and ignored it as Iraq fell to pieces, prevented key allies from participation in reconstruction in favor of Cheney's haliburton, contributed to the rise of Hamas and Ahmadinejad. His foreign policy was a disaster that Obama couldn't match and Trump has yet to.
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The de-Bathification of the Iraqi government and military will go down as perhaps the biggest foreign policy blunder we've ever seen in this generation.
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