Pelosi defends MS-13 from Trump

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

What do you call when you compare one statement that a Dem. made with 0,000s of statements Trump made and consider them equal?

speaking of hypocrisy - did you comment in the Samantha Bee thread about what a vile word the "C" word is yet you've used that same vile word in the past. I'm assuming you didn't make any statements.

Didn't I pull up a thread when you where blaming the Dems. for the Scalise shooting showing that you and double standard made the exact opposite arguement when Giffords was shot?

If that was the only time that Obama/Clinton demonized Republicans for their beliefs, you'd have a point. It wasn't, so you don't.

Trump is much more overtly vulgar than Obama or Clinton. I don't think he's more divisive. Liberals just didn't see the divisiveness when Obama was POTUS, because they weren't the ones getting demonized.

This is why Trump is POTUS.


"did you comment in the Samantha Bee thread about what a vile word the "C" word is yet you've used that same vile word in the past."

I didn't use it at my job. If I did, I'd expect to be fired. Apples and oranges. I concede that it's a disgusting term. No hypocrisy, zip.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If that was the only time that Obama/Clinton demonized Republicans for their beliefs, you'd have a point. It wasn't, so you don't.If you think it is a good comparison to compare the very, very few statements of Obama/Clinton to the daily tweets of Trump you have lost your mind. There is no comparison.

Trump is much more overtly vulgar than Obama or Clinton. I don't think he's more divisive. Liberals just didn't see the divisiveness when Obama was POTUS, because they weren't the ones getting demonized.yet, Trump calls Dems and the press enemies of the country and scum. Obama or Clinton never used such language - not even close. You used to complain that Obama would talk about Bush yet Obama never made lies up about him like Trump does. Drop the moral outrage.

This is why Trump is POTUS.


"did you comment in the Samantha Bee thread about what a vile word the "C" word is yet you've used that same vile word in the past."

I didn't use it at my job. If I did, I'd expect to be fired. Apples and oranges. I concede that it's a disgusting term. No hypocrisy, zip.

Sure it is hypocrisy. She is a late night comedian. Shouldn't have said it but they want late night comedians to be edgy. You used it so cut the moral outrage.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sure it is hypocrisy. She is a late night comedian. Shouldn't have said it but they want late night comedians to be edgy. You used it so cut the moral outrage.

"calls Dems and the press enemies of the country and scum. Obama or Clinton never used such language - not even close"

Hilary said republicans are deplorable and irredeemable. Look up the definitions of those words. Again, not as vulgar as saying "scum", but of course she's expressing equal loathing for her opponents that Trump does, she's just using more elegant language. I don't give points for masking hate behind elegant language, perhaps you do.

John McCain and Mitt Romney are deplorable and irredeemable? Whatever...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"calls Dems and the press enemies of the country and scum. Obama or Clinton never used such language - not even close"

Hilary said republicans are deplorable and irredeemable. Look up the definitions of those words. Again, not as vulgar as saying "scum", but of course she's expressing equal loathing for her opponents that Trump does, she's just using more elegant language. I don't give points for masking hate behind elegant language, perhaps you do.

John McCain and Mitt Romney are deplorable and irredeemable? Whatever...

No, Jim, she did not say all republicans are deplorable. You are generalizing and resorting to hyperbole, something you get on us liberals for all the time.

She was referring to the Trump supporters who were homophobic, xenophobic etc… That is not calling all republicans and certainly not specifically McCain and Romney deplorable. I think the folks that fall into those racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic are deplorable. On that I’d agree with her.

Listen, she wasn’t my first second or fifth choice for 2016, but I think she was a better choice than the jackass we have now. This isn’t a defense of a comment that probably could have been more tactful and less derisive, but don’t generalize to try and fit your agenda. I would also love to see Pelosi go, she isn’t the leadership I want in the current democratic party.


Quote (from politifact, I added bold),
We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, Jim, she did not say all republicans are deplorable. You are generalizing and resorting to hyperbole, something you get on us liberals for all the time.

She was referring to the Trump supporters who were homophobic, xenophobic etc… That is not calling all republicans and certainly not specifically McCain and Romney deplorable. I think the folks that fall into those racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic are deplorable. On that I’d agree with her.

Listen, she wasn’t my first second or fifth choice for 2016, but I think she was a better choice than the jackass we have now. This isn’t a defense of a comment that probably could have been more tactful and less derisive, but don’t generalize to try and fit your agenda. I would also love to see Pelosi go, she isn’t the leadership I want in the current democratic party.


Quote (from politifact, I added bold),
We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

Ok, so she called half of trump supporters ( tens of millions of people), the most disgusting things possible. You want to defend that, pretend it was something other than what it was, knock yourself out.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ok, so she called half of trump supporters ( tens of millions of people), the most disgusting things possible. You want to defend that, pretend it was something other than what it was, knock yourself out.
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I am not defending anything Jim, but context and full quotes matter (god I sound like Spence, ugh).

Yes, she called the half of Trump supporters who are racist, sexist, homophobic etc.. deplorable. If someone is a racist, sexist and homophobe, I agree, they are probably a deplorable human being...

Maybe it is only 25% of the trump supporters, that fit that bill.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, Jim, she did not say all republicans are deplorable. You are generalizing and resorting to hyperbole, something you get on us liberals for all the time.

She was referring to the Trump supporters who were homophobic, xenophobic etc… That is not calling all republicans and certainly not specifically McCain and Romney deplorable. I think the folks that fall into those racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic are deplorable. On that I’d agree with her.

Listen, she wasn’t my first second or fifth choice for 2016, but I think she was a better choice than the jackass we have now. This isn’t a defense of a comment that probably could have been more tactful and less derisive, but don’t generalize to try and fit your agenda. I would also love to see Pelosi go, she isn’t the leadership I want in the current democratic party.


Quote (from politifact, I added bold),
We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

Before trump, influential conservatives wanted to talk about the merits of the issues, liberals just want to demonize.

Example- I’m pro life. And I follow politics, and I follow the news. When I hear influential liberals talking about those who are pro life, I hear us described as anti choice, sexist, opposed to women’s health. You know what I have never heard, not once? The truth. I have never heard an influential liberal say, “ you know what? Pro life people base their position on empathy. I think it’s misguided empathy, but it’s based on empathy nonetheless.” I will never hear that, because it’s more politically effective to call he mysogynist like Hilary did.

Trump plays their dirty game, no question. He beats them at it, in fact.

But he didn’t come out of nowhere. He was the conservative answer to the dirty tactics the liberals and the media used against McCain ( the racist) and Romney ( the heartless plutocrat).
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"calls Dems and the press enemies of the country and scum. Obama or Clinton never used such language - not even close"

Hilary said republicans are deplorable and irredeemable. Look up the definitions of those words. Again, not as vulgar as saying "scum", but of course she's expressing equal loathing for her opponents that Trump does, she's just using more elegant language. I don't give points for masking hate behind elegant language, perhaps you do.

John McCain and Mitt Romney are deplorable and irredeemable? Whatever...

Did she say all Repubs. where deplorable? And didn't Clinton apologize the very next day? You use that tired old insult repeatedly bc there are so few to use - Whatever.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Did she say all Repubs. where deplorable? And didn't Clinton apologize the very next day? You use that tired old insult repeatedly bc there are so few to use - Whatever.

She said half - tens of millions of people.

Yes she apologized. I was deeply moved, almost brought to tears. Nothing looks more like a sincere apology, than a politician apologizing for a scripted remark that the polls show bombers. It just reeks of sincerity and authenticity.

So few insults to use against her? I’d get carpel tunnel syndrome before I scratched the surface.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

She said half - tens of millions of people.

Yes she apologized. I was deeply moved, almost brought to tears. Nothing looks more like a sincere apology, than a politician apologizing for a scripted remark that the polls show bombers. It just reeks of sincerity and authenticity. Far better than Trump who won't appologize for anything.

So few insults to use against her? I’d get carpel tunnel syndrome before I scratched the surface.
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Let's have a little contest. I'll donate a $1 for every insult Clinton made and you donate $.25 for every insult Trump made and we'll net the 2 and the proceeds can be donated to charity.

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Let's have a little contest. I'll donate a $1 for every insult Clinton made and you donate $.25 for every insult Trump made and we'll net the 2 and the proceeds can be donated to charity.

Not sure he can afford it even with his bigger paycheck.

Should read he comments above again, ignore for a moment exactly how big the deplorable bucket is and Clinton was exactly right.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Let's have a little contest. I'll donate a $1 for every insult Clinton made and you donate $.25 for every insult Trump made and we'll net the 2 and the proceeds can be donated to charity.

I don't doubt I'd lose that bet between those two.

But if you extended that bet to cover all politicians, all influential talking heads in the media, and college campuses? I'd be a trillionaire.

Paul, when Bush destroyed the democrats by implementing the Surge (which the Dems opposed, and which worked amazingly well, which made them look like idiots), that's when the democrats stopped talking like adults, and started hitting below the belt. It started with Bush Derangement Syndrome, and continued through the 2008 and 2012 elections.

The Democrats are very good at slinging mud and at yellow journalism, it propelled them to victory in 08 and 12. So it's no surprise that the GOP found someone who is quite at home fighting dirty, and who is what better at it than they are.

He is beating them, clobbering them, at their own game. And they are going berserk, because they have nothing left. If Trump woke up and said "two plus two is four", the entire media would say "the hell it is!!" That's how crazy they are.

The results speak for themselves, in terms of political victories and TV ratings. Couldn't be more clear.

Look at what liberalism has done to our state's economy. And the democrats want to raise taxes and spend more. Even in CT, people are waking up. The democrats lead in the house has decreased from 60+ seats to 7, and the senate is tied, and Malloy is a national laughingstock.

Compare that to Nashville and the Carolinas, where they literally cannot build $450,000 houses fast enough. People see it.