Immigration hysteria

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, the Pope, Laura Bush, the entire United Methodist clergy...that mob?

No the outrage mob - but come to think of it - I don't recall them screaming when Obama era rules were doing it - not like today.

I cracked up (well would have if the topic was less horrible) watching NBC playing the religious card today.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

No the outrage mob - but come to think of it - I don't recall them screaming when Obama era rules were doing it - not like today.

Because it wasn’t like today. Under Obama the policy wasn’t perfect but they were prioritizing deportations not weaponzing children.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Because it wasn’t like today. Under Obama the policy wasn’t perfect but they were prioritizing deportations not weaponzing children.

The article I posted ( if you read it), says that in 2013 alone, if the 70,000 parents separated from their kids, more than 10,000 had not been accused of any crimes.

So how were they “prioritized” before being separated from their children? You are pathetically, desperately, trying to differentiate between the two.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The article I posted ( if you read it), says that in 2013 alone, if the 70,000 parents separated from their kids, more than 10,000 had not been accused of any crimes.

So how were they “prioritized” before being separated from their children? You are pathetically, desperately, trying to differentiate between the two.
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"Crimes" Jim. Being in the country illegally isn't a crime. There were other criteria being used to prioritize deportations as your article describes.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

"Crimes" Jim. Being in the country illegally isn't a crime. There were other criteria being used to prioritize deportations as your article describes.

One. Last. Time.

The Huff Post article said that at least 10,000 people were deported, and separated from their children, for no reason other than being here illegally. The article says they "may have fit other criteria". That's good enough for you, to separate 10,000 kids from their families?

Here is my question - why is that OK, but not what Trump is currently doing? If Trump said the adults "may fit other arrest criteria", you expect us to believe that would satisfy you?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

One. Last. Time.

The Huff Post article said that at least 10,000 people were deported, and separated from their children, for no reason other than being here illegally.

Here is my question - why is that OK, but not what Trump is currently doing?

They weren't forcibly separated from their children. Policy was to give the parents the option to take their kids or place them with family. Families at the border were charged with civil violations and sent back. It wasn't perfect but it was at least somewhat humane.

Trump is now treating all adults as criminals, forcibly removing babies and kids on the spot and shipping them to detention centers and banning media and politicians to even see what's going on with the children.

Even worse they're doing it for political reasons.

Even worse even worse the Administration lied about the protocol for the last two weeks before finally flipping and caving to pressure.

Situations are quite different Jim, that's why there's condemnation from both sides. We need bi-partisan immigration reform but you're not going to see it under Trump. It would undermine his Presidency.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

One. Last. Time.

The Huff Post article said that at least 10,000 people were deported, and separated from their children, for no reason other than being here illegally. The article says they "may have fit other criteria". That's good enough for you, to separate 10,000 kids from their families?

Here is my question - why is that OK, but not what Trump is currently doing? If Trump said the adults "may fit other arrest criteria", you expect us to believe that would satisfy you?

One used the children as pawns admittedly for political reasons, claimed they had no choice, that others were making them do it and then said: Oh we can save the children with an executive order, look what I did, hooray for me.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

One used the children as pawns admittedly for political reasons, claimed they had no choice, that others were making them do it and then said: Oh we can save the children with an executive order, look what I did, hooray for me.

I see...so it's not the act of separating families that's bad, it's the motive behind it. Naturally, according to you, Trump has a sinister motive and Obama had a humanitarian motive.

How does the motive of the sitting President, thousands of miles away, effect the trauma that the child goes through, when removed from his parents?

See, I keep hearing about how bad it is for kids to be separated from their parents - period. Unlike you, I'm not smart enough to know that being pulled from your parents, is only traumatic for a toddler, if the sitting president has sleazy motives.

Pete, just say it...just say publicly, "I can never criticize Obama, and I can never compliment Trump". we all know it.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

"Crimes" Jim. Being in the country illegally isn't a crime. There were other criteria being used to prioritize deportations as your article describes.

Oh FFS, the fact they are here illegally makes it a crime. That's literally what the word Illegal refers to

il·le·gal
i(l)ˈlēɡəl/Submit
adjective
1.
contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
"illegal drugs"
synonyms: unlawful, illicit, illegitimate, criminal, felonious;

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Oh FFS, the fact they are here illegally makes it a crime. That's literally what the word Illegal refers to

il·le·gal
i(l)ˈlēɡəl/Submit
adjective
1.
contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
"illegal drugs"
synonyms: unlawful, illicit, illegitimate, criminal, felonious;

they refuse to recognize the difference anymore...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

they refuse to recognize the difference anymore...

And this is the singular issue that got him elected. The liberals still haven't learned, they aren't capable of learning, that they are on the losing side of this issue in much of the country. All they see is future reliable votes and a chance to turn TX blue.

I want better conditions for these people. I also want a wall, for the same exact reason why we all lock our doors at night. Easy to be in favor of open borders in New England, but our fellow citizens who live along the border, are entitled to a sense of security as well.

Trump may come out of this, as usual, looking like the winner, he can claim that he inherited this policy (or at least the foundations of it) in laws passed by previous administrations, and he, unlike Obama, cared enough to stop it. Maybe that was his plan all along, he's capable of that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Oh FFS, the fact they are here illegally makes it a crime. That's literally what the word Illegal refers to

il·le·gal
i(l)ˈlēɡəl/Submit
adjective
1.
contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
"illegal drugs"
synonyms: unlawful, illicit, illegitimate, criminal, felonious;

A civil violation is contrary to or forbidden by law. Makes it illegal doesn't make it crime. It's not a crime to be in the US as an undocumented immigrant.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It's not a crime to be in the US as an undocumented immigrant.

IT IS ALL WRONG!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/polit...nal/index.html


Under federal law, it is a crime for ANYONE to enter into the US without the approval of an immigration officer.....

....roughly 45% of undocumented immigrants originally entered the US legally, but then remained in the country without authorization after their visas had expired. The penalty for this type of violation of immigration law is DEPORTATION, and according to the ACLU.

If, however, an undocumented immigrant is deported and then returns to the US without permission, then that "illegal re-entry" constitutes a FEDERAL OFFENSE with different tiers of accompanying prison time.