Durham’s probe into Russian investigation now a criminal investigation

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump using his new enforcer Barr to investigate and delegitimize the work of the FBI, CIA and all the intelligence agencies; been doing it since taking office. You can’t undue the Mueller probe and the goal is distraction and purely political for his run (if he makes it that far) in 2020. Won’t impact the impeachment process because those are brand new and far more damaging crimes, so it’s just noise.
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Same question to you, how do you know that Trump is inappropriately delegitimizing the work of the FBI and DOJ? How do you know that they weren't actually acting inappropriately? Just because it might help Trump? Is that all it takes for you to conclude that there's no possible good faith basis for the investigation?

Neither Durham nor the IG have released their findings, but somehow you and WDMSO and Spence already know that it's a sham. I could speculate that you don't conclude such things based on facts, but rather solely on political considerations. If there's another conceivable explanation. I'm all ears.

When Trump said his campaign was being spied on, everyone laughed at him and called him crazy (I also thought he was nuts). Turns out, he was 100% correct.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Neither Durham nor the IG have released their findings, but somehow you and WDMSO and Spence already know that it's a sham.

they got the same marching orders

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

they got the same marching orders

Right, they're regurgitating Chris Hayes and Rachael Maddow. No facts.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Right, they're regurgitating Chris Hayes and Rachael Maddow. No facts.

To bad like most of your conspiracys wrong again.. but keep thinking thats what people push back against your conclusions do.. its your easy button

As for predictable responses yes mine are predictable and very consistent .. they are always in response to yours or othrt conspiracy driven suggestions of whats truth and whats not.

You really need to see beyound and thru your victimization of Trump

Because with out doubt if you replaced Obama for Trump or Erich holder for Barr or Clinton for Pompeo

With the facts as they are to day. The trascipts the audio having a private lawer doing governments business

Your tune would be so very diffrent.. why would that be the case? Facts should be facts that is unless your just a partisan hack or just hypocritically . And clearly your both
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Facts should be facts that is unless your just a partisan hack or just hypocritically . And clearly your both
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I'm the one waiting for facts. You're the one who was 100% ignorant of the details of the investigation, yet somehow already concluded that it was a conspiracy-laden sham.

But you're the one who gets the facts first? And I'm the one who jumps to politically motivated conclusions? Not even you believe that. Tell us some major policy items on which you vehemently disagree with democrats. I'll just wait patiently.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm the one waiting for facts. You're the one who was 100% ignorant of the details of the investigation, yet somehow already concluded that it was a conspiracy-laden sham.

But you're the one who gets the facts first? And I'm the one who jumps to politically motivated conclusions? Not even you believe that. Tell us some major policy items on which you vehemently disagree with democrats. I'll just wait patiently.

Glad you dodged the 1st part of my response.. lol
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Same question to you, how do you know that Trump is inappropriately delegitimizing the work of the FBI and DOJ? How do you know that they weren't actually acting inappropriately?

Obviously neither of us work in the intelligence community, but I make my opinion based on the fact Trump lies daily, it's how he operates. The interviews of some highly respected X CIA, FBI and intelligence personnel unequivocally deny any political bias in the operations of those agencies. So do I believe the habitual lier or highly respected people who worked in those departments; easy call for me anyway. The investigation into the investigation, which was already done and signed off on, should never have started and the only reason it did, is because Barr is the new Trump enforcer.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Obviously neither of us work in the intelligence community, but I make my opinion based on the fact Trump lies daily, it's how he operates. The interviews of some highly respected X CIA, FBI and intelligence personnel unequivocally deny any political bias in the operations of those agencies. So do I believe the habitual lier or highly respected people who worked in those departments; easy call for me anyway. The investigation into the investigation, which was already done and signed off on, should never have started and the only reason it did, is because Barr is the new Trump enforcer.

US attorney Durham, not Trump, declared it's now a criminal matter. Look up his record.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

US attorney Durham, not Trump, declared it's now a criminal matter. Look up his record.

they don't care, they are mired in propaganda

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

they don't care, they are mired in propaganda

Obviously you are right. Anything that comes from the right, is instantly and reflexively dismissed. It's not possible that Republicans can be victims of liberal wrongdoing, not even remotely possible. Because orange man bad.

And they say Trumps supporters are close minded and thoughtless.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

US attorney Durham, not Trump, declared it's now a criminal matter. Look up his record.

Wasn't suggest he isn't a good guy, I'm saying it never should have started in the first place, Barr is being used by Trump for political gains and he for some strange reason is acting like his enforcer.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

, I'm saying it never should have started in the first place, .

Based on WHAT? Because you don't like Trump, therefore he can never have a valid reason to request any investigation into anything?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Obviously neither of us work in the intelligence community, but I make my opinion based on the fact Trump lies daily, it's how he operates. The interviews of some highly respected X CIA, FBI and intelligence personnel unequivocally deny any political bias in the operations of those agencies. So do I believe the habitual lier or highly respected people who worked in those departments; easy call for me anyway. The investigation into the investigation, which was already done and signed off on, should never have started and the only reason it did, is because Barr is the new Trump enforcer.

And regardless of what you think of Trump (I agree he's a liar), please tell me if I'm wrong about any of the following...

Certain high level DOJ officials, like FBI agents Stzrok and Paige, made no secret in their texts that they really wanted Hilary to win, and also played key roles in investigating both Hilary and Trump

The DOJ used the Steele dossier, paid for by the Clinton campaign, as part of the FISA application to spy on an American citizen. They did not tell the FISA judge that the dossier was political opposition research. That American citizen has not been charged, ket alone convicted, of anything.

The DOJ was spying on the Poppodopolous guy, part of the Trump campaign. He has also not been convicted of anything.

Certainly there's no smoking gun there. but isn't it maybe worth investigating, especially in the hands of someone with Durham's resume?

If they didn't do anything wrong, let's say so and drop it. If they did, let's admit it and fix it.