So the local friendly Antifa...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim doesn't realize that the issue is much deeper than just cops using excessive force on black people.

I'm the only one talking about things other than cops using excessive force. Takes some serious liberal logic to conclude that the only person mentioning the deeper issues, is the one with no grasp of those issues. I suppose the ones who deny the bigger issues, are the ones with the best grasp of those deeper issues?

I have an idea. Let's take a huge group of people. Let's annihilate the notion of the nuclear family, do everything we can to promote fatherlessness within that community. Let's make many of them addicted to welfare, rob them of the natural human instinct to get ahead. Let's tell them religion is useless. Let's refuse to let them choose to send their kids to better schools (interesting, since liberals like to pat themselves on the back as being pro choice). And when that all inevitably results in huge ghettos full of those people, let's tell the world that white cops are to blame for it all.

That's what democrats have done for blacks. Make that wrong.

Oh, and let's put an abortion clinic on every corner, so that their numbers don't get too crazy.



That's what your side has done. The late, great, liberal Daniel Partick Moynihan saw it coming in the late 60s or early 70s. He was dead on.

[Pete F.]

Someone is

You would think that the population of blacks in the Republican States would be doing much better than their cohorts in the Democratic States.

They are not.

But..But..But.......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Someone is

.......

Please tell me what I said, specifically, that was wrong.

Tell me which of these is wrong, and why...

Liberals attack the notion of the traditional nuclear family
Liberals embrace the idea that sex is casual
liberals do not emphasize the downside of fatherlessness
liberals are less enthusiastic about religion
liberals tend to think the best way to fight poverty, is to give people cash
liberals oppose school choice

[scottw]

I hope they decide to expand their borders to all of Seattle...

hey, can these people still vote now that they've decided they are no longer part of the united states?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What could be done about police violence, real or imagined?
First of all we could track what is happening, we don't.
Police Departments are being accused of violating citizens Constitutional rights.

Well, sunshine, we DO track that. We do, in fact, track race in car stops, arrests, and other situations and reports are generated automatically at the local level for and by requirements of individual states. I am familiar with RI's and know other states have it as well. This system has been implemented for more than a few years. I cannot go into more detail than that.

Originally Posted by spence

They didn't put up a wall, they just moved some barricades to block cars after a white nationalist drove into the crowd and shot a protester. I think I've read one or two people with guns have been reported. The police have walked back the reports of extortion which were just rumors.

It seems like this is more of a block party sit in that anything else

: "I think I've read"

"white nationalist drove into the crowd and shot a protester." Link?

[Pete F.]

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What could be done about police violence, real or imagined?
First of all we could track what is happening, we don't.
Police Departments are being accused of violating citizens Constitutional rights.

The Federal Government actually has an entity created to make sure that the Constitution is followed.
It was created after the Civil War to ensure that the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments were followed.
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It's called the Department of Justice.
It doesn't have jurisdiction over looting, vandalism, and even assault as they are all state crimes and may have some jurisdiction over rioting in some cases.
But it does have the power to examine pattern and practice in law enforcement organizations.
A systemic review of some police organizations starting with Minneapolis, Buffalo, NYC etc. would be well within it's purview.
But Barr refuses to do that.
One would think that he would apply the same diligence and enthusiasm to investigating law enforcement organizations at the state level as he has at the Federal level, it is a core responsibility of the organization he leads.

Originally Posted by JohnR

Well, sunshine, we DO track that. We do, in fact, track race in car stops, arrests, and other situations and reports are generated automatically at the local level for and by requirements of individual states. I am familiar with RI's and know other states have it as well. This system has been implemented for more than a few years. I cannot go into more detail than that.

But "we" as citizens cannot see that data

And that's exactly why the DOJ is the agency that should investigate.
The records are not public or accessible to investigators outside of police agencies and as has been demonstrated repeatedly police do not like to be investigated by anyone, internally or externally.
So things happen, nobody talks and life goes on.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But "we" as citizens cannot see that data

And that's exactly why the DOJ is the agency that should investigate.
The records are not public or accessible to investigators outside of police agencies and as has been demonstrated repeatedly police do not like to be investigated by anyone, internally or externally.
So things happen, nobody talks and life goes on.

The only reason you want DOJ to investigate is to castigate the DOJ.


"We" as citizens, have proven unable to properly handle that data.

"We" as citizens, should be able to have a detailed dissection of the data and drill down and have comprehensive discussions BUT WE DON'T.

"We" as citizens, like Mom's Demand Action and Everytown, do not look at already PUBLICLY available data on firearm deaths for rifles (average less than 350 per year) and determine that this MASSIVE Gun Grab that divides this country is but for a tiny sliver (less than 0.1%).

So, yeh, maybe it is best NOT to have the data publicly available.

But if you wanted, you could go to your state and ask THEM for the data, or have the local paper do it.