Disaster

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Says the military expert who ignores that a withdrawal will turn into an evacuation . when the The Army the US spent 88 billion to train and equip for 20 years and was the primary security for the US , and we expected them to have our back . Yet Decided they could care less if the Taliban took over or what happens to them or their families just laid down ..

That would change thing quickly but again in a conservatives world facts get abandoned! and being outraged is just easier
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Obviously not everything that happens there is Bidens fault. But since Got Stripers says it was inevitable that things would get chaotic, can you explain why we would walk away from our military airfield which was specifically built to make it readily defendable, and rely solely on an impossible-to-defend civilian airpoirt, in a capital city?

"in a conservatives world facts get abandoned! "

In just about every one of your posts on this thread, you are saying that only conservatives are criticizing Biden for the way this unfolded. That's not close to true, he's getting serious criticism from democrats in congress and in the media. How's that for a fact that doesn't matter.

John R and TDF aren't rabid right wingers. It might make you feel better to try and convince yourself that nobody to the left of Sean Hannity is critical of Biden, but that's not the reality.

Try telling Seth Moulton that only partisan right wingers are critical. Moulton is a democratic congressman from Massachusetts, and he's a very progressive, liberal democrat at that. He also did 4 tours in Iraq. Here's his take on what unfolded...

"To say that today is anything short of a disaster would be dishonest. Worse, it was avoidable. "

https://moulton.house.gov/press-rele...in-afghanistan

another comment by Moulton...

"even if you completely agree with the Biden administration’s decision to withdraw, the way they have handled this has been a total f---ing disaster,”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/arti...abul-trip.html

So go ahead and lie to yourself that all criticism is nothing but partisan politics. The blind partisan on this thread is you, refusing to concede that the politician you support, mismanaged this at all, when people from all sides are saying he did.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Obviously not everything that happens there is Bidens fault. But since Got Stripers says it was inevitable that things would get chaotic, can you explain why we would walk away from our military airfield which was specifically built to make it readily defendable, and rely solely on an impossible-to-defend civilian airpoirt, in a capital city?

According to the Pentagon it was determined too risky to secure both airports without a significant troop increase above what they already planned for. Baghram I believe is about 60 klicks from Kabul, no way to get people there.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

According to the Pentagon it was determined too risky to secure both airports without a significant troop increase above what they already planned for. Baghram I believe is about 60 klicks from Kabul, no way to get people there.

no way whatsoever, nope. With all the technological advances, maybe someday we’ll have a way to transport humans that distance.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no way whatsoever, nope. With all the technological advances, maybe someday we’ll have a way to transport humans that distance.
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Sure, because in Kabul you have bus transports for 120,000 people just ready to go. I guess they could have called Greyhound

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Sure, because in Kabul you have bus transports for 120,000 people just ready to go. I guess they could have called Greyhound

so why are so many military experts saying we should
have held onto Baghram? none of them thought the logistics through?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so why are so many military experts saying we should
have held onto Baghram? none of them thought the logistics through?
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Jim who do you think planned the mission ! and the when and why to close that base ! it was the military experts ! not the arm chair experts on FOX or newsmax or Biden with a black sharpie

Do you hear yourself I trust the retired guy on TV over the actual General conducting the mission


Kinda like the vaccines don’t work but let me get some of that avermectin Logic
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Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim who do you think planned the mission ! and the when and why to close that base ! it was the military experts ! not the arm chair experts on FOX or newsmax or Biden with a black sharpie

Plenty of ex military being critical on MSNBC and CNN also, but as you said, they weren't doing the planning.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim who do you think planned the mission ! and the when and why to close that base ! it was the military experts ! not the arm chair experts on FOX or newsmax or Biden with a black sharpie

Do you hear yourself I trust the retired guy on TV over the actual General conducting the mission


Kinda like the vaccines don’t work but let me get some of that avermectin Logic
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the generals who go on and on about the benefits of diversity? Sorry, wearing a uniform doesn't bestow infallability.

The "experts" (military and civilian) get good grades for the total number of people they got out, and they get a big, fat, well-deserved F for how horribly the last few days were managed.

"Kinda like the vaccines don’t work"

I never said anything that stupid. Fully vaccinated. Kinda like saying "defund the police".

Hindsight is always 20/20. Looking back, it sure would have been nice if we had access to a safe, secure airfield during the last few days. As GS said, it was guaranteed to descend into chaos, which again, makes it more critical to have had Baghram.