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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no way whatsoever, nope. With all the technological advances, maybe someday we’ll have a way to transport humans that distance.
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Sure, because in Kabul you have bus transports for 120,000 people just ready to go. I guess they could have called Greyhound

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Sure, because in Kabul you have bus transports for 120,000 people just ready to go. I guess they could have called Greyhound

so why are so many military experts saying we should
have held onto Baghram? none of them thought the logistics through?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so why are so many military experts saying we should
have held onto Baghram? none of them thought the logistics through?
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Jim who do you think planned the mission ! and the when and why to close that base ! it was the military experts ! not the arm chair experts on FOX or newsmax or Biden with a black sharpie

Do you hear yourself I trust the retired guy on TV over the actual General conducting the mission


Kinda like the vaccines don’t work but let me get some of that avermectin Logic
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Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim who do you think planned the mission ! and the when and why to close that base ! it was the military experts ! not the arm chair experts on FOX or newsmax or Biden with a black sharpie

Plenty of ex military being critical on MSNBC and CNN also, but as you said, they weren't doing the planning.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Plenty of ex military being critical on MSNBC and CNN also, but as you said, they weren't doing the planning.

Maybe they should have been doing the planning. The people doing the planning, bungled the last few days (but did a good job getting so many out before). That's not just the opinion of the biased right. It's the opinion of everyone not among the biased left. You guys, as always, can't see it, because none of you can say anything critical about any democrat. NEVER.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Maybe they should have been doing the planning. The people doing the planning, bungled the last few days (but did a good job getting so many out before). That's not just the opinion of the biased right. It's the opinion of everyone not among the biased left. You guys, as always, can't see it, because none of you can say anything critical about any democrat. NEVER.

I don't see the military planners as being that political. They were given a policy decision by Trump (i.e. surrender to terrorists rather than broker an enforceable peace deal) that was essentially non-reversible. Granted, Biden campaigned on getting out also, but the military planners were just crafting a mission to execute policy and they were working from some bad assumptions.

The Taliban were going to take over regardless, it just happened much faster than anticipated. Amazing how our troops responded to get so many out so fast without massive carnage, not to diminish those that died in the one bombing.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't see the military planners as being that political. They were given a policy decision by Trump (i.e. surrender to terrorists rather than broker an enforceable peace deal) that was essentially non-reversible. Granted, Biden campaigned on getting out also, but the military planners were just crafting a mission to execute policy and they were working from some bad assumptions.

The Taliban were going to take over regardless, it just happened much faster than anticipated. Amazing how our troops responded to get so many out so fast without massive carnage, not to diminish those that died in the one bombing.

trumps deal was conditions based, was it not? why was it non reversible? so many other trump policies were overturned.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Maybe they should have been doing the planning. The people doing the planning, bungled the last few days (but did a good job getting so many out before). That's not just the opinion of the biased right. It's the opinion of everyone not among the biased left. You guys, as always, can't see it, because none of you can say anything critical about any democrat. NEVER.

Really Obama just made this war worse, happy now?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim who do you think planned the mission ! and the when and why to close that base ! it was the military experts ! not the arm chair experts on FOX or newsmax or Biden with a black sharpie

Do you hear yourself I trust the retired guy on TV over the actual General conducting the mission


Kinda like the vaccines don’t work but let me get some of that avermectin Logic
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the generals who go on and on about the benefits of diversity? Sorry, wearing a uniform doesn't bestow infallability.

The "experts" (military and civilian) get good grades for the total number of people they got out, and they get a big, fat, well-deserved F for how horribly the last few days were managed.

"Kinda like the vaccines don’t work"

I never said anything that stupid. Fully vaccinated. Kinda like saying "defund the police".

Hindsight is always 20/20. Looking back, it sure would have been nice if we had access to a safe, secure airfield during the last few days. As GS said, it was guaranteed to descend into chaos, which again, makes it more critical to have had Baghram.