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Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 09:17 AM

Maher isn’t known to be a right wing nut, despite what spence might say.

If it’s a flaw for conservatives to be wrong on the science behind climate change, why are liberals exaggerating the threat of covid? it can’t be that they’re using covid for political gain, could
it?

He also admits what what everyone knows, that Desantis kicked Cuomos ass in terms of protecting seniors ( and florida’s case counts are dropping like a rock the last few weeks, which none of the lefties felt compelled to mention, though they enthusiastically posted when Florida’s numbers spiked).

Party of science? It seems that both parties are willing to defy science to win elections.

spence · 10-21-2021, 10:34 AM

This is pretty sloppy for Maher. The stat he calls out was about unvaccinated people, not people in general.

If you read the actual survey it also mentions things like ...

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Democrats provide much higher and more accurate vaccine efficacy estimates than Republicans (88% vs. 50%), and unvaccinated Republicans have a median vaccine efficacy of 0%, compared with 73% for vaccinated Republicans. The results suggest that the low vaccine uptake among Republicans may be driven, at least in part, by an inaccurate understanding of the published data on vaccine effectiveness

And comparing Cuomo to DeSantis is just stupid. NY's first spike in senior deaths came at a time when we didn't understand much about Covid and didn't have a vaccine. Florida has been one of the worst states in the nation, July through September leading every state by far for deaths 65+

scottw · 10-21-2021, 10:52 AM

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Florida has been one of the worst states in the nation, July through September leading every state by far for deaths 65+

Florida is one of the best currently and "experts" can't figure out why...

YAHOO DeSantis's critics fall silent as Florida's COVID-19 cases drop

Tue, October 19, 2021

NEWSWEEK -According to data from The New York Times. At a seven-day average of about 2,600 new cases per day, Florida is experiencing one of the lowest case counts (per 100,000 people) of any state.

Florida's rate is lower than that in all but two states.

On a per capita basis over the past seven days, Florida has had fewer cases than every state in the contiguous United States, with the exception of California.

Data from a Johns Hopkins University tracker shows the Sunshine State hasn't seen a significant surge in vaccinations over the past several months, and it's unclear exactly why cases are trending downward.

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

This is pretty sloppy for Maher. The stat he calls out was about unvaccinated people, not people in general.

If you read the actual survey it also mentions things like ...

And comparing Cuomo to DeSantis is just stupid. NY's first spike in senior deaths came at a time when we didn't understand much about Covid and didn't have a vaccine. Florida has been one of the worst states in the nation, July through September leading every state by far for deaths 65+

"Florida has been one of the worst states in the nation, July through September leading every state by far for deaths 65+"

And we can only wonder why you excluded October? Could it be because Floridas numbers are getting better, now that the weather has cooled and people can spend time outside again?

"And comparing Cuomo to DeSantis is just stupid."

Hey, you got one right!

Desantis didn't order nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents and then fudge the numbers.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/desantis-c...110000651.html

"came at a time when we didn't understand much about Covid"

We knew that it was going to hit the elderly the hardest, we knew that when Cuomo forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents. My company sells professional liability to nursing homes, I was on calls with lawyers and NY nursing homes all day long, wondering why the heck he was doing what he was doing.

But you can't criticize Cuomo.

Anyway, if there's some reason why we should only judge Florida based on its worst three months, and ignore what's happened since then, I'm all ears.

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw

Florida is one of the best currently and "experts" can't figure out why...

YAHOO DeSantis's critics fall silent as Florida's COVID-19 cases drop

Tue, October 19, 2021

NEWSWEEK -According to data from The New York Times. At a seven-day average of about 2,600 new cases per day, Florida is experiencing one of the lowest case counts (per 100,000 people) of any state.

Florida's rate is lower than that in all but two states.

On a per capita basis over the past seven days, Florida has had fewer cases than every state in the contiguous United States, with the exception of California.

Data from a Johns Hopkins University tracker shows the Sunshine State hasn't seen a significant surge in vaccinations over the past several months, and it's unclear exactly why cases are trending downward.

Florida is in the south, and it's so hot in the summer people stay inside. As weather cools and people go outside, the rates will drop.

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 11:33 AM

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On a per capita basis over the past seven days, Florida has had fewer cases than every state in the contiguous United States, with the exception of California.

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Spence will celebrate that CA is the best, desperately pretend to ignore that FL is #2. We can only judge red states on their worst time periods. Because of science.

Pete F. · 10-21-2021, 11:33 AM

Ooh, another of Jim's liberals baaaad threads
It's always liberals bad, conservatives save the world, except for blah, blah, blah....

His threads always echo the latest right wing media baloney

spence · 10-21-2021, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And we can only wonder why you excluded October? Could it be because Floridas numbers are getting better, now that the weather has cooled and people can spend time outside again?

Because that's what the article I read showed, sure October is getting a lot better in FL because it's getting better in nearly if not every state. FL had a very bad summer so the drop looks more dramatic. Taking a small data point and trying to make a political assumption off of it doesn't make a lot of sense.

scottw · 10-21-2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence will celebrate that CA is the best, desperately pretend to ignore that FL is #2. We can only judge red states on their worst time periods. Because of science.

spence will cherry pick time frames...but you may not

scottw · 10-21-2021, 11:45 AM

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because it's getting better in nearly if not every state.

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not in Vermont the most vaccinated state in the country.... yesterday- Despite nation's highest vaccination rate, Vermont COVID-19 cases remain high, a surprise given Vermont's position as the nation's most-vaccinated state. SURPRISE!!

and it was only September ago when Florida was being hammered as being irresponsible regarding masking and all of florida was predicted to die as a result....

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Taking a small data point and trying to make a political assumption off of it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Sort of like taking July-September, when it's been 18 months we've been dealing with this. You cherry picked a specific 3 month window to make FL look bad, and you did it for political reasons, and you got caught.

People are moving to FL in huge numbers. They aren't doing so because they want to die from covid.

wdmso · 10-21-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Maher isn’t known to be a right wing nut, despite what spence might say.

If it’s a flaw for conservatives to be wrong on the science behind climate change, why are liberals exaggerating the threat of covid? it can’t be that they’re using covid for political gain, could
it?

He also admits what what everyone knows, that Desantis kicked Cuomos ass in terms of protecting seniors ( and florida’s case counts are dropping like a rock the last few weeks, which none of the lefties felt compelled to mention, though they enthusiastically posted when Florida’s numbers spiked).

you do understand this was in May .. and when will we see Conservatives telling facts Party of science? It seems that both parties are willing to defy science to win elections.

You do understand this was in May .. and when will we see Conservatives actual telling their viewers facts ?

Bill doesn't kowtow any base or party

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

October is getting a lot better in FL because it's getting better in nearly if not every state. .

From yahoo that Scott posted:

On a per capita basis over the past seven days, Florida has had fewer cases than every state in the contiguous United States, with the exception of California.

Not every state is seeing the improvement FL is seeing. It's not just a function of Florida having nowhere to go but down.

If what you said isn't pure bullsh*t, why isn't "nearly every state" doing as well as CA and FL?

scottw · 10-21-2021, 11:50 AM

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kowtow

this is racist and culturally appropriating...

wdmso · 10-21-2021, 11:56 AM

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not in Vermont the most vaccinated state in the country.... yesterday- Despite nation's highest vaccination rate, Vermont COVID-19 cases remain high, a surprise given Vermont's position as the nation's most-vaccinated state. SURPRISE!!

and it was only September ago when Florida was being hammered as being irresponsible regarding masking and all of florida was predicted to die as a result....

are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

VT Health reports 202 new COVID-19 cases Oh the horror

and MA reports Mass. reports 1,888 new COVID-19 cases

and Fla 2500 new daily cases

Scott comparing things as equal where have we seen that

wdmso · 10-21-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

From yahoo that Scott posted:

On a per capita basis over the past seven days, Florida has had fewer cases than every state in the contiguous United States, with the exception of California.

Not every state is seeing the improvement FL is seeing. It's not just a function of Florida having nowhere to go but down.

If what you said isn't pure bullsh*t, why isn't "nearly every state" doing as well as CA and FL?

you left this part out After Record High Surge

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-cov...-surge-1639985

The Dad Fisherman · 10-21-2021, 12:04 PM

Population Vermont = 624,000. 03232%
Population Florida = 21,500,000. 01162%
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scottw · 10-21-2021, 12:07 PM

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are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

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we know it's 100% the fault of the unvaccinated...

scottw · 10-21-2021, 12:08 PM

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Population Vermont = 624,000
Population Florida = 21,500,000
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stop comparing things a equal!

scottw · 10-21-2021, 12:09 PM

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Scott comparing things as equal where have we seen that

I didn't(compare things a equal)...I can't decipher the rest of that.....

Pete F. · 10-21-2021, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw

not in Vermont the most vaccinated state in the country.... yesterday- Despite nation's highest vaccination rate, Vermont COVID-19 cases remain high, a surprise given Vermont's position as the nation's most-vaccinated state. SURPRISE!!

and it was only September ago when Florida was being hammered as being irresponsible regarding masking and all of florida was predicted to die as a result....

In Vermont, Orleans and Essex counties lead the state by far in cases and lag in vaccinations.
They are also the counties that guess who won or did best in.

That being said, the Delta variant seems to run thru the population quickly. Luckily for the vaccinated it rarely requires hospitalization, but not for those who are not vaccinated.

We will see what the next variant brings, the larger the infected pool the greater the chance of variants developing.
Covid is perfectly willing to play the game and the bigger the field, the better it does.

scottw · 10-21-2021, 01:16 PM

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In Vermont

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yawn.....

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso

are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

VT Health reports 202 new COVID-19 cases Oh the horror

and MA reports Mass. reports 1,888 new COVID-19 cases

and Fla 2500 new daily cases

Scott comparing things as equal where have we seen that

You're comparing number of cases, not rates per 100,000?

Yeah that makes sense.

Good lord man.

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso

are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

You'd have to assume the unvaccinated, but there are breakouts at colleges that have close to a 100% vaccination rate. How do you explain that? Unless the vaccine isn't quite as effective as we were told.

wdmso · 10-21-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You'd have to assume the unvaccinated, but there are breakouts at colleges that have close to a 100% vaccination rate. How do you explain that? Unless the vaccine isn't quite as effective as we were told.

What were told our what you decided you heard

wdmso · 10-21-2021, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're comparing number of cases, not rates per 100,000?

Yeah that makes sense.

Good lord man.

As if scott or you were making your case based on case rates per 100,000 I guess I missed where either of you said anything close

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 01:50 PM

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As if scott or you were making your case based on case rates per 100,000 I guess I missed where either of you said anything close

because it never occurred to us you’d be looking at absolute counts, not rates. counts are meaningless, because they’re biased against small states.
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spence · 10-21-2021, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Desantis didn't order nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents and then fudge the numbers.

Actually the order was for nursing homes to take back covid patients after they had recovered. The NY Department of Health studied this and found it had no impact on caseload. He did under report and got slammed for it.

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 02:35 PM

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Actually the order was for nursing homes to take back covid patients after they had recovered. The NY Department of Health studied this and found it had no impact on caseload. He did under report and got slammed for it.

WRONG.

Sick people were admitted to nursing homes. I work in this industry. They were forced back into homes after they left the hospital, very different from being fully recovered and no longer contagious. Look it up.

Jim in CT · 10-21-2021, 02:37 PM

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He did under report and got ~~slammed~~ universal praise from the left, a book deal, and an Emmy for it.

fixed it for ya.