Gulf of Maine warming

[hq2]

Well obviously, the price needs to come down; but it’s been dropping lately. And as for solar, just put it in last year. A great deal! Got 5k in tax writeoffs on a 15k purchase; will also get great resale value on our house too, more than the original purchase price.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by hq2

Well obviously, the price needs to come down; but it’s been dropping lately. And as for solar, just put it in last year. A great deal! Got 5k in tax writeoffs on a 15k purchase; will also get great resale value on our house too, more than the original purchase price.
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If I stay in current house, I will get solar, if I get a new house, I will get solar. But the price coming down, and more adoption of solar, does not solve our energy needs. You cannot draw a line between where we are to what the "experts" say we'll need.

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

This.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If I stay in current house, I will get solar, if I get a new house, I will get solar. But the price coming down, and more adoption of solar, does not solve our energy needs. You cannot draw a line between where we are to what the "experts" say we'll need.

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

EXACTLY. Exactly, exactly, exactly.

If you get solar panels, make sure that (1) either they lie close enough to your roof that birds can't get in there, or (2) that you have mesh fencing around them to keep birds out. You'll never hear a solar panel salesmen say this, but panels are bird magnets. We had a bird infestation of biblical proportions under our panels. These birds were way past merely building nests, they were putting in roads and schools and electing a planning & zoning committee, under my panels until we had them cleaned out. I thought they were going to take my house by eminent domain. It was disgusting. It was funny, but also very disgusting.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If I stay in current house, I will get solar, if I get a new house, I will get solar. But the price coming down, and more adoption of solar, does not solve our energy needs. You cannot draw a line between where we are to what the "experts" say we'll need.

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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[piemma]

There are many benefits to living in the little hamlet of Pascoag.

One of the best is our little non=profit electric company. We pay .03 a KwH. National Greed charges .10 a KwH.

Thus, my bill all winter has been $70 to $80. Even with central air running all summer we are about $140 to $150.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

There are many benefits to living in the little hamlet of Pascoag.

One of the best is our little non=profit electric company. We pay .03 a KwH. National Greed charges .10 a KwH.

Thus, my bill all winter has been $70 to $80. Even with central air running all summer we are about $140 to $150.

here in the hartford suburbs, most of us are forced to use eversourve. couple of summers ago, they instituted “delivery charges” on the electric bills, my delivery charges are larger than the cost of the electricity i buy.

before i put panels in, ( we have central air and an in ground pool
with electric heat pump), i had an august electric bull in 2016 that was $565. that was more than the mortgage on the first condo we owned.
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[Raider Ronnie]

Green energy is nothing more than a huge $$$ grab !!!
Certain groups are getting filthy rich off it !
Show me a politician or one of the beautiful people in Hollyweird driving a Prius, have solar panels on the mansions or not flying around on private jets !
If this country is so concerned with the environment why aren’t we getting after China and other countries who have no concern about the environment, instead we sell out all our manufacturing to them and depend on them and their crap we need.
Auto manufacturers have technology that they can run the internal combustion engine on water/hydrogen but instead they own every patent on the technology to make sure it’s not utilized, why ????
Where’s the profit 🤔🤔🤔

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I see that said a lot but that sounds pretty disingenuous. Guessing it is a right wing talking point coming from faux news. People could drive a corolla for 15k and double their fuel economy and have a pretty large net impact as a whole. No sympathy for people getting 20 mpg in their daily drivers when it comes to gas prices. Plenty of inexpensive new or pre-owned efficient cars. Also, a fully electric mid sized kia is about 12k below the average price of a car last year, after incentives; 5k below average without.
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It's not a Right wing talking point - it's math & physics.

Solar generates about 3% or US power (Guv hopes to get it to 20% in 25-30 years.)
Wind generates 9%
Hydro 6%
All other renewables 1%
So about 20%

Coal is 22%
Gas is 38%
Nuclear is 20%

If you are honest about power generation, you are not going to replace 60% of the US Power Generation with Solar and Wind.

And ^^^^ THIS is just to replace CURRENT energy generation. Before a mile is put on a car.

Originally Posted by zimmy

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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Let's have some lifetime Guv bureaucrats come up with the solutiuoin - that'll work.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

here in the hartford suburbs, most of us are forced to use eversourve. couple of summers ago, they instituted “delivery charges” on the electric bills, my delivery charges are larger than the cost of the electricity i buy.

before i put panels in, ( we have central air and an in ground pool
with electric heat pump), i had an august electric bull in 2016 that was $565. that was more than the mortgage on the first condo we owned.
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INSANE! Almost $600 for electric!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

INSANE! Almost $600 for electric!

Yes, and that was several years ago. My wife is home full time with 3 kids, they like to keep the AC cranking and they like the pool water warm. Not sure why the house has to be a meat locker while the pool has to be a jacuzzi. But the solar panels helped quite a bit.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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oh give me a break, anyone who finds a way to make renewable
energy work, will be the worlds first trilliionaire. all the incentive in the world is there. Turns out, it’s just not an easy thing to pull off. there’s very smart people dedicated to this.

from the 1933 to 1994, the gop controlled congress for a whopping 4 years. 4 years out of 60. so how is this all the GOP’s fault, exactly?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by hq2

Well obviously, the price needs to come down; but it’s been dropping lately. And as for solar, just put it in last year. A great deal! Got 5k in tax writeoffs on a 15k purchase; will also get great resale value on our house too, more than the original purchase price.
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I also have solar panels on my house. I like them, and I'd do it again if I had to. But I'm not certain it always increases home value in all cases.

It's not just the price of electric cars that needs to come WAY down, though it obviously does. The range needs to increase, we need way more charging stations, and last but not least, we need a way to generate the electricity to power all those charging stations. Wind and solar aren't even worth mentioning, they're nowhere near sufficient. Nuclear would do it, but we aren't supposed to talk about that. Are we supposed to rub balloons on our heads all day long?

I have a friend who has been a commercial lobsterman in P-Town for many years. After two years of dismal catches, he's left the industry, he can't make a living in Cape Cod Bay. The line below which water is too warm for lobsters, is moving north, rapidly. The water is obviously warming, and it's having bad effects.