Gulf of Maine warming

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If I stay in current house, I will get solar, if I get a new house, I will get solar. But the price coming down, and more adoption of solar, does not solve our energy needs. You cannot draw a line between where we are to what the "experts" say we'll need.

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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[piemma]

There are many benefits to living in the little hamlet of Pascoag.

One of the best is our little non=profit electric company. We pay .03 a KwH. National Greed charges .10 a KwH.

Thus, my bill all winter has been $70 to $80. Even with central air running all summer we are about $140 to $150.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

There are many benefits to living in the little hamlet of Pascoag.

One of the best is our little non=profit electric company. We pay .03 a KwH. National Greed charges .10 a KwH.

Thus, my bill all winter has been $70 to $80. Even with central air running all summer we are about $140 to $150.

here in the hartford suburbs, most of us are forced to use eversourve. couple of summers ago, they instituted “delivery charges” on the electric bills, my delivery charges are larger than the cost of the electricity i buy.

before i put panels in, ( we have central air and an in ground pool
with electric heat pump), i had an august electric bull in 2016 that was $565. that was more than the mortgage on the first condo we owned.
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[Raider Ronnie]

Green energy is nothing more than a huge $$$ grab !!!
Certain groups are getting filthy rich off it !
Show me a politician or one of the beautiful people in Hollyweird driving a Prius, have solar panels on the mansions or not flying around on private jets !
If this country is so concerned with the environment why aren’t we getting after China and other countries who have no concern about the environment, instead we sell out all our manufacturing to them and depend on them and their crap we need.
Auto manufacturers have technology that they can run the internal combustion engine on water/hydrogen but instead they own every patent on the technology to make sure it’s not utilized, why ????
Where’s the profit 🤔🤔🤔

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I see that said a lot but that sounds pretty disingenuous. Guessing it is a right wing talking point coming from faux news. People could drive a corolla for 15k and double their fuel economy and have a pretty large net impact as a whole. No sympathy for people getting 20 mpg in their daily drivers when it comes to gas prices. Plenty of inexpensive new or pre-owned efficient cars. Also, a fully electric mid sized kia is about 12k below the average price of a car last year, after incentives; 5k below average without.
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It's not a Right wing talking point - it's math & physics.

Solar generates about 3% or US power (Guv hopes to get it to 20% in 25-30 years.)
Wind generates 9%
Hydro 6%
All other renewables 1%
So about 20%

Coal is 22%
Gas is 38%
Nuclear is 20%

If you are honest about power generation, you are not going to replace 60% of the US Power Generation with Solar and Wind.

And ^^^^ THIS is just to replace CURRENT energy generation. Before a mile is put on a car.

Originally Posted by zimmy

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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Let's have some lifetime Guv bureaucrats come up with the solutiuoin - that'll work.

[Rockfish9]

if we dont stop clear cutting forests and strip mining the land... nothing that anyone does is going to matter..every day shade trees are cut down to make room for more condos... rain forests are stripped for timber and development, yet we worry about green house gasses, those very trees, besides making shade and providing their own climate CLEAN THE AIR.

I'd like to see windmills and solar panels on the roofs and in the yards of all the people pushing this agenda.. every Beverly hills mansion and house in the Hamptons should have 2 wind mills! ...and then they can put the LI battery rebuild center in their garages...

when battery power is practical for EVERYONE, people will have no problem switching, let the people decide on their own...stop with the political agenda, I for one am sick and tired of it...

[Got Stripers]

Yup the math doesn't look good and the problem is the world as a whole is reactive not proactive and even though the warnings of climate change severely impacting weather patterns, cautions about ice packs disappearing causing sea level rises and the like; we aren't really in much of a better place then ten years ago. My kids and their kids are going to be the ones dealt the hard hand in the years to come.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

It's not a Right wing talking point - it's math & physics.

I was referring to this part of what you said "I am happy that all of those screaming climate change from the rafters are insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50K electric car powered by wind or solar."

Who is insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50k electric car? I can see why the faux types would say that as it gets nutters wound up.

And you don't want the guv bureaucrats to come up with the solution, but is it ok they already stacked it in favor of the problematic side. One is ok to some people and the other isn't. That is why we are where we are. It's all about money and picking teams. Ironically, demand and therefore consumption and therefore prices and would be a lot lower if it weren't from the ff industry grip on politicians, particulary the nutters.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I was referring to this part of what you said "I am happy that all of those screaming climate change from the rafters are insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50K electric car powered by wind or solar."

Who is insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50k electric car? I can see why the faux types would say that as it gets nutters wound up.

And you don't want the guv bureaucrats to come up with the solution, but is it ok they already stacked it in favor of the problematic side. One is ok to some people and the other isn't. That is why we are where we are. It's all about money and picking teams. Ironically, demand and therefore consumption and therefore prices and would be a lot lower if it weren't from the ff industry grip on politicians, particulary the nutters.

"Who is insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50k electric car? I can see why the faux types would say that as it gets nutters wound up. "

Pete Buttigieg, the transportation secretary, that's who. He said if you have a problem with paying $4.50 for a gallon of gas, the solution was to go buy an electric car. That's a stupid and elitist thing to say for many reasons, but that's what he said.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I was referring to this part of what you said "I am happy that all of those screaming climate change from the rafters are insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50K electric car powered by wind or solar."

Who is insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50k electric car? I can see why the faux types would say that as it gets nutters wound up.

And you don't want the guv bureaucrats to come up with the solution, but is it ok they already stacked it in favor of the problematic side. One is ok to some people and the other isn't. That is why we are where we are. It's all about money and picking teams. Ironically, demand and therefore consumption and therefore prices and would be a lot lower if it weren't from the ff industry grip on politicians, particulary the nutters.

You can't BUY a $15,000 Corolla. Whether on minimum wage or not.

Most of us here are not minimum wage and can grumpily withstand $4/gal fuel more easily than new parents or those starting out.

We have two problems, immediate supply and pricing of fuels that is hampered by Biden Admin, and long term converting where applicable from fossil fuels to more safe power generation" Nuke, some NatGas, and renewables.

And it really means squat if we do all this work and China, India, and others do not. We are sure AF cleaner drilling for oil, extracting it, and processing it than just about anyone else.



And yes, the GUV bureaucrats can't outline a plan that will get us from where we are to where we need to be. If they did you would have seen some. Instead we'll have stupid unimplementable requirements like those in the Green New Deal. But sure, right wing talking points.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by JohnR

It's not a Right wing talking point - it's math & physics.

Solar generates about 3% or US power (Guv hopes to get it to 20% in 25-30 years.)
Wind generates 9%
Hydro 6%
All other renewables 1%
So about 20%

Coal is 22%
Gas is 38%
Nuclear is 20%

If you are honest about power generation, you are not going to replace 60% of the US Power Generation with Solar and Wind.

And ^^^^ THIS is just to replace CURRENT energy generation. Before a mile is put on a car.









Let's have some lifetime Guv bureaucrats come up with the solutiuoin - that'll work.

If everyone didn't hit the nuclear panic button after 3 Mile Island, the US could be producing much more nuclear generated power. It was the solution. The incident at 3 Mile Island showed that safeguards worked. The release of a minimal amount of steam killed the future of the nuclear power industry. I lived about 10 miles south of Pilgrim, and it was the least of my worries.

Here, almost half of our power comes from nuclear and hydro. Only about 4.5% from natural gas, 3% from coal, and the latter is being phased out. We actually burn wood for power, too, about 13% of it comes from wood. Power plants also provide steam for municipal heating in winter.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Mike P

If everyone didn't hit the nuclear panic button after 3 Mile Island, the US could be producing much more nuclear generated power. It was the solution. The incident at 3 Mile Island showed that safeguards worked. The release of a minimal amount of steam killed the future of the nuclear power industry. I lived about 10 miles south of Pilgrim, and it was the least of my worries.

Here, almost half of our power comes from nuclear and hydro. Only about 4.5% from natural gas, 3% from coal, and the latter is being phased out. We actually burn wood for power, too, about 13% of it comes from wood. Power plants also provide steam for municipal heating in winter.

Yes, and the systems they are coming out with now both are not breeder reactors - so they do not generate weapons grade materials in output, and the newest designs being engineered can even use nuclear waste or easy to find materials as fuel.

It is also the only SERIOUS way to power this country if one intends to stop using fossil fuels. Any other plan is absolutely absurd, foolish, and won't work.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

here in the hartford suburbs, most of us are forced to use eversourve. couple of summers ago, they instituted “delivery charges” on the electric bills, my delivery charges are larger than the cost of the electricity i buy.

before i put panels in, ( we have central air and an in ground pool
with electric heat pump), i had an august electric bull in 2016 that was $565. that was more than the mortgage on the first condo we owned.
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INSANE! Almost $600 for electric!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

INSANE! Almost $600 for electric!

Yes, and that was several years ago. My wife is home full time with 3 kids, they like to keep the AC cranking and they like the pool water warm. Not sure why the house has to be a meat locker while the pool has to be a jacuzzi. But the solar panels helped quite a bit.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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oh give me a break, anyone who finds a way to make renewable
energy work, will be the worlds first trilliionaire. all the incentive in the world is there. Turns out, it’s just not an easy thing to pull off. there’s very smart people dedicated to this.

from the 1933 to 1994, the gop controlled congress for a whopping 4 years. 4 years out of 60. so how is this all the GOP’s fault, exactly?
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