Republicans election integrity Lie

[PaulS]

All the growth is coming from the blue cities and their suburbs.

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

All the growth is coming from the blue cities and their suburbs.

Prefer for posts about typos and a bunch of memes.

White collar people are working from home in huge numbers Paul, people can keep their salaries and move wherever they want. They aren't moving in huge numbers to liberal cities.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

White collar people are working from home in huge numbers Paul, people can keep their salaries and move wherever they want. They aren't moving in huge numbers to liberal cities.

Right. Doesn't change any of the facts that the red states all depend on the blue states, are subsidized by them and are all at the bottom of all the social welfare stats.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Right. Doesn't change any of the facts that the red states all depend on the blue states, are subsidized by them and are all at the bottom of all the social welfare stats.

When you do a ridiculously simple univariate look at the data, you know what the potential issues are. If you're comparing red states and blue states in terms of what they pay in federal taxes and what they get, you need to make adjustments, off the top of my head I can think of - you need to adjust for federal money for massive military bases. The money that the feds spend on huge military bases in red states, isn't an example of red states getting handouts. Its something that all 50 states benefit from. Also, there's always been a big federal income tax deduction in high state tax states (blue states) that's not available to residents of states with low tax states (red states), the SALT deduction.

You need to make it specific to welfare type spending, not all federal spending. But that doesn't tell the right story.

And for sure, we need to adjust those numbers to reflect student loan forgiveness, which is a big transfer of money from red states to blue states.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

When you do a ridiculously simple univariate look at the data, you know what the potential issues are. If you're comparing red states and blue states in terms of what they pay in federal taxes and what they get, you need to make adjustments, off the top of my head I can think of - you need to adjust for federal money for massive military bases. The money that the feds spend on huge military bases in red states, isn't an example of red states getting handouts. Its something that all 50 states benefit frombut the state a military base is in benefits far, far, far more than however you think a state that doesn't have that military base in it benefits from it.. Also, there's always been a big federal income tax deduction in high state tax states (blue states) that's not available to residents of states with low tax states (red states), the SALT deductionDidn't that get repealed or am I wrong?.

You need to make it specific to welfare type spending, not all federal spending. But that doesn't tell the right story.

And for sure, we need to adjust those numbers to reflect student loan forgiveness, which is a big transfer of money from red states to blue states.

You have yet to disprove any of the numerous examples showing how the red states lag in every? major social welfare category. Instead you only bring up income tax.

You have samples based on 331,000,000 (a very "credible" number) data points yet you constantly try to look a very small (ten thousand or so) sample and state some red state is better bc of that infinitesimal sample.

Almost 40% of Kansas' GDP is based on fed spending.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You have yet to disprove any of the numerous examples showing how the red states lag in every? major social welfare category. Instead you only bring up income tax.

You have samples based on 331,000,000 (a very "credible" number) data points yet you constantly try to look a very small (ten thousand or so) sample and state some red state is better bc of that infinitesimal sample.

Almost 40% of Kansas' GDP is based on fed spending.

I have never denied that red states lag in certain statistics. This is why I wouldn't throw a dart at a map of a red state and move there.

You're doing what they all do, you're responding to something I never said. I never said every part of Mississippi is better than every part of CT. I said there are huge advantages of living in CT.

But I also said this, and I dare you to refute it...there are specific areas of the US, nice small towns with a high quality of life that do well on the statistics you'd cite, AND those places have a very low tax cost compared to other places with a high quality of life. But the places that offer a high quality of life at a low cost, are disproportionately (if not entirely) in red states. And these are the places that successful, productive, self-sufficient families from blue states, are moving to in big numbers.

I don't think you can prove that those places can't exist without tax money from Greenwich.

You are painting entire red states with the same brush. If I move to Franklin, TN (an absolutely BOOMING suburb of Nashville), I don't care that Memphis is awful, it has no impact on my quality of life. Zip.

Paul, if you were right and those states were so bad, why are people moving there? There are beautiful suburbs in NH where they can't build $600,000 houses fast enough. Who do you think is moving there? Meth heads? Trailer trash folks are buying all those big new houses?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I have never denied that red states lag in certain statistics. This is why I wouldn't throw a dart at a map of a red state and move there.

You're doing what they all do, you're responding to something I never said. I never said every part of Mississippi is better than every part of CT. I said there are huge advantages of living in CT.

But I also said this, and I dare you to refute it...there are specific areas of the US, nice small towns with a high quality of life that do well on the statistics you'd cite, AND those places have a very low tax cost compared to other places with a high quality of life. But the places that offer a high quality of life at a low cost, are disproportionately (if not entirely) in red states. And these are the places that successful, productive, self-sufficient families from blue states, are moving to in big numbers.

I don't think you can prove that those places can't exist without tax money from Greenwich.

You are painting entire red states with the same brush. If I move to Franklin, TN (an absolutely BOOMING suburb of Nashville), I don't care that Memphis is awful, it has no impact on my quality of life. Zip.

Paul, if you were right and those states were so bad, why are people moving there? There are beautiful suburbs in NH where they can't build $600,000 houses fast enough. Who do you think is moving there? Meth heads? Trailer trash folks are buying all those big new houses?

Jim
Guess how many $600k-$800k houses are for sale in NH at that Price this is from Zillow. 458 agent listing

Mass has 2024 agents listings same price range

And Fla about 1000 listings

Keep convincing yourself people are moving because of Taxes freedoms and all your other right wing talking points

Top 3 reasons

Moving For A New Job:

Moving To Reduce Your Commute:

Moving For a Loved One:

Last out of 10 retirement



https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...-to-tampa-bay/


The answers remained a constant for so many years that in 2019 they stopped asking.

“‘The weather’ or ‘I moved here for my job’ were the two primary reasons. Considerably lower down, in third place, was ‘family,’”

But Florida’s elected leaders contend that something different is luring residents. Gov. Ron DeSantis touts the state as a destination for those fleeing COVID-19 restrictions. Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis has suggested northeasterners are escaping “tax hell” for the income-tax-free Sunshine State.

Carrying Ron’s water again?
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