Indonesia- Consider this!!

[outfished]

I also like the wall idea, but how would the stripers get in?

[spence]

That would be the cost of security...

I didn't think the wall idea would really work

-spence

[reelecstasy]

Originally posted by outfished
I also like the wall idea, but how would the stripers get in?

Stripers or strippers?

I am still for the wall, and start with our southern boarders..The #'s of illegals that come over daily is unbelievable

[spence]

Originally posted by reelecstasy
The #'s of illegals that come over daily is unbelievable

Agreed, but who's gonna pick your lettuce?

-spence

[BigBo]

This isn't really about winning hearts and minds anyway. I'd like someone to please point out a single example of militarized insurgancy that has been defeated via extreme violence. Just one, please...if you can.

Ummmmm, let's see. Japan. Germany. You want more? There's lots more. The only way to defeat an enemy is by bringing them to their knees quickly and swiftly. Destroy their will to fight.

[reelecstasy]

Originally posted by spence
Agreed, but who's gonna pick your lettuce?

-spence

well the 50 million or so that are already doing american jobs currently can continue down the lettuce rows...bastages

[fishweewee]

I'm sure Wal-Mart will find a way to globally outsource lettuce-picking.

[spence]

Originally posted by BigBo
Ummmmm, let's see. Japan. Germany. You want more? There's lots more. The only way to defeat an enemy is by bringing them to their knees quickly and swiftly. Destroy their will to fight.

Japan and Germay were conventional wars faught against organized and formal armies. I don't believe there was any post war insurgancy in Japan, and minimal in Germany.

What we're dealing with here is completely different. You can't destroy al Qaida's will to fight, they believe their defending their religion after all, and half-assed attempts will only make them stronger.

And Wee, please don't get me on a rant about Wal-Mart price squeezing produce suppliers

-spence

[fishweewee]

f-o-u-g-h-t

[spence]

Sorry, know time fore spel checkine

-spence

[Nebe]

ya know, this tinfoil helmut is really woking. I have no desire to to explain that the pompus behavior of our government to uphold our contol of the world is what fuels the fire of terrorism... non what-so-ever

[fishweewee]

got an extra helmet Eben?

[spence]

You can get them for free from www.whitehouse.gov

-spence

[fishweewee]

Nah-ah. Click here.

[iluvspots]

Let's go fly some Saudi passenger planes into a few mosques and see how those ragheads like it.

[Squid kids Dad]

Good idea...ILS

[spence]

Yes, very well thought out. When I'm President you can be my Secretary of Defense

-spence

[iluvspots]

I don't do Socialist administrations.

[BigBo]

Conventional or not, totally crushing the enemy is still the way to victory.
When playing a team sport and your ahead, do you feel bad for them and let up? Maybe let them score a few points? Play a "More sensitive game"?
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutly not!

[spence]

ILS, perhaps you could explain what a socialist is then.

I'm not advocating pacifism here, I'd ask you to ask yourselves if we are crushing the enemy.

We moved into Afghanistan without securing the border (a near impossible task) and effectively let the armed Taliban run across the border and into the hills. Instead of applying US force to capture al Qaida leaders we bribed local tribesmen to do it, and they did an abusrdly poor job. Currently Pres. Karzai has little control outside of Kabul and the armed insurgents are filtering back into the country. Opium exports are at an all time high. Many experts are predicting the region will erupt into massive violence within 18 months.

The Buhs Administration has completly f'up just about every aspect of Iraq, and now we face an insurgency of 40,000 with hundred of thousands of sympathisers. What's worse is that our military is so overextended it does not have the logistics to keep going at this rate. In 12 months we will have to pull out ready or not.

Perhaps our most treasured weapon in the war on terror, clear moral high-ground to act freely when necessary, has been effectively erased due to our unjustified urgent unilateral actions and prisoner abuse scandals.

Actions that would really help the war on terror are being ignored. Our border with Mexico still lets millions of illegals through every year. We abandoned the Palestinian peace process delaying for years any possible improvement. There has been zero initiative by the government to reduce our dependancy on fossil fuels and our blood pact with the Saudi's, who by the way are funding most of the anti-US hate in the world.

So the point for BigBo and others is simple. This isn't about being a liberal, a socialist or a non-patriot. It's not about giving up on the team, being a pussy, letting the UN dictate our actions or getting in touch with our emotional sides. It's not even about partisan Buhs bashing...

It's about paying attention to what's really going on, and the realization that our current path is completely awry. We're making little real progress while at the same time fanning the flames that lead to terrorisim in the first place. There is a much better way to fight the war on terror.

-spence

[iluvspots]

So now, you are an expert on military srategy, logistics, and deployment? Did you attend West Point or the Naval War College?

I'd rather hear from someone who's had first-hand experience in the region, rather than some leftist malcontent blow-hard armchair analyst who's been getting his pre-digested "data" from the Communist Globe and the dope-smokers on Air America Radio. Something tells me there's more to this than what's airing on CNN.

[spence]

Originally posted by iluvspots
So now, you are an expert on military srategy, logistics, and deployment? Did you attend West Point or the Naval War College?

Never claimed to be an expert, although I do consume a lot of what the experts write. Interestingly enough, I'd wager the experts from the Naval War College would probably agree with just about everything I'm saying

I'd rather hear from someone who's had first-hand experience in the region, rather than some leftist malcontent blow-hard armchair analyst who's been getting his pre-digested "data" from the Communist Globe and the dope-smokers on Air America Radio. Something tells me there's more to this than what's airing on CNN.

So who's first hand information are you listening to then, and what is first hand information anyway?

Perhaps if you made an effort to actually discuss that to which you disagree, you could gain a better understanding for a very serious viewpoint.

Also, you do realize that communism is much more closely aligned with today's neo-conservatisim than liberalisim. I'm far from being a liberal, (if you kew what one was, you would know that) but in the future please make misguided ad hominem jokes in the context of socialisim so at least you are consistentlywrong

-spence

[Nebe]

[iluvspots]

[spence]

Didn't think you had it in ya

-spence

[iluvspots]

I think Eben looks hot in shorts.

[iluvspots]

hubba hubba. Eben gittin sum. Betcha those Indonesian LBFM's don't even cum close to our purty fish.

[spence]

Can I get a hi-rez version of that???

I want to frame it and give it to my wife as a reminder of what may come...if she doesn't behave

-spence

[iluvspots]

Yup, them cold-blooded slimy beasts are more delectable than those Indonesian LBFM's.

[Nebe]

you thought bass thumb hurt