poaching and the striper cup - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Mr. Sandman · 07-13-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by clambelly

i understand your frustrations...but please don't paint everyone with the same broad brush.

I said "most" and it is from personal observations. When you see entire fleet of boats running as fast as they can from the enforcement officer it is a safe bet that "most" are breaking some law.

clambelly · 07-13-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

I said "most" and it is from personal observations. When you see entire fleet of boats running as fast as they can from the enforcement officer it is a safe bet that "most" are breaking some law.

there are over 7000 striped bass permits issued in massachusetts.

when you see that fleet, i bet you could pick out which guys are actually commercial fisherman, and which guys are weekend warriors looking to play commercial fisherman and trying to line their pockets.

inTHERAPY · 07-13-2006, 03:17 PM

rumor has it, guess who hit a 58# fish last night. Poacher(?) if said unconfirmed story be true, yeah he is. One hell of a fisherman if the 58+ be true, unquestionably. If you think you can cull through fish until you catch the numbers he puts up I think your dreaming. Most comm are not "cheats": poaching, fishing the eez, fishing out of state. And lastly who said that a sometime comm can't "line his pockets".

clambelly · 07-13-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by inTHERAPY

And lastly who said that a sometime comm can't "line his pockets".

that would be me.
i say, they should stick with their desk jobs. if you want to be a commercial fisherman, put your money where your mouth is and go full time. part time fisherman don't have the obligation to the resource like full time guys do. if times get tough, they don't have to go, they'll just stay at their desk.

Slipknot · 07-13-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by clambelly

if times get tough, they don't have to go, they'll just stay at their desk.

what's wrong with that?

JohnR · 07-13-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by inTHERAPY

rumor has it, guess who hit a 58# fish last night. Poacher(?) if said unconfirmed story be true, yeah he is. One hell of a fisherman if the 58+ be true, unquestionably. If you think you can cull through fish until you catch the numbers he puts up I think your dreaming. Most comm are not "cheats": poaching, fishing the eez, fishing out of state. And lastly who said that a sometime comm can't "line his pockets".

True, partially - to be able to catch a 58# bass means you are both lucky - the 58#er had to be there and Good - you had to know based on experience where that fish is likely to be, able to fool it, and get the fish into the boat. I don't think many are doubting the skill of someone commercial fishing for bass. Most of us cannot get out with anything approaching that kind of frequency, both to take a crack at that fish and to develop all of the skills.

As for the EEZ part, I firmly recall going to to an Amendment IV hearing a couple years ago at the Holiday Inn in Dedham where both of the Mass Commercial Bass fisherman said to Paul Diodati and the rest of the panel that they do in fact go well into the EEZ, beyond 12 miles if necessary, to catch all the fish they can sell.

Now as far as what comms do what and how often, I don't know. Half the time we find out because they get caught, how many don't get caught??

majyaday · 07-13-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by inTHERAPY

rumor has it, guess who hit a 58# fish last night. Poacher(?) if said unconfirmed story be true, yeah he is. One hell of a fisherman if the 58+ be true, unquestionably. If you think you can cull through fish until you catch the numbers he puts up I think your dreaming. Most comm are not "cheats": poaching, fishing the eez, fishing out of state. And lastly who said that a sometime comm can't "line his pockets".

It is true I caught another nice fish last night and I would like to defend my self as the one everyone hates so much

Skitterpop · 07-13-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by majyaday

It is true I caught another nice fish last night and I would like to defend my self as the one everyone hates so much

If so lets hear it. Did you get caught poaching?

Mike

majyaday · 07-13-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skitterpop

If so lets hear it. Did you get caught poaching?

Mike

I have been advised to not say anything yet by my attorney just give me the benefit of the doubt

majyaday · 07-13-2006, 08:12 PM

All as I can say at this point is that I live to fish stripers.I fish for them 5 days a week when there in wheather its comm or Im just having having fun catch and release when I have a couple of buddies on the boat and I am out trying to catch a big fish sometimes I catch upwards of 50 Bass a night and if I don t catch a big one I will come in without a fish in the boat.When everything is final I will explain my situation it was a bit of a miscue on my part but in know way am I a poacher and I do not want to be known as one.I hope you all have a safe fishing and everyone get an opertunity to catch a big fish.
Bill Major

Swimmer · 07-13-2006, 09:07 PM

I have to believe the epo had probable cause to cite the guy and summons him to court. But in Massachusetts nobody is ever guilty of anything. All the attorneys went to school together. They all go to the same monthly bar association meetings. They all want to be judges to get the $112,000.00 dollars a year. And none of them rock the boat. And all of them do whatever is necessary to get thier client off, because the LAW protects them in that endeavour.

Swimmer · 07-14-2006, 12:20 PM

If your fishing on a boat where thier is a commercial license available the captain has 30 fish to choose from to weigh in for the Striper Cup Derby. Thats obscene. I mate on a boat this time of year and would have the same opportunity, but have decided not too, because it is simply not fair. It is unethical and immoral at best. At worst ..........Mr. Major isn't the only person in this situation. It simply isn't appropriate that a fisherman who doesn't possess a commercial license is a fifteen to one underdog even before he leaves his driveway or mooring. I'm sure this fellow is a good guy and he is innocent until someone says otherwise. With the thousand of commercial fishing licenses issued there is the potential for this tournament ending before it really has a chance to begin/mature.

JohnR · 07-13-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by majyaday

It is true I caught another nice fish last night and I would like to defend my self as the one everyone hates so much

For one, I'd like to hear what you have to say. Rumor mill has both that you were paoching and that this information will come to some sort of official light. Please tell us what happened and why you did it.

Thanks,

John

Slipknot · 07-13-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by majyaday

It is true I caught another nice fish last night and I would like to defend my self as the one everyone hates so much

Most of us hate poachers, yes it's true.
Go ahead and defend yourself if you are who you say you are.

One question from me, did the EPO's make you put the 4 fish back in the water to feed the crabs, that were above the legal limit?

Slipknot · 07-13-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by clambelly

there are over 7000 striped bass permits issued in massachusetts.

when you see that fleet, i bet you could pick out which guys are actually commercial fisherman, and which guys are weekend warriors looking to play commercial fisherman and trying to line their pockets.

Here's an idea, how about if an "actual commercial fisherman" (who is one of the honest ones) or even a "weekend warrior" get an EPO on his boat so they can easily motor up to the fleet and start checking fo short scup etc. ? Cops get to ride in unmarked cars, why can't the EPO's?

I think the bottom line is, stiffer penalties are needed to discouraged unethical and illeagal fishing practices.

clambelly · 07-13-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

Here's an idea, how about if an "actual commercial fisherman" (who is one of the honest ones) or even a "weekend warrior" get an EPO on his boat so they can easily motor up to the fleet and start checking fo short scup etc. ? Cops get to ride in unmarked cars, why can't the EPO's?

I think the bottom line is, stiffer penalties are needed to discouraged unethical and illeagal fishing practices.

whos stopping you from doing that?

Majyaday...i doubt you are going to find many people will be giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Slipknot · 07-13-2006, 08:21 PM

clambelly

nobody is stopping me, but I am not an epo, not a comm fisherman either.
and I doubt any epo would want to go anywhere in my 11' garvey.
It's just a suggestion to something sandman brought up is all.

Bill, good luck trying to explain your situation, and welcome to S-B.com
most recs. don't take miscues like yours lightly, especially those of us who fish from shore.