Striper Cup 2007 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

tattoobob · 01-09-2007, 06:13 PM

I'm not joining

NIB · 01-09-2007, 07:23 PM

I had 4 fish weighed 146 lbs..
12 lbs off the leader.. to come in third..
No mention or anything.. I got these 4 pins i don't know what to do with..
I busted my but to put them numbers up..
I was in the top five basically since June..
In my book what I did was as good or better than any of the one hit wonders who where able to post a fish from a boat for the grand prize.
Yea sounds like sour grapes..
I should have been better aware of the format..
I doubt next yr i will go thru the same thing Killin 4 majestic beauties for nothin..
There was some talk of a local club being formed to compete on a more competitive level Jersey shore surf casters..
I might feel obligated to kill some stuff for them...

DZ · 01-09-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NIB

I doubt next yr i will go thru the same thing Killin 4 majestic beauties for nothin..

NIB - I respect and admire you for saying that.

DZ

keeperreaper · 01-11-2007, 01:48 PM

I will most likely join but like BB I would like to see a shore division also.

piemma · 01-12-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tattoobob

I'm not joining

Me either. Enough with these tounaments. Just an excuse to kill fish (which in principle I am not opposed to as long as the fish gets eaten).
I have done this long enough and am old enough where I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone. Got enough trophies to start a store. I fish because I love to fish not to win an award.

Flaptail · 01-12-2007, 09:15 AM

What they need to do is have the tournament start earlier and go until November 1st, then they need to have a moratorium period that coincides with the MA. Commercial Season then start again and have a distinct division for surf and one for boat or give the surf guys two points for every one of the boat guys points like the Scheafer did.

99% of the commercials boat fish and with the advantage of taking multiple fish each day that skewes the whole deal in thier favor. Not fair.

I will enter again though I will not kill a mere 30 pounder for a pin, I didn't last year and won't now, 50 plus to over 60 maybe. ( I should be so lucky) I could use a new truck.

That is all, you may continue the debate.

Back Beach · 01-12-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

What they need to do is have the tournament start earlier and go until November 1st, then they need to have a moratorium period that coincides with the MA. Commercial Season then start again and have a distinct division for surf and one for boat or give the surf guys two points for every one of the boat guys points like the Scheafer did.

Good suggestion for the point system. I disagree with people's argument versus the comms because I see it this way: A mass commercial last year could take 95 fish a week legally, but not all at once. It went 5-0-30-30-30-0-0 for the week. If a person weighs a fish Sunday, they are all done for the week. Who is to say the next day you won't take a larger fish and be kicking yourself? I would say at most you only have the "advantage" for one day if you are commercial. Plus, remember, Rhody has a commercial season too, but the season is not well defined as far as dates go. It has a start date, but often times they reopen the season later in the year if there is quota space left. This means you could have staggered commercial seasons, which could impact the entire time frame of the tourney. Here's my final take and I'm leaving this thread for dead.

1. Make the point system more equitable for surf versus boat.
2. Lengthen the tourney from May 1 to at least mid October.
3. Don't fret over the commercials; I would rather beat them out on their own field anyways. Their advantage is negligible at best.
4. The more high liners in the tourney, the better. It gives the tournament more merit and prestige, which was what the schaeffer tourney had, meaning it meant something to win it.

Mr. Sandman · 01-12-2007, 01:00 PM

edited out to keep world peace

Back Beach · 01-12-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Back Beach...

Unfort'ly that is not the way it actually worked. Slips had to be turned in only once per week. Slips would get held all week and the largest fish of the week would get sent in. They were able to use the entire weeks catch and select the largest fish.

Just when I thought I was out, you pulled me back in.

If guys are doing that its not necessarily a commercial fishing issue, but an ethical one. Judging by a lot of your responses, you must have witnessed much of this first hand. I remember you making the same points during the contest and they are valid, no doubt. I'm not sure I would implicate everyone who holds a license under those auspices though. If what you are claiming is true, then the guys involved abused the system pretty badly, IMO. There's nothing that says a rec guy couldn't do the same thing though, only it would be a 14 fish per week cull instead of 95, provided both parties produced the maximum allowable take of fish. With either case,its wrong.

Canalman · 01-12-2007, 01:38 PM

My big problem with it is the hassle along with the needless killing of trophy fish. I entered... caught 8 confirmed fish over 30# let all but one go and didn't even enter that fish. I just don't care enough about it. C&R I would do but senseless killing brings us right back to 1960. I'd kinda like to see no one enter and see how they change the rules to get us back.

-Dave

Mr. Sandman · 01-12-2007, 01:41 PM

sorry

over and out!!

inTHERAPY · 01-12-2007, 01:39 PM

[QUOTE=Mr. Sandman;450240]Back Beach...

Unfort'ly that is not the way it actually worked. Slips had to be turned in only once per week. Slips would get held all week and the largest fish of the week would get sent in. They were able to use the entire weeks catch and select the largest fish.

That is a question of ethics. Cheaters always cheat. It is not only a matter of ethics for the fisherman but also with regards to the weigh station for holding the slip and swapping it out. You speak of this happening like you know for sure. If you know of this for a fact, call them out. Tell OTW and tell us who!

Back Beach · 01-12-2007, 01:47 PM

C & R would be a complete joke. With the number of unsubstantiated claims I hear every year, it would be recipe for disaster. A dead fish on the scale is the only way to truly confirm a catch, IMO. Don't even get me going on this one.

If we took all of the claims people made each year and actually confirmed them with a scale, there would be a lot of disappointed fishermen and shatterd egos.

Mike P · 01-12-2007, 02:00 PM

[QUOTE=inTHERAPY;450253]

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Back Beach...

Unfort'ly that is not the way it actually worked. Slips had to be turned in only once per week. Slips would get held all week and the largest fish of the week would get sent in. They were able to use the entire weeks catch and select the largest fish.

That is a question of ethics. Cheaters always cheat. It is not only a matter of ethics for the fisherman but also with regards to the weigh station for holding the slip and swapping it out. You speak of this happening like you know for sure. If you know of this for a fact, call them out. Tell OTW and tell us who!

There's an easy way to stop that. Either you don't allow an official weigh-in station that's also sponsoring a club to weigh its own members' fish, or you sequentially number the weigh-in slips and make the station account for all of the "missing" slips

In other words, 3 copies of every weigh-in slip, sequentially numbered. One slip to the angler, one to OTW and the weigh-in station keeps the originals. The station has to send in the originals at the end, and they're compared to the slips received by OTW.

Goose · 01-12-2007, 09:43 AM

I like the competiveness that the striper cup draws. If I fish it might as well be for S-B but the real reason I'm in is personel satisfaction. After last years experience fish under 40# doesn't do much if your after say....angler of the year or biggest fish. If I enter won't weigh fish under 40#, not like I catch alot anyway but thats what I like about the Striper Cup...its another incentive to target cows which in turn will make me a better fishermen and closer to my personel goals.
It seems to me there is a few people that think they're saving the planet by constantly reminding about the whole ''kill thing'', you could be more effective by standing ouside fish houses with a peta sign instead, your just a yuppie gene away. Are they spending that same time pushing to change laws? I wonder.

fishonnelsons · 01-12-2007, 09:59 AM

Great point about the commercial guys when "in season" Flap - to cull through 30 fish 3x a week versus the regular Joe is a big advantage for them.

Agree with the minimum pound entry thought, as well as extending the dates for the tourney. When I saw the end-date of the tourney and when they were having the Beer Blast, I couldn't understand it as ALOT of fish are caught thru Oct. and into November, depending on location. Maybe they thought it would be unfair to more northern fisherman - Maine - if they left it open til Nov.1 or so as there season normally ends before that?

Rockfish9 · 01-12-2007, 10:02 AM

I fished the schafer tourney back in the day... I was younger then, back then all my fish were sold...Now I look at things differently, through older, wiser eyes... but.. to each their own....Everyone that fishes bass should experience the feel of a tourney at least once.

I havent knowingly killed a bass in 10 years now, doubt I ever will again, money and competition takes away from the thing I love more than anything else in the world....