22 dead kids

[spence]

Originally Posted by Tinman

I guess we are a little too easy with the student visas.

Actually it's the other way around. Tighter post 9/11 restrictions are keeping a lot of talent overseas.

It's pretty revolting to see this tragic incident used for emotional political statements before the blood is even dry. Sure, guns don't kill people, but there's a time and a place for that debate.

-spence

[Diamond Tackle]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it's the other way around. Tighter post 9/11 restrictions are keeping a lot of talent overseas.
-spence

"Talent", Perhaps, "Crazy" obviously NOT. Maybe we need to screen people differently and not worry about offending non citizens by profiling. I just wonder if there is a history of mental illness here with this kid. I wonder.
The facts will speak for themselves.
and btw, how and when we DISCUSS this is also part of another one of our rights, remember the 1st amendment? No political gain, just a real tragedy, and I think there are ways to prevent this from happening again, at least to this degree.

[spence]

I'd wager no amount of profiling or VISA restrictions would have stopped this...unless the nutcase had a crimininal record.

-spence

[bart]

yeah a bunch of drunk college kids carrying around concealed weapons is a good idea. get real

what a horrible, horrible tragedy...

[striperondafly]

Originally Posted by bart

yeah a bunch of drunk college kids carrying around concealed weapons is a good idea. get real

what a horrible, horrible tragedy...

I was waiting for someone to say that. I'm pro gun - but that is ridiculos

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by bart

yeah a bunch of drunk college kids carrying around concealed weapons is a good idea. get real

what a horrible, horrible tragedy...

I was thinking of if even just one proffessor had the right to carry, maybe it would not have escalated.

the whole thing is sad

the more screwed up this world gets, the more these things will happen unfortunately.

[JohnR]

One or two professors on campus wouldn't make much difference and a student gun-free dorm makes a little sense (guns & alcohol?? - bad mix). BUT campus security should be armed and perhaps a better response system in place. Horse is out of the barn unfortunately...

[fishpoopoo]

what is the minimum military enlistment age in the U.S. and the U.K.?

Oh, you mean we can't TRUST 17/18 year-olds to handle weapons of mass destruction and defend our country?

I understand the discomfort factor involved with armed college students. But then we should raise the minimum age for cops and soldiers to 21, right?

btw, the minimum age for a valid resident or non-resident concealed handgun permit to be issued in VA is 21.

there is no info out yet...but my gut tells me that the shooter did not have a concealed carry permit. anyways, he was wearing a tactical vest, so it was obvious (at least to the trained eye) that he was armed.

the shooter killed 2 people in a dorm ... and then two hours later popped into a classroom and killed 30 more like fish in a barrel.

again, if there was just ONE person in that classroom who could have fired back (a professor, a maintenance man, if not another 21 year old licensed student), there might have been a different ending here.

[Raven]

of this Tradgedy

but after just reading that.... ben

i'm dying to see the movie now...
where everyone is talking in class
and in busts this shooter a-hole
threatening to shoot everybody
and about six students pull their pistols
and blow that piece of $hit away....
Blam blam blam blam blam blam DONE!

[fishpoopoo]

ATF just grilled the dealer for 3 hours.

Guy shot up the school with a Glock 19 and a Walter P-22, purchased 35 days ago. The s/n was allegedly ground off the Glock, but he had the receipt for the gun in his pocket.

shooter's last name is reportedly Cho. That pegs him as a Korean. Bastard.